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"Everyday Racism"

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    #392
    Cordell
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    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    I couldn't care less what colour, race, religion or other a person is.

    Apparently this is considered racist now.


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    #393
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Rubberchikken wrote: »
    I couldn't care less what colour, race, religion or other a person is.

    CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!!!!!!!


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    #394
    Edgware
    Registered Users Posts: 5,875 ✭✭✭Edgware


    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    Can someone please explain why African immigrants are the only ones to do worse than local irish while European immigrants do better than local Irish?

    Is it genetic differences in the races or purely a lack of education?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/most-immigrants-doing-better-than-locals-but-africans-doing-worse-esri-1.3688697

    I would say that the children of African immigrants do far better than a lot of the children of Irish scrotes. The parents realise the opportunities Ireland offers and make sure their kids work hard at school.


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    #395
    Blueshoe
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    Edgware wrote: »
    I would say that the children of African immigrants do far better than a lot of the children of Irish scrotes. The parents realise the opportunities Ireland offers and make sure their kids work hard at school.

    In some cases yes. In others the adults live eternally on welfare and the new tradition is followed by their children.
    No different to our home grown alarm clock shy citizens


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    #396
    archer22
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    cryptocurrency wrote: »
    I think it was the CIA or some american agency but they said that pretty much all bar a few of the westerners who go to the Philippines are sex tourists.

    No all aren't sex tourists, its a very mixed array of types.
    There is a growing market of regular tourists male and female who go there for the Sun and beaches in resorts like Boracay...a lot of them are young Australians and also a lot of Russians.
    Another group are Americans who retire to the Philippines because their pensions and small savings can afford them the kind of life there that they could only dream about in America.
    Next group are westerners who marry Filipinas and move there to live with them, many of those guys are divorcees who consider Filipino women to be easier to get along with.
    Then there are a hell of a lot of ex soldiers and military contractors (mercenaries) who for some reason chose the Philippines as their home..in my opinion its probably because the "wild west" atmosphere of the Philippines suits their personalities.
    So certainly not all sex tourists, I would say Thailand gets a much higher ratio of those than the Philippines.


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    #397
    archer22
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    rgossip30 wrote: »
    You walk around any migrant slum areas in European or US cities ? The theme was about racism towards whites . I live in the Philippines at present I experience racism its more like they are jealous really . You can get assasinated if you have any conflict easily . You get used to it and learn to keep a low profile .

    Serious question, what kind of racism do you experience there?, I have lived there for long periods and my experience is totally the opposite.
    The only 'racism' I have experienced there is what might be termed "positive racism" in that I often get treated better than the locals.
    Like for instance when entering shopping malls where everybody gets searched but being white I generally just get waved through by the security guards.

    Unless you mean the occasional idiot you meet passing on the road who shouts "Hey Joe" I dont consider that racist, just ignorance, the people shouting it have little english and think its a greeting...although I have met many foreigners who do get annoyed by it.But I don't think there is any malice in it and the educated Filipinos never do it.


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    #398
    mr_fegelien
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    What about racism in dating? Do you think most Irish men/women are open to dating a black person? I know most people don't date outside their race but I read a thread back in 2010 on boards and from the looks of it, most didn't find fully blooded black Africans attractive, only biracial people.

    Does this mean that Africans who are dark skinned should use skin lightener to be more accepted in dating?


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    #399
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    rgossip30 wrote: »
    You walk around any migrant slum areas in European or US cities ? The theme was about racism towards whites . I live in the Philippines at present I experience racism its more like they are jealous really . You can get assasinated if you have any conflict easily . You get used to it and learn to keep a low profile .

    Yes that's true but its not a racial thing..you are just as likely or even more likely to be assassinated if you are a Filipino.
    Its part of what I referred to earlier as the "wild west atmosphere" of the place.


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    #400
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    archer22 wrote: »
    No all aren't sex tourists, its a very mixed array of types..

    Which matched my experience. I've been there three times to visit friends I'd met in China (There's a lot of Filipino English teachers.) There's a wide variety of tourism/activity going on.

    TBH that's the case with most Asian countries that have a established sex/prostitution culture. You wouldn't be saying that Japan was only visited by sex tourists, and yet, Japan has a very strong prostitution/escort/hostess industry.


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    #401
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    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    What about racism in dating? Do you think most Irish men/women are open to dating a black person? I know most people don't date outside their race but I read a thread back in 2010 on boards and from the looks of it, most didn't find fully blooded black Africans attractive, only biracial people.

