Masks

weldoninhio wrote: »

Jesus wept. Some people just love projecting their fears onto other people. It’s ridiculous. The virus is currently at about R0.4-R0.6 in Ireland according to failed journalism student Harris. Yet people are freaking out about people not wearing masks. Grow up and take a long hard look at yourself.



The virus is pretty much gone from the community in Ireland.

“ Modelling data published by the Department of Health suggests that at the moment, the spread of the virus in the community is substantially under control.”

Denmark has reopened and scientists can’t explain how it hasn’t spiked again.

“A second wave of the new coronavirus is unlikely in Denmark as the reproduction rate has stayed below a key threshold since restrictions were eased a month ago, a top health expert said Tuesday. The reproduction rate has fallen from 1.0 at the end of April to 0.7 in the first week in May, according to the state-run infectious disease prevention agency SSI, the nation's top institute of its kind.“

You're wrong. Let's check in back in August. We will see who was right.

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’ve read your rebuttal of the facts I’ve stated and backed up. I don’t believe you know what you are talking about.

Some nonsense on R naught from HSE and DoH? The same institutions who totally mismanaged the situation?

1600 dead, 25k cases, 35 billion bill, 20% unemployment. On a f*ucking island with low population density.

How do you prevent R0 not going up again?

With no masks
With reopened economy
With no restrictions on international travel
With no control, testing and quarantine of incoming people
With no fecking plan!

IF the R nought value goes to 1.6 we are locked down again.

If it goes to 1.8 we are super fúcked.

We should start seeing indicators of phase 1 at the end of this month we won't know if we are super fúcked until the end of June / start of July.

I am paraphrasing Phil Nolan at today's press conference, his language was much worse.

So effectively 1.5 or below and we can function.

Arrival wrote: »

Think I saw some mention the other day that unemployment is >30% now. Still, going from <5% to >20% in a matter of weeks, due to their **** planning and leadership, is abysmal. We really shouldn't be doing so badly from this, so many advantages over the rest of Europe as an island off to the West and here we are

Very strict, long and destructive lockdown.
Also seriously curtailed civil liberties. Effectively jailed at home. Based on the gov plans on gov.ie we will have been banned from travelling more than 20 km for 4 months (until end of July).

And the result? See attached. Only large, high density countries are worse. Death per capita at the bottom of the league and similar to the Netherlands and Sweden who did - nothing. And these countries are not islands. Netherlands has the highest population density in Europe.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just on Greece there is no mandatory tests, there will be free entry. The test aspect was dropped yesterday after EU advice regarding the reopening of the country.
Certain nationalities will be allowed in first followed 2 weeks later by the remainder.

Why did they drop it?

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’ve read your rebuttal of the facts I’ve stated and backed up. I don’t believe you know what you are talking about.

Yeah, right the virus is gone from Ireland. And the ECDC are idiots too.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/news/not-if-but-when-european-health-boss-warns-of-virus-second-wave/

“The virus is around us, circulating much more than January or February,” Andrea Ammon, director of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, was quoted as saying in an interview.

As I said, with government this competent a second spike is inevitable. They mismanaged the first, lost all the trumps (island, low population, low density) and ended up in the bottom of the league in death per capita and cases per capita.

How many people wear masks out of reference? How is that government measure going?

I was in Lidl the other day, and I saw 5-6 masks including myself. The place was packed, distancing not observed, people very aggressive, bumping into me.

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh sure, though the Asian nations are more used to rapid responses after SARS and various flu strains and tend to have very top down government and much more social and community compliance and are more likely to wear face masks anyway, so that makes a big difference. If we come closer to home and European and were to take the Czech numbers because they were among the most "Asian" in their response, adjusting for population we should be at around 150 dead. So essentially through our authorities bumbling we've lost ten times more people what we should have. That's pretty stark.

The staggering thing about the Czech vs Irish response is the involvement of the public.

In Czechia, the government was very reluctant back at the beginning of March, but the public, media, experts & academia were very strongly calling for masks and other tough measures (such as testing/quarantining incoming people, closing borders) and effectively forced the government to act quickly. The government would dither otherwise and as modelling shows even 2-3 weeks would make a huge difference on the outcome.

Whereas in Ireland, the government dithered and dithered, few people got annoyed, nothing happened, the media just sang praises of the government and people went "ah sure 'tis grand" and "them government lads are doing great job", and in the process the media & government managed to convince large portion of the population that one of critical measures i.e. "masks" are bad, useless and even harmful.

The outcome - Irish results bottom of the league, Czech results are the top of the league. The Czechs are pretty much back to normal bar masks indoors. But we won't be able to travel more than 20 kms from home until the end of July!

Boggles wrote: »

Tourism Minister I think.

2nd oldest population in Europe along side a health care system that has been stripped back extensively by austerity is not a great mix.

It's the reason they actually did "lockdown" and issued 60,000 fines for breaches of it.

Personally don't see the problem with swift mandatory testing, the BBC did a piece on it the other night where a reporter went through the process entering Greece, it was grand.

They managed it surprisingly very well. Very quick and tough response. And the numbers are fantastic.

So maybe they won't mandate testing of all tourists, but enact something else along similar lines.

Bob24 wrote: »

I noticed the price for 50 surgical masks at this pharmacy dropped from 45 euros earlier this week to 35 euros today (around 2-3 weeks ago it was 55 euros for the same box - those old prices of 55 and 45 can still be seen on the webpage).

Looks like supply is starting to meet demand.

Or the demand has dropped...

McGiver wrote: »

The staggering thing about the Czech vs Irish response is the involvement of the public.

In Czechia, the government was very reluctant back at the beginning of March, but the public, media, experts & academia were very strongly calling for masks and other tough measures (such as testing/quarantining incoming people, closing borders) and effectively forced the government to act quickly. The government would dither otherwise and as modelling shows even 2-3 weeks would make a huge difference on the outcome.

Whereas in Ireland, the government dithered and dithered, few people got annoyed, nothing happened, the media just sang praises of the government and people went "ah sure 'tis grand" and "them government lads are doing great job", and in the process the media & government managed to convince large portion of the population that one of critical measures i.e. "masks" are bad, useless and even harmful.

The outcome - Irish results bottom of the league, Czech results are the top of the league. The Czechs are pretty much back to normal bar masks indoors. But we won't be able to travel more than 20 kms from home until the end of July!

The difference between the Czechs and Ireland could just come down to them not going on skiing holidays to Italy or trips to Cheltenham.

Markomlm wrote: »

It's people's personal choice not to wear a mask, stop judging those who do not wish to.

It ought to have been made compulsory to wear them here from the very beginning. Adequate supplies could have been sourced and made available, free of charge, to the entire population. Now, we are being "advised" to use them and pay inflated prices for the privilege. Everything about the government's management of this crisis has been reactionary rather than proactive.