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    #2342
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,155 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Tell that to Steve Jobs.

    A fairly obvious exception, but we know richer people live longer than poorer people. The top 10% live 10 years longer than the bottom 10% in Ireland.


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    #2343
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Tell that to Steve Jobs.

    ??
    Surely you will not deny that a richer a country is, the better the health of its citizens overall

    You misunderstood my point - was it on purpose or just a mishap?
    Only you will ever know


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    #2344
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Tell that to Steve Jobs.

    I didn't realise he was so young when he died till now


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    #2345
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,545 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    ??
    Surely you will not deny that a richer a country is, the better the health of its citizens overall

    You misunderstood my point - was it on purpose or just a mishap?
    Only you will ever know

    America is the richest nation on the planet.

    America is one of the most affected countries by Covid.

    It certainly should mean that more money means better health, makes Trump look even worse based on your own logic.


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    #2346
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,473 ✭✭✭Field east


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    A fairly obvious exception, but we know richer people live longer than poorer people. The top 10% live 10 years longer than the bottom 10% in Ireland.

    Anyone any idea re the following. Of the top 10% , do the top 1% love longer than the next 9%?
    Also, how much longer do the top 10% live when compared to the bottom 10%. Researchers, .org with agendas, etc, etc, love these type of comparisons but fail to point out that the difference is quiet often insignificant


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    #2347
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    America is the richest nation on the planet.

    America is one of the most affected countries by Covid.

    It certainly should mean that more money means better health, makes Trump look even worse based on your own logic.

    America is not per capita one of the worse affected also it is hardly surprising Europe and North America are higher on the list given most of other nations refuse to give honest stats

    Based on you logic you need to stop linking every bad thing that happens back to trump
    It’s beneath you and leads to any valid criticisms you have of trump not being taken seriously


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    #2348
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,545 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    America is not per capita one of the worse affected also it is hardly surprising Europe and North America are higher on the list given most of other nations refuse to give honest stats

    Based on you logic you need to stop linking every bad thing that happens back to trump
    It’s beneath you and leads to any valid criticisms you have of trump not being taken seriously

    Trump is POTUS. Are you aware of that? The buck stops with him. I understand it is inconvenient for you, but he himself says that he is in charge, unless of course he takes no responsibility.

    You made the claim, which I agree with in theory, that having more money should lead to better health outcomes.

    Given that, why is the US anywhere near the top impacted countries? Your argument would suggest, given their resources, that they shouldn't be.

    We know countries like Italy and the UK have badly handled the situation, but you seem to want to excuse Trump from the US outcomes.

    Why? What reason do you think that Trump should be given a free pass? Do you really think that Trump couldn't have done anything differently?


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    #2349
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,335 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    i just hope the numbers show that the destruction of the worlds economy was justifiable. that would be easier for our societies to accept, because if the numbers of deaths from previous years are not drastically different to this years, yes the decision makers will be held accountable but also the cult like followers of the lockdowns will have to live with their own demons.
    i hope its the former not the latter. i think it will take years for societies to heal if all this has been is hysteria. millions of jobs gone forever and millions of people left in poverty.
    the handling of this virus if it turns out to have been over zealous could be what drives more countries to the extreme right. europe, south america and parts of asia have serious form on right wing ideology.
    these lock downs cannot turn out to have been for nothing - i honestly believe that would be the worst outcome possible.
    Seriously there are so many things wrong with this post I don’t know where to start

    You’re hoping that lots of people will die to prove that our actions aimed at preventing lots of people from dying weren’t in vain


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    #2350
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You dont hide bodies, you could just "reclassify" them as some other cause of death.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/20/florida-scientist-dr-rebekah-jones-fired-refusing-change-covid-19-data-reopen-plan

    You can't have it both ways. They are reclassify gunshot and car crash victims as Covid deaths even though it was of no proximite cause.