    Does this mean that Africans who are dark skinned should use skin lightener to be more accepted in dating?

    Personal preference in dating/attraction is not a matter of racism. It's not something that someone decides on beforehand. Either the attraction is there or it's not.

    I live in Asia because I adore Asian women. Oh, I like the fact that the cultures I experience are drastically different to mine, and I do love the food... but Asian women (Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Vietnamese) just rock my boat. Is it racist that I prefer Asian women to White women? No. Because physical attraction is instinctive. We can add extra reasons such as stereotypical personalities, background culture, education etc, but it really boils down to whether you click or not.

    And I have dated African women. Incredibly beautiful but I didn't like the cultural background which heavily influenced their behavior and attitudes. Which is why I probably won't date another one. Preference isn't a matter of racism.

    Hate, fear, and disgust based on a persons race is racism. People/organisations (with a vested interest) really want to make the world far more complicated than it is... just as they want to make racism far more complicated than it should be. If they have their way, every decision, every action which doesn't favor a particular race will be considered racist. It's ridiculous.


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    #402
    CinemaGuy45
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    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    What about racism in dating? Do you think most Irish men/women are open to dating a black person? I know most people don't date outside their race but I read a thread back in 2010 on boards and from the looks of it, most didn't find fully blooded black Africans attractive, only biracial people.

    Does this mean that Africans who are dark skinned should use skin lightener to be more accepted in dating?

    People are free to hook up with who they choose.


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    #403
    mr_fegelien
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭mr_fegelien


    Deleted User wrote: »

    And I have dated African women. Incredibly beautiful but I didn't like the cultural background which heavily influenced their behavior and attitudes. Which is why I probably won't date another one. Preference isn't a matter of racism.

    .

    Interesting, I've heard this reiterated by Irish men before. They prefer black Irish (who are usually second generation) compared to African girls because of the cultural differences. What exactly do you mean by this?


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    #404
    Rodin
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    If a black woman straightens her hair isn't this also cultural appropriation? Just like if a white woman gets dreads? One rule for one...

    My opinion? Wear your hair whatever way you want, no matter your colour.
    And if how someone wears their hair offends you then a serious introspection is required.


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    #405
    Rodin
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    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    Interesting, I've heard this reiterated by Irish men before. They prefer black Irish (who are usually second generation) compared to African girls because of the cultural differences. What exactly do you mean by this?

    Some people just don't find others of a certain race attractive. That's ok. Judging their personality or worth because of their skin is something else entirely


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    #406
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    mr_fegelien wrote: »
    Interesting, I've heard this reiterated by Irish men before. They prefer black Irish (who are usually second generation) compared to African girls because of the cultural differences. What exactly do you mean by this?

    You said it. You expand on it. Why ask me to explain your points? Utterly bizarre logic.

    I already explained what I wrote.


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    #407
    hopalongcass
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Some people just don't find others of a certain race attractive. That's ok. Judging their personality or worth because of their skin is something else entirely

    Racism is way overblown imo it seems to exist more on boards than anywhere else, I have seen a few posts like this over the years get liked.

    People are free to date who they want and it's understandable to not want to date outside your culture because it can be difficult. But if someone says I don't find a whole race attractive it's alarm bells for me, because they are lying to either me or themselves and allowing prejudice slip into their thinking.

    All races are attractive we are the same species and we are attracted to all other human races given the right circumstances of meeting connecting with the right person from any race.

    So In short people are free to choose who they want but it's not ok to label a whole race unattractive to you it's the definition of racism and not OK imo. There is beauty in all races and to think otherwise is madness and anyone saying this needs to rethink things and leave their prejudices at the door.


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    #408
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    hopalongcass wrote: »
    Racism is way overblown imo it seems to exist more on boards than anywhere else, I have seen a few posts like this over the years get liked.

    People are free to date who they want and it's understandable to not want to date outside your culture because it can be difficult. But if someone says I don't find a whole race attractive it's alarm bells for me, because they are lying to either me or themselves and allowing prejudice slip into their thinking.

    All races are attractive we are the same species and we are attracted to all other human races given the right circumstances of meeting connecting with the right person from any race.

    So In short people are free to choose who they want but it's not ok to label a whole race unattractive to you it's the definition of racism and not OK imo. There is beauty in all races and to think otherwise is madness and anyone saying this needs to rethink things and leave their prejudices at the door.

    Have you ever been out to an Aboriginal compound in Oz? I have. And they are quite honestly the most unattractive people I have ever encountered. Quite often lovely people to talk to, but 'ugly as sin' to my eyes.

