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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #7022
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Onesea wrote: »
    The continent of Africa showing 3k deaths in total.

    How come outbreaks seem staggered between say the UK and Brazil?

    I dont know, why do you think? You often have interesting thoughts on these things.


  • #7023
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Of the top 20 countries with the most new cases today, just two are European, France and Belarus. Pandemic has really moved out of Europe


  • #7024
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,579 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Of the top 20 countries with the most new cases today, just two are European, France and Belarus. Pandemic has really moved out of Europe


    Not out of UK though. Too early for what they are doing.



    But maybe it's looking like virus has run its course. That's how it's looking, as some countries are taking the piss with their social distancing yet cases are still dropping fast.


  • #7025
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Not out of UK though. Too early for what they are doing.

    But maybe it's looking like virus has run its course. That's how it's looking, as some countries are taking the piss with their social distancing yet cases are still dropping fast.

    Let's hope so then we can get back to normal life and vilifying China or at the very least think twice about where you are buying stuff from or at the very very least countries impose tariffs on Chinese imports to pay for the sh*t storm that has cost us far too many lives and many billions.
    Maybe it will make them think twice about covering up outbreaks again (not for the first time)


  • #7026
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Mexico getting hammered along with South America now. 424 deaths today there


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  • #7027
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    French military personnel taking part in games in Wuhan ( China) in October.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-army-returned-wuhan-military-21988912

    It doesn't say it here, but it's interesting how a lab in Wuhan was advertising for a scientist to work with them and coronaviruses last October as well.


  • #7028
    SteelyDanJalapeno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,390 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    Why is our death rate so high in comparison to other similar sized countries and greater?

    Ireland pop : 5m, deaths : 1571
    Norway pop: 5.5m, deaths : 234
    Finland pop : 5.5m, deaths : 304
    Slovakia pop : 5.5m, deaths : 28
    Singapore pop : 5.8m, deaths : 22
    Bulgaria pop : 7m, deaths : 120
    Israel pop : 8.6m, deaths : 279
    Serbia pop : 8.7m, deaths : 235
    Austria pop : 9m, deaths : 633
    Belarus pop : 9.5m, deaths : 179
    Hungary pop : 9.6m, deaths : 473
    Portugal pop : 10.2m, deaths : 1263
    Greece pop : 10.5m, deaths : 166
    Czech pop : 10.6m, deaths : 304
    Romania pop : 19m, deaths : 1147
    Australia pop : 25m, deaths : 100
    Poland pop : 37m, deaths : 962
    Ukraine pop : 43m, deaths : 564


  • #7029
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    wakka12 wrote: »
    There is evidence, R0 has risen above 1 again in both Czech Republic and Austria. A second wave is almost inevitable especially ina country like Ireland with no culture of face mask wearing, but that term is extremely dramatic, cases will simply increase,perhaps by a lot, but very likely we will be able to keep them below a level that would be a huge burden for hospitals

    I wear my mask and gloves in the car just so as many people as possible can see me setting a good example when I’m out and about doing and getting essential stuff. You need to be the change you want to see in the world. That said a lot of people will need the firm hand of the law on their back to shove them in the right direction. As it stands masks are not compulsory and they need not be.


  • #7030
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »
    Why is our death rate so high in comparison to other similar sized countries and greater?

    Ireland pop : 5m, deaths : 1571
    Norway pop: 5.5m, deaths : 234
    Finland pop : 5.5m, deaths : 304
    Slovakia pop : 5.5m, deaths : 28
    Singapore pop : 5.8m, deaths : 22
    Bulgaria pop : 7m, deaths : 120
    Israel pop : 8.6m, deaths : 279
    Serbia pop : 8.7m, deaths : 235
    Austria pop : 9m, deaths : 633
    Belarus pop : 9.5m, deaths : 179
    Hungary pop : 9.6m, deaths : 473
    Portugal pop : 10.2m, deaths : 1263
    Greece pop : 10.5m, deaths : 166
    Czech pop : 10.6m, deaths : 304
    Romania pop : 19m, deaths : 1147
    Australia pop : 25m, deaths : 100
    Poland pop : 37m, deaths : 962
    Ukraine pop : 43m, deaths : 564

    Other countries are probably not counting probable deaths.


