Deferred State Exams 2020 [SEE MOD NOTE POST #1]

There will be a new cock up in the morning IM sure

Treppen wrote: »

I was advising teachers to 'finish out the course' earlier on by sending videos and making use of the 'down tools and stop teaching' ambiguity.

In any event, even if teachers had finished out the course you'd get the 'experts-who-are-qualified-because-they-went-to-school-and-coach-an-under-14-Hurling team' baying for 151 hours of teaching a week, or whatever.

Decision was taken out of their hands when they were told to stop teaching tho

rainbowtrout wrote: »

There's probably some principal somewhere going 'don't mind those guidelines, just get on with it..'

I'd say there's more than one :pac:

Told ye the deadline would be extended lads... Just chill until the next Friday afternoon announcement.

mtoutlemonde wrote: »

What about the leak Thursday evening? Didn't see Emma for a while.

'Senior sources in the Department' are currently deciding who is in their favour at the moment.

I reckon it'll go to the Indo to keep them sweet, the Irish Times have been getting all the goodies from the master lately. One must keep everybody on their toes wot wot.

It has gone a little too quiet for my liking..............

Some many variables to consider with these 'calculated' grades. I don't have 6th years but being asked how they would have done had this not happened is hard - as others have said it can come down to the paper or even luck!
Some students deal with exam conditions better than others. You'd normally have an idea by 6th year but the pressure could be too much and you get a terrible paper and someone has a breakdown and does way worse than expected. Someone else studied one poet and sure enough they are after appearing!! While you have an idea where your class is at there can be a handful that do better than you thought and a few more that will do worse. How can you decide who's who?

Some updates on ASTI website.
No way this will be finished before mid June
model of assessment for Leaving Certificate 2020 candidates?

The Department of Education and Skills have confirmed to ASTI that schools will be permitted to appoint an Examination Aide in 2020 to assist the management of schools in the administration of the calculated grades model in schools. Details will be developed and confirmed to schools.



Do students have to opt-in to receive the calculated grades being offered under the calculated grades model of assessment for Leaving Certificate 2020 candidates?

Yes. Students are being provided with the opportunity to opt-in to receive the calculated grades being offered under the calculated grades model of assessment via an online system. This facility will be available shortly. Given the necessity to proceed with this process in a timely manner, ASTI has complained that the necessary arrangements for securing this information has not been put in place sooner.



Are students being asked to re-nominate the subject levels (Higher, Ordinary, Foundation) at which they wish to receive their calculated grades under the calculated grades model of assessment for Leaving Certificate 2020 candidates?

Yes. Students are being provided with the opportunity to re-nominate the subject levels (Higher, Ordinary, Foundation) at which they wish to receive their calculated grades under the calculated grades model of assessment. This facility will be available shortly.



What arrangements are being made for return of coursework to schools that had previously been submitted to the State Examinations Commission for marking?

Leaving Certificate Vocational Programme (LCVP) portfolios: These will be returned to schools so that they are available to teachers should they wish to review them as part of their work in respect of arriving at estimated marks for that subject. Teachers will not be expected to mark this material.

Design and Communication Graphics: Schools retain a full copy of material submitted to the SEC in relation to Design and Communication Graphics. Teachers can access this material to review it as part of their work in respect of arriving at estimated marks for that subject.

Leaving Certificate Home Economics – Scientific and Social: An exceptional arrangement is being made for coursework in this subject. This coursework was submitted to the State Examinations Commission in 2019 and had already been provisionally marked at the point when schools closed. As in the case of the Leaving Certificate examinations that run each year, the release of these component marks prior to the issue of provisional results will not take place. In the case of Home Economics - Scientific and Social, the school will be asked to provide an estimated percentage mark for the written examination only. The mark submitted will be combined with the mark the coursework portion of the work has already been attributed and will then be subjected to the standardisation process within the DES to arrive at the final calculated grade for the candidate. To avoid the provisional mark awarded to the journal influencing the school’s estimation in respect of the final examination paper, the provisional mark assigned to the journal will not be released at this stage. It will however be made available following the issue of results.



Will training be provided to teachers on how to implement the Calculated Grades model?

Yes. Detailed guidance on the operation of the process will issue shortly. Online training will be provided regarding all aspects of the process.

Treppen wrote: »

Ha, Ciara Kelly On newstalk saying that schools should open saying that we are denying kids of their education.

Sure wasn't she the one leading the bandwagon demanding that the LC be replaced with predicted grades? She is for want of a better word a total and utter 'flute'

This process should not be rushed at all. Any inkling that this was rushed through so that we can go on holidays will be viewed terribly and will inevitably lead to appeals solely on that basis.

Mardy Bum wrote: »

This process should not be rushed at all. Any inkling that this was rushed through so that we can go on holidays will be viewed terribly and will inevitably lead to appeals solely on that basis.

But it also shouldn't drag on for half the summer because the Dept told us many months had gone into this planning process when in reality it was cobbled together last minute and they're probably still making it up as they go along.

If this was all in place when the guidelines were released, we would have all of the details by now.

I wonder have our unions even mentioned that we are on holidays in 9 days time?

I've already given up all of my Easter Holidays, and working well past midnight a lot of the time, going a good way into June will just annoy me.

I know it's necessary, I know it's a pandemic, but acknowledge it at least.

Treppen wrote: »

They're trying to spin it till start of June to kick off the annual-teacher-bashing-summer-holidays-troll smokescreen.

You know...like the ones always lurking in this forum.

They've been temporarily occupied somewhere else....

km79 wrote: »

I can already hear them coming out from under the bridges in After Hours.......

5.5 months holidays tut tut tut Forgot to add - paid as well!!

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Ya, I know this is probably going to go into June, but put a date on it. I want to be able to close my books and turn off my laptop and switch off and wind down. Not have it in the back of my mind for three or four weeks of the summer.

Maybe they will pay us? Read above that the school can employ an exam secretary.

Treppen wrote: »

Just to clarify: I know that the Unions can't issue directives, but are teachers being asked to cease and desist from calculating grades/ranking until further notice?

If so, Is there a link to this?

ASTI sent a message last Friday 'Our advice is not to do any work on Calculated Grades until guidance issued by DES shortly, General Secretary.'

I think TUI issued similar.