    My lack of attraction for them is not a matter of racism. I don't feel any degree of negativity/hostility towards them as a people, but based on my experience, I haven't seen any of them to be even remotely attractive. My lack of attraction for them won't cause me to discriminate against them, or feel that they are inferior in any way. Just as I don't find ginger haired women attractive... and since they're not a different race, it's acceptable to find them unattractive. Just as it's okay for some women not to be attracted to small men. Or being gay/lesbian/Bisexual. Why does race receive such a emphasis?

    In short people are free to choose who they want but. That but says it all. The rest is just window dressing.


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    #409
    hopalongcass
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Have you ever been out to an Aboriginal compound in Oz? I have. And they are quite honestly the most unattractive people I have ever encountered. Quite often lovely people to talk to, but 'ugly as sin' to my eyes.

    My lack of attraction for them is not a matter of racism. I don't feel any degree of negativity/hostility towards them as a people, but based on my experience, I haven't seen any of them to be even remotely attractive. My lack of attraction for them won't cause me to discriminate against them, or feel that they are inferior in any way. Just as I don't find ginger haired women attractive... and since they're not a different race, it's acceptable to find them unattractive. Just as it's okay for some women not to be attracted to small men. Or being gay/lesbian/Bisexual. Why does race receive such a emphasis?

    In short people are free to choose who they want but. That but says it all. The rest is just window dressing.

    I also said people are free to choose who they want,its a free world its how it should be.

    I am just merely pointing out to label a whole race without having met every single one of said race is prejudiced,based on previous experience with the ones you did meet.

    What if u married a beautiful blonde woman had kids with her and then she told you shes really a ginger and has been dyeing her hair what you gonna do?Its silly to generalise like this,if you meet every ginger on the planet then i might agree its not prejudice.

    Its a cliche but beauty is more than skin deep i mean often a persons beauty doesn't fully show unless you get to know them see all angles how they laugh how they smile how confident they can appear,so ruling out whole groups like this on simple things like being ginger or being a certain race is prejudiced didn't say i think anything should be done about it,i'm just saying that's what it looks like to me.


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    #410
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    hopalongcass wrote: »
    I also said people are free to choose who they want,its a free world its how it should be.

    Not when you expand the definition of racism to cover any interaction with regards to a particular race. A personal preference in terms of attraction is usually something that a person has, little to no, control over.
    I am just merely pointing out to label a whole race without having met every single one of said race is prejudiced,based on previous experience with the ones you did meet.

    I don't like seafood, but I haven't tasted every fish in the sea. Generalisations abound.
    What if u married a beautiful blonde woman had kids with her and then she told you shes really a ginger and has been dyeing her hair what you gonna do?Its silly to generalise like this,if you meet every ginger on the planet then i might agree its not prejudice.

    It's a silly example, since I'd have known her natural hair color through the experience of dating and living together before getting married. You missed the point of why the example was used.
    Its a cliche but beauty is more than skin deep i mean often a persons beauty doesn't fully show unless you get to know them see all angles how they laugh how they smile how confident they can appear,so ruling out whole groups like this on simple things like being ginger or being a certain race is prejudiced didn't say i think anything should be done about it,i'm just saying that's what it looks like to me.

    We're not talking about love here. We're not talking about marriage or any deep meaningful connection. We're talking about attraction. Physical attraction, generally happens on the subconscious level. It's an instinctive reaction to the presence of another person, based on your own unique triggers. It's not racist. It might be ignorant, but not racist.


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    #411
    2u2me
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    Blueshoe wrote: »
    In some cases yes. In others the adults live eternally on welfare and the new tradition is followed by their children.
    No different to our home grown alarm clock shy citizens

    It seems yes in most cases, at least in the US.
    The Pew Research surveys also find that second-generation Hispanics and Asian Americans place more importance than does the general public on hard work and career success.
    [...]
    Adults in the second generation are doing better than those in the first generation in median household income ($58,000 versus $46,000); college degrees (36% versus 29%); and homeownership (64% versus 51%). They are less likely to be in poverty (11% versus 18%) and less likely to have not finished high school (10% versus 28%). Most of these favorable comparisons hold up not just in the aggregate but also within each racial/ethnic subgroup (e.g., second-generation Hispanics do better than first-generation Hispanics; second-generation whites do better than first-generation whites, and so on).

    In Ireland an OECD report published in 2009 estimated that only about 1% of children of school going age in Ireland were children of migrants who were born in the country (Taguma et al. 2009), so I guess we'll have more data in years to come.