  • #7031
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »
    Why is our death rate so high in comparison to other similar sized countries and greater?

    Ireland pop : 5m, deaths : 1571
    Norway pop: 5.5m, deaths : 234
    Finland pop : 5.5m, deaths : 304
    Slovakia pop : 5.5m, deaths : 28
    Singapore pop : 5.8m, deaths : 22
    Bulgaria pop : 7m, deaths : 120
    Israel pop : 8.6m, deaths : 279
    Serbia pop : 8.7m, deaths : 235
    Austria pop : 9m, deaths : 633
    Belarus pop : 9.5m, deaths : 179
    Hungary pop : 9.6m, deaths : 473
    Portugal pop : 10.2m, deaths : 1263
    Greece pop : 10.5m, deaths : 166
    Czech pop : 10.6m, deaths : 304
    Romania pop : 19m, deaths : 1147
    Australia pop : 25m, deaths : 100
    Poland pop : 37m, deaths : 962
    Ukraine pop : 43m, deaths : 564

    Not every country is recording deaths in the same way. We are recording deaths and suspect deaths comprehensively. For example: some countries only count deaths that have occurred in an acute hospital setting, not a nursing home/LTC facility or anywhere else. We scrape all deaths that mention COVID on the death cert, essentially.


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  • #7032
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,230 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Arghus wrote: »
    Obviously that figure is total Bullshyte.

    Maybe Trump was right and the cases simply disappear as if by a miracle?

    (Or else they’re just lying)

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #7033
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    intersting

    https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1263148644556996610

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7034
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Did anyone see those photos from numerous British ( English ) beaches on Wednesday. Jam packed.

    The Gardai where called to several bathing spots in Dublin yesterday to disperse crowds. People are at their very most basic selfish and greedy.


  • #7035
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    SteelyDanJalapeno wrote: »
    Why is our death rate so high in comparison to other similar sized countries and greater?

    Ireland pop : 5m, deaths : 1571
    Norway pop: 5.5m, deaths : 234
    Finland pop : 5.5m, deaths : 304
    Slovakia pop : 5.5m, deaths : 28
    Singapore pop : 5.8m, deaths : 22
    Bulgaria pop : 7m, deaths : 120
    Israel pop : 8.6m, deaths : 279
    Serbia pop : 8.7m, deaths : 235
    Austria pop : 9m, deaths : 633
    Belarus pop : 9.5m, deaths : 179
    Hungary pop : 9.6m, deaths : 473
    Portugal pop : 10.2m, deaths : 1263
    Greece pop : 10.5m, deaths : 166
    Czech pop : 10.6m, deaths : 304
    Romania pop : 19m, deaths : 1147
    Australia pop : 25m, deaths : 100
    Poland pop : 37m, deaths : 962
    Ukraine pop : 43m, deaths : 564

    As people said, different recording methods etc.

    Differing places also have different outcomes, Massachusetts, near same population as all 9f Ireland has a fatality rate that would give 50k dead here fir herd immunity of 60%. That's given the antibody testing it has done.


  • #7036
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Other countries are probably not counting probable deaths.

    Source?


  • #7037
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »
    The Gardai where called to several bathing spots in Dublin yesterday to disperse crowds. People are at their very most basic selfish and greedy.

    Greedy for the Irish sea, okay

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7038
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    I wear my mask and gloves in the car just so as many people as possible can see me setting a good example when I’m out and about doing and getting essential stuff. You need to be the change you want to see in the world. That said a lot of people will need the firm hand of the law on their back to shove them in the right direction. As it stands masks are not compulsory and they need not be.

    Ah, you are one of those people


  • #7039
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Ce he sin wrote: »
    I'm guessing you're really impressed by the Brazilian model then?
    There is this whole digging of mass graves thing going on there, but no making of an omelette without the breaking of a few eggs eh?

