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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #6572
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Too many problems mounting, non Covid health outcomes, children's development, the economy to name but a few.Anyone thinking there will be a lockdown mark 2 is away with the fairies.

    Your naiveté is touching.


  • #6573
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    If it doesn’t work by Aug 10th it’s not going to work unless a vaccine. We won’t be locked up until then. Common sense and social distancing should help.

    Social distancing alone got the RO figure down to .8 with the lockdown we are at .5.
    A vaccine according to Dr/Professor Breslin is 10 years away. Even WHO has said we will have to live alongside the virus. Life has to move on. It was stark to hear it said on the Tonight show that even as Italy opens up ( the hardest got country in Europe) we will still be locked down to a degree for another 15 weeks.
    The pausing of cancer screening services is going to cost many lives.
    In the UK there is a belief that 15,000 could be lost to missing a cancer diagnosis due to Covid.


  • #6574
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    Your naiveté is touching.

    It's called pragmatism, how many lives do you think is acceptable to loose due to other illnesses other than Covid? What damage to children's development is acceptable?


  • #6575
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Social distancing alone got the RO figure done to .8 with the lockdown we are at .5.
    A vaccine according to Dr/Professor Breslin is 10 years away. Even WHO has said we will have to live alongside the virus. Life has to move on. It was stark to hear it said on the Tonight show that even as Italy opens up ( the hardest got country in Europe) we will still be locked down to a degree for another 15 weeks.
    The pausing of cancer screening services is going to cost many lives.
    In the UK there is a belief that 15,000 could be lost to missing a cancer diagnosis due to Covid.

    An uncle of mine got a very important heart valve replacement cancelled due to this, definately needs to stop by August whether people on this thread like it or not.


  • #6576
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    If it doesn’t work by Aug 10th it’s not going to work unless a vaccine. We won’t be locked up until then. Common sense and social distancing should help.
    Well, I have a lot more faith in our Scientific Community than that.
    As a matter of fact I would say that it would be ridiculous to say we will
    not have a whole load of more tools in our arsenal by August than we have now.


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  • #6577
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    An uncle of mine got a very important heart valve replacement cancelled due to this, definately needs to stop by August whether people on this thread like it or not.

    My daughter in law to be has had a life changing organ transplant cancelled due to this. She's in her mid 20's. No timescale given as to when the operation will happen.


  • #6578
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's called pragmatism, how many lives do you think is acceptable to loose due to other illnesses other than Covid? What damage to children's development is acceptable?

    I'll try my best to answer your impossible question:

    Less than would be killed by Covid without a lockdown.

    Do you think many people would be receiving treatment for other ailments if our hospitals were stuffed to capacity with Covid patients?


  • #6579
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Arghus wrote: »
    I'll try my best to answer your impossible question:

    Less than would be killed by Covid without a lockdown.

    Do you think many people would be receiving treatment for other ailments if our hospitals were stuffed to capacity with Covid patients?

    They aren’t stuffed and important procedures are still being cancelled.


  • #6580
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    They aren’t stuffed and important procedures are still being cancelled.

    Yes, they aren't stuffed: because we've had a lockdown that has suppressed the growth of the disease.

    If we hadn't imposed restrictions we would have faced a situation like Lombardy where our health service was overwhelmed. This is not science fiction, it happened. And they had far more capacity to begin with than we had.

    I can not believe that this has to be repeated again and again. Were people comatose when all this was happening?


  • #6581
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    I'll try my best to answer your impossible question:

    Less than would be killed by Covid without a lockdown.


    So your reply is no less clear than what I asked
    Do you think many people would be receiving treatment for other ailments if our hospitals were stuffed to capacity with Covid patients?
    At present our hospitals are not stuffed but many non Covid illnesses are not being treated. Which will lead to deaths.


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  • #6582
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yes, they aren't stuffed: because we've had a lockdown that has suppressed the growth of the disease.

    If we hadn't imposed restrictions we would have faced a situation like Lombardy where our health service was overwhelmed. And they had far more capacity to begin with than we had.

    I can not believe that this has to be repeated again and again. Were people comatose when all this was happening?

    Jesus would you ever give over. Like i said i have played by the rules. Did you get the part even though they aren’t stuffed important procedures are still CANCELLED?


  • #6583
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    At present our hospitals are not stuffed but many non Covid illnesses are not being treated. Which will lead to deaths.

    Yes, I know that and understand that completely.


  • #6584
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Jesus would you ever give over. Like i said i have played by the rules. Did you get the part even though they aren’t stuffed important procedures are still CANCELLED?

    You're wasting your time.
    Anyway I have work later, goodnight.


  • #6585
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Arghus wrote: »
    Yes, I know that and understand that completely.

    I don’t think you do to be honest.


  • #6586
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's called pragmatism, how many lives do you think is acceptable to loose due to other illnesses other than Covid? What damage to children's development is acceptable?

    So come the Autumn the hospitals are overwhelmed, the coffins piling up.

    Do you think society goes on as normal?

    Or people get terrified and react?

    Which do you think?

    Another lock down will happen bust or no bust if cases and deaths surge.

    You are in denial as to the gravity of the situation.


  • #6587
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It's called pragmatism, how many lives do you think is acceptable to loose due to other illnesses other than Covid? What damage to children's development is acceptable?
    Moronic.
    Provide some statistical evidence of how many people have died or how many children's developments have been impared during a 7 week lockdown.
    Scaremongering Nonsense.