    I've posted earlier that person wasn't a "Dr" or a scientist. She had no background in biology, public health or epidemiology. She was a website developer in the second year of a PhD in geography who was convicted of multiple felonies jn the last few years. Chief amongst those was setting up a website to sexually harrass her ex boyfriend. This is one of the reasons she was fired.
    The laziness of the media to not even mention these points is incredible.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syracuse.com/coronavirus/2020/05/florida-gov-says-he-fired-su-grad-for-cyberstalking-not-coronavirus-data-allegations.html%3foutputType=amp


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    #2351
    Akrasia
    Registered Users Posts: 22,335 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    riffmongous wrote: »
    What if someone who had a gunshot wound caught covid in hospital and the extra stress causes them to die when they would have recovered otherwise?

    Gun Sales are at all time record levels due to the pandemic
    Undoubtedly some gun deaths are Covid related even if the person never got infected

    I don’t know how this is even possible tbh, there were already more guns than people in the US, and it’s not like they have expiry dates on them...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/%3FoutputType%3Damp


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    #2352
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Seriously there are so many things wrong with this post I don’t know where to start

    You’re hoping that lots of people will die to prove that our actions aimed at preventing lots of people from dying weren’t in vain

    A year's worth of suicide attempts in the last 4 weeks. More people dying from suicide than covid in a California county.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7news.com/amp/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/

    And that's only at the moment. When the US is plunged into a massive recession due to the continued lockdown these numbers will rise and rise.


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    #2353
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    You dont hide bodies, you could just "reclassify" them as some other cause of death.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/20/florida-scientist-dr-rebekah-jones-fired-refusing-change-covid-19-data-reopen-plan

    She's not a doctor or a scientist! If you were convicted of sexually harrassing an ex by setting up a website to do so would it not be grounds for losing your job? Especially when you work as a website developer?


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    #2354
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Americans now react to every "crisis" by turning to God and guns. They are basically third world inside their own heads.


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    #2355
    silverharp
    Registered Users Posts: 17,852 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    jibber5000 wrote: »
    She's not a doctor or a scientist! If you were convicted of sexually harrassing an ex by setting up a website to do so would it not be grounds for losing your job? Especially when you work as a website developer?

    Scott Adams has been running with the idea that people in the US are watching 2 movies on the same screen. Stories like this would seem to be examples of this.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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    #2356
    [Deleted User]
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Gun Sales are at all time record levels due to the pandemic
    Undoubtedly some gun deaths are Covid related even if the person never got infected

    I don’t know how this is even possible tbh, there were already more guns than people in the US, and it’s not like they have expiry dates on them...

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/there-are-more-guns-than-people-in-the-united-states-according-to-a-new-study-of-global-firearm-ownership/%3FoutputType%3Damp

    Are you advocating that some gun deaths should be added to the covid toll because they may not have bought the gun if it hadn't been for the pandemic?

    I'm hoping I read you wrong.


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    #2357
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    Exactly as I said.
    Up the ante
    It’s just beginning

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0523/1140157-us-talks-on-holding-first-nuclear-test/


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    #2358
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    Exactly as I said.
    Up the ante
    It’s just beginning

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0523/1140157-us-talks-on-holding-first-nuclear-test/

    This is the equivalent of Kim Jong Un firing missiles into the sea. They won't do a nuke test, it's just an out there headline to take the heat off Trump for other things. As some would call it ... a nothingburger.


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    #2359
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    This is the equivalent of Kim Jong Un firing missiles into the sea. They won't do a nuke test, it's just an out there headline to take the heat off Trump for other things. As some would call it ... a nothingburger.

    That’s your opinion man


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    #2360
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    That’s your opinion man

    Can you name one reason why Trump/America would start nuke tests?

    This is just another Republican "look over there" moment.


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    #2361
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    It's a sad day when people living in the west believe the Chinese and Russians over the. United States of America. The leader of the free western world.

    If war broke out the Americans would once again be expected to save us all.

    The vaccine for the virus will come from the Us. You will all line up and take it.