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    #412
    2ndcoming
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which matched my experience. I've been there three times to visit friends I'd met in China (There's a lot of Filipino English teachers.) There's a wide variety of tourism/activity going on.

    TBH that's the case with most Asian countries that have a established sex/prostitution culture. You wouldn't be saying that Japan was only visited by sex tourists, and yet, Japan has a very strong prostitution/escort/hostess industry.

    *There are *an

    Where do we sign up? :pac::pac:


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    #413
    hopalongcass
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Not when you expand the definition of racism to cover any interaction with regards to a particular race. A personal preference in terms of attraction is usually something that a person has, little to no, control over.



    I don't like seafood, but I haven't tasted every fish in the sea. Generalisations abound.



    It's a silly example, since I'd have known her natural hair color through the experience of dating and living together before getting married. You missed the point of why the example was used.



    We're not talking about love here. We're not talking about marriage or any deep meaningful connection. We're talking about attraction. Physical attraction, generally happens on the subconscious level. It's an instinctive reaction to the presence of another person, based on your own unique triggers. It's not racist. It might be ignorant, but not racist.

    You just said attraction is usually something that a person has little to no control over right? So that being the case how can you rule out a whole race when you haven't met them all yet.

    You are being prejudiced plain and simple,if we can't control attraction then how do you know there is not one out there somewhere belonging to a race you ruled out that's going to drive you crazy.Having met some of a race you are then deciding they are all the same/look the same without having met them all its prejudice,they are not all the same and there's all kinds of people from all races out there,just some like you will deny their true nature and convince themselves that they all look the same and you are attracted to none of them.

    But they aren't all the same and until you meet them all you can't know if there's one out there you find attractive,if you had said i never met someone from x race that i found attractive,while i might not totally believe that,i think its still a whole lot less prejudiced than saying i'm not attracted to the whole race that exists on the whole planet,when i only met a few of them.

    You admit it might be ignorant but not racist,well you know i think racist is thrown around too much these days everyone is racist in some ways or has said or done something racist,i think an argument about defining racism is going down the rabbit hole,but why come on here and defend ignorance,ignorance is not somewhere i would like to hang my hat,because you think at least its not racist?ignorance,bigotry,prejudice,racism all much of a muchness for me.


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    #414
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    2ndcoming wrote: »
    *There are *an

    Where do we sign up? :pac::pac:

    Ahh well, I'm not an English teacher, and I'm living in a primarily non-English speaking country which has degraded my grammar/writing. ;)
    hopalongcass wrote: »
    You just said attraction is usually something that a person has little to no control over right? So that being the case how can you rule out a whole race when you haven't met them all yet.

    Because common sense suggests that I'm not.

    You're expecting someone to clarify/specify every statement they make to take into account every possible eventuality. People like to generalize in their statements, and most people would understand that it doesn't apply to every instance, just the most likely scenarios based on their own experiences.
    You admit it might be ignorant but not racist,well you know i think racist is thrown around too much these days everyone is racist in some ways or has said or done something racist,i think an argument about defining racism is going down the rabbit hole,but why come on here and defend ignorance,

    Yeah, I skipped a lot because I'd consider it just repetition of previous points.

    Of course, you consider it to be going down a rabbit hole, because you want racism to cover everything, that doesn't accept a race 100%. Remember the context of this discussion? Physical attraction. I get the feeling that you want to expand it beyond the original discussion..
    ignorance is not somewhere i would like to hang my hat,because you think at least its not racist?ignorance,bigotry,prejudice,racism all much of a muchness for me.

    You associated ignorance with those others? Yikes. How very tolerant of others you are. You really don't see how unreasonable that is?

    That is the danger of this kind of attitude. It invites intolerance of others opinions because every opinion needs to cover every possibility. (Since we're talking about attraction in association with race)


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    #415
    2u2me
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    hopalongcass wrote: »
    I am just merely pointing out to label a whole race without having met every single one of said race is prejudiced,based on previous experience with the ones you did meet.

    He wasn't labelling. He was saying he wasn't attracted to them.

    I'm attracted to women. I'm not attracted to men. Is it sexist to say that, since I haven't met every single man? Is that prejudice in some way?

    Are all people that aren't bisexual prejudice? :confused:


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    #416
    hopalongcass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭hopalongcass


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ahh well, I'm not an English teacher, and I'm living in a primarily non-English speaking country which has degraded my grammar/writing. ;)



    Because common sense suggests that I'm not.