    8500 deaths,, isn't that the same surgesas other large countries over these past few months. The numbers will tapper off in a few weeks. And let's not forget the details of who is effected by this


  • #7040
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Danzy wrote: »
    As people said, different recording methods etc.

    Differing places also have different outcomes, Massachusetts, near same population as all 9f Ireland has a fatality rate that would give 50k dead here fir herd immunity of 60%. That's given the antibody testing it has done.

    Are you saying you read that 60% of people in Massachusetts have been infected by Covid 19? If so, I’d like to see the source for that, because it’s massively out of kilter with everywhere else.

    Edit: or maybe If you’re saying that Ireland had the same number of deaths as Mass, our infection rate - extrapolated from the death rate we do have - would have been 60%? I don’t think that calculation is valid.

    (I’m assuming by “herd immunity” you mean people infected).


  • #7041
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Is Mexico emerging as another hotspot? 424 deaths yesterday is a new record for them.


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  • #7042
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52737169
    A trial to see whether two anti-malarial drugs could prevent Covid-19 has begun in Brighton and Oxford.

    Chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine or a placebo will be given to more than 40,000 healthcare workers from Europe, Africa, Asia and South America.

    All the participants are staff who are in contact with Covid-19 patients.

    The media are really really really hoping this fails, just to write more hit pieces on Hitler.... I mean Trump ....


  • #7043
    [Deleted User]
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    Onesea wrote: »
    8500 deaths,, isn't that the same surgesas other large countries over these past few months. The numbers will tapper off in a few weeks. And let's not forget the details of who is effected by this

    18,500 and rising 900 a day.

    And who is affected by this...people.


  • #7044
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52737169



    The media are really really really hoping this fails, just to write more hit pieces on Hitler.... I mean Trump ....

    Is it being combined with Zinc? the idea is that the H opens up the cell wall to let the Zinc in which stops the virus replicating.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #7045
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52737169



    The media are really really really hoping this fails, just to write more hit pieces on Hitler.... I mean Trump ....

    Its failed in all scientific trials so far.


  • #7046
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Is Mexico emerging as another hotspot? 424 deaths yesterday is a new record for them.

    But I thought heat staved off the virus like you were saying yesterday?


  • #7047
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Are you saying you read that 60% of people in Massachusetts have been infected by Covid 19? If so, I’d like to see the source for that, because it’s massively out of kilter with everywhere else.

    Edit: or maybe If you’re saying that Ireland had the same number of deaths as Mass, our infection rate - extrapolated from the death rate we do have - would have been 60%? I don’t think that calculation is valid.

    (I’m assuming by “herd immunity” you mean people infected).

    Didn't 400k people test positive in one country so where in California. Santa Clara iirc


  • #7048
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52737169



    The media are really really really hoping this fails, just to write more hit pieces on Hitler.... I mean Trump ....

    Careful you don't cut yourself on all that edge.


  • #7049
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    18,500 and rising 900 a day.

    And who is affected by this...people.

    Did they take any measures to protect the old people and the ill? No. So they will have a few weeks of hight death rates amount certain groups of people and then it's finito.

    We have enough time behind us to see a trend happening. But for some reason many chose not to notice


  • #7050
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Let's all just remember, Brazil has a population of 209 million. And probebly alot of them living in not so glamorous housing developments. So when reporting such numbers of deaths let's not loose sight of relating factors. Check out the populations of the large cities alone.
    Millions alone should die from this in Brazil.


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  • #7051
    [Deleted User]
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    Onesea wrote: »
    Didn't 400k people test positive in one country so where in California. Santa Clara iirc

    No - of 3,300 people tested in Sant Clara, 4.16% were found to have antibodies - extrapolated to 80,000 people in a population of 1.9m. For Los Angeles county a similar study found the potential for 400,000 people to have had the virus - population 10 million, so not near 60%.
    They were in April, so likely higher now, however given cases in California have increased about 250% since the study, possibly only about 10%.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/23/coronavirus-antibody-studies-california-stanford


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