    Without Us investment in Ireland paying billions to the exchequer imagine the state this country would be in.

    Eaten bread is soon forgotten


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    #2362
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Can you name one reason why Trump/America would start nuke tests?

    This is just another Republican "look over there" moment.

    Possibly of a trilateral nuclear weapons deal. Us/Russia/China.

    Might just save us all. Go out and enjoy those western freedoms.


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    #2363
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,172 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Is that in response to any particular post or what??


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    #2364
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,624 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    Exactly as I said.
    Up the ante
    It’s just beginning

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0523/1140157-us-talks-on-holding-first-nuclear-test/

    "Up the ante" to what exactly? You were criticising Obama for being responsible for thousands of deaths but you're okay with Trump using nuclear weapons? If you think this makes Trump looks strong then it's actually the opposite. He and the US are a laughing stock right now and some bull**** story about nuclear testing isn't going to change that.


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    #2365
    joe40
    Registered Users Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Possibly of a trilateral nuclear weapons deal. Us/Russia/China.

    Might just save us all. Go out and enjoy those western freedoms.

    Our western freedoms aren't dependant on America. A black man in America gunned down while out for a run and his killer's aren't charged until a video appears.
    Doesn't seem like freedom for everyone in America.

    By the way this "leader of the free world nonsense" is just an outdated American slogan. No basis in reality.


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    #2366
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's a sad day when people living in the west believe the Chinese and Russians over the. United States of America. The leader of the free western world.

    If war broke out the Americans would once again be expected to save us all.

    The vaccine for the virus will come from the Us. You will all line up and take it.

    Without Us investment in Ireland paying billions to the exchequer imagine the state this country would be in.

    Eaten bread is soon forgotten

    If war breaks out it will more than likely because of something stupid Trump/The US does.


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    #2367
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    Possibly of a trilateral nuclear weapons deal. Us/Russia/China.

    Might just save us all. Go out and enjoy those western freedoms.

    There have been nuke weapons deals for decades, I grew up in the 70's/80's when the risk of nuclear war was a real thing.


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    #2368
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    There have been nuke weapons deals for decades, I grew up in the 70's/80's when the risk of nuclear war was a real thing.

    No you didn't. Too much black and white rte telling you how to think.

    It's a different world now. The Us is trying to hold onto its world leader status. The Chinese are rapidly gaining ground and influence. Their belt and road initiative will see them gain power and influence around the planet.

    The same Chinese that think nothing of massacring its own citizens, social scores, media censorship, work camps etc.
    Xi Jinping making himself leader for life.


    People need to remember which side they are on


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    #2369
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,049 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    joe40 wrote: »

    By the way this "leader of the free world nonsense" is just an outdated American slogan. No basis in reality.

    It may have had some basis.

    But Trump’s election really has pissed all over that idea..


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    #2370
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    No you didn't. Too much black and white rte telling you how to think.


    What the hell are you on about? Are you saying I am wrong about when I grew up? :confused:
    It's a different world now. The Us is trying to hold onto its world leader status. The Chinese are rapidly gaining ground and influence. Their belt and road initiative will see them gain power and influence around the planet.

    The same Chinese that think nothing of massacring its own citizens, social scores, media censorship, work camps etc.
    Xi Jinping making himself leader for life.


    People need to remember which side they are on

    It is a different world because of the treaties algarve Benin place for decades, Trump wants to tear them up in the hope he can make new ones.


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    #2371
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,624 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    No you didn't. Too much black and white rte telling you how to think.

    It's a different world now. The Us is trying to hold onto its world leader status. The Chinese are rapidly gaining ground and influence. Their belt and road initiative will see them gain power and influence around the planet.

    The same Chinese that think nothing of massacring its own citizens, social scores, media censorship, work camps etc.
    Xi Jinping making himself leader for life.


    People need to remember which side they are on

    It's amazing how many foreigners go to China to work and live and have positive experiences. Thankfully not everyone is as narrow minded as you.


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