    You're expecting someone to clarify/specify every statement they make to take into account every possible eventuality. People like to generalize in their statements, and most people would understand that it doesn't apply to every instance, just the most likely scenarios based on their own experiences.



    Yeah, I skipped a lot because I'd consider it just repetition of previous points.

    Of course, you consider it to be going down a rabbit hole, because you want racism to cover everything, that doesn't accept a race 100%. Remember the context of this discussion? Physical attraction. I get the feeling that you want to expand it beyond the original discussion..



    You associated ignorance with those others? Yikes. How very tolerant of others you are. You really don't see how unreasonable that is?

    That is the danger of this kind of attitude. It invites intolerance of others opinions because every opinion needs to cover every possibility. (Since we're talking about attraction in association with race)

    I don't want to expand beyond the original discussion at all,i think i have pretty much stayed on point and its a pretty basic argument i am making,and yes i am talking about physical attraction and its generalising is what you are doing.I don't want to caps it but you don't seem to be getting my point at all,one race does not look all the same there is vast differences in looks across all races so ruling out a massive amount of people you have never met or seen as unattractive to you is being prejudiced based on the ones you have already met,again to make it clear they don't all look the same.

    I said its a rabbit hole because it is.Racism or being a racist are words made up it is not an incurable condition and then you could go even further by how do you define a race i mean how many races are there really?are travellers a race? is it racist to abuse a traveller or is just prejudice and bigotry?Its a very gray area trying to define racism or racist down to tee,but its making massive generalisations on a whole group of people based on similar skin colour is what we are talking about and assuming they are all the same and look the same which is what you are doing.


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    #417
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    hopalongcass wrote: »
    which is what you are doing.

    We're going around in circles.


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    #418
    hopalongcass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭hopalongcass


    2u2me wrote: »
    He wasn't labelling. He was saying he wasn't attracted to them.

    I'm attracted to women. I'm not attracted to men. Is it sexist to say that, since I haven't met every single man? Is that prejudice in some way?

    Are all people that aren't bisexual prejudice? :confused:

    He absolutely is,he is labelling a whole race unattractive.

    How is that even a point man,you said you aren't attracted to any men at all you are straight so i mean if you are into all this gender fluid binary stuff you are well entitled to believe there is a man out that you might find attractive me personally i don't think you will since you are straight.

    I can see why you are confused i would be to if i was you,because you can't comprehend some pretty basic stuff honestly the intelligence level of society has fallen off a cliff it's crazy.I need to give up posting here some people can't comprehend very very basic concepts and try to run around in circles around a very simple basic point,looking at you klaz.


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    #419
    hopalongcass
    Closed Accounts Posts: 109 ✭✭hopalongcass


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We're going around in circles.

    Obviously its very cliquey in here and you guys like each others posts,but man the evidence is there in both of our posts for anybody coming along in the future,you are clearly wrong and my posts are pretty clear making a pretty basic point that stands up to scrutiny however yours does not at all but i don't regret going down the rabbit hole with you because my posts will stay there for others to read,my posts aren't there to try and sway your viewpoint because you can't fix stupid.


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    #420
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    hopalongcass wrote: »
    He absolutely is,he is labelling a whole race unattractive.

    How is that even a point man,you said you aren't attracted to any men at all you are straight so i mean if you are into all this gender fluid binary stuff you are well entitled to believe there is a man out that you might find attractive me personally i don't think you will since you are straight.

    I can see why you are confused i would be to if i was you,because you can't comprehend some pretty basic stuff honestly the intelligence level of society has fallen off a cliff it's crazy.I need to give up posting here some people can't comprehend very very basic concepts and try to run around in circles around a very simple basic point,looking at you klaz.

    Now, hold on a second here.

    We disagree. That's actually allowed. It might not be allowed in your reality, but thankfully, we haven't been forced into compliance with your ultra PC reality yet.

    Insulting my intelligence because I don't agree with you is pretty lame, and indicative of your intolerance for others opinions. So, yes, maybe you should stop posting on boards if you're unwilling to hear differing opinions. :rolleyes:


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    #421
    Uncle Pierre
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    Well, I'm just landing fresh into this discussion, so you can't accuse me of being part of any clique.

    Personally, in general I don't find black women attractive either. Of course there are some exceptions. Halle Berry and Naomi Campbell are two I wouldn't have minded meeting when I was single. :D

    On the other hand, I've always had a thing for Oriental women. In general, I find them very attractive. But again, of course there are exceptions.

    You'd probably call me racist. Others would just call me human.


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