  • #6588
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,656 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You need to grow up.

    If you don't like posts/posters there is an ignore button there.

    Use it.

    Right now it appears you are stalking posters on the site to 'correct' them.

    I have been on here long enough to know the mods rightly have a low tolerance for that.

    Use the ignore feature.

    That'd be my advice.


    Mod: @Kermit.de.frog - I'll let you know if the day ever comes when we make you a forum mod. Until then, quit it.


  • #6589
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    So come the Autumn the hospitals are overwhelmed, the coffins piling up.

    Do you think society goes on as normal?

    Or people get terrified and react?

    Which do you think?

    Another lock down will happen bust or no bust if cases and deaths surge.

    You are in denial as to the gravity of the situation.

    Coffins and overwhelmed hospitals? No offence but this post is the biggest pile of sh*te i have read all night.


  • #6590
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Jesus would you ever give over. Like i said i have played by the rules. Did you get the part even though they aren’t stuffed important procedures are still CANCELLED?

    Yes, I am aware of that. And, hopefully now going forward that will become the main focus: to try to treat non Covid related illness and emergencies. It is, of course, of utmost urgency.

    Hopefully breathing room we have created and spare capacity that was used to prepare for the worst case scenario will be put to good use and life can continue in some form. I'm not suggesting that people shouldn't have important procedures. I'm not sure if we are disagreeing with each other here.

    The health service was a mess before this and I'm sure it's an even bigger fcking mess now.


  • #6591
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Coffins and overwhelmed hospitals? No offence but this post is the biggest pile of sh*te i have read all night.

    But that is EXACTLY what happened in Lombardy, in Madrid, in New York - places where the virus took hold before restrictions were put in place. Hospitals were overwhelmed with Covid patients, cemeteries were literally full.

    It's not sh*te, it was reality in those places - it's what happened.


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  • #6592
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If a child's development is hindered by spending some time at home, that's on the parents.


  • #6593
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Coffins and overwhelmed hospitals? No offence but this post is the biggest pile of sh*te i have read all night.

    That is exactly what has happened in Italy, Iran, Wuhan, Spain, Brazil now...

    Do you think we are special or something?


  • #6594
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,155 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You're wasting your time.
    Anyway I have work later, goodnight.

    I'm all for having my mind changed; but your arguments are not convincing.


  • #6595
    Not in Kansas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Not in Kansas


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That's interesting that they were sick enough to be hospitalised but it's not COVID. The 26 also suggests that the community number in daily cases is incredibly low.

    Just to pick up on this. Suspected cases does not always mean that those people were hospitalised with/for Covid symptoms. A lot of the time it means that they were in hospital for something else, and staff saw reason to test them.

    For obvious reasons, they are being extremely cautious in hospitals and have quite a high level of suspicion about the virus and its next move, so anyone that coughs at all is treated as a suspected case.

    For example, my own mother was in a six bed room on a stroke unit a few weeks ago. All was ticking along as close to normal as they can be right now, and then her room was suddenly locked down with red tape on doors, staff in hazmat suits etc. There was a suspected case in her room. The man had developed a high temperature and had recently coughed once or twice. He was tested late one evening and by mid day the next day the room returned to normal as his test was negative, he hadn't coughed since and his temp had gone down.

    My mother was told during it that testing anyone that coughs was daily life in hospitals right now and not to worry too much about it, but that man would have been in the stats that day as a suspected case, and many more like him.


  • #6596
    [Deleted User]
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    Not in Kansas wrote: »
    Just to pick up on this. Suspected cases does not always mean that those people were hospitalised with/for Covid symptoms. A lot of the time it means that they were in hospital for something else, and staff saw reason to test them.

    For obvious reasons, they are being extremely cautious in hospitals and have quite a high level of suspicion about the virus and its next move, so anyone that coughs at all is treated as a suspected case.

    For example, my own mother was in a six bed room on a stroke unit a few weeks ago. All was ticking along as close to normal as they can be right now, and then her room was suddenly locked down with red tape on doors, staff in hazmat suits etc. There was a suspected case in her room. The man had developed a high temperature and had recently coughed once or twice. He was tested late one evening and by mid day the next day the room returned to normal as his test was negative, he hadn't coughed since and his temp had gone down.

    My mother was told during it that testing anyone that coughs was daily life in hospitals right now and not to worry too much about it, but that man would have been in the stats that day as a suspected case, and many more like him.

    It seems that what was happening in Castlebar hospital is that anyone who was in the suspected category was moved to the covid ward pending test result, and then getting moved out again once negative, only to then subsequently get it. A real cluster****


  • #6597
    [Deleted User]
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    Looking at the global figures - daily new cases have not moved much in the last 6 weeks however daily deaths have dropped about 40%. I wonder have we become better at testing and globally the case load is falling or we are just detecting a higher %, or are we better at treating and globally more people are recovering.


  • #6598
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It seems that what was happening in Castlebar hospital is that anyone who was in the suspected category was moved to the covid ward pending test result, and then getting moved out again once negative, only to then subsequently get it. A real cluster****

    That’s super clever. We are being scolded for having hope the worst is over and then you have this madness.


  • #6599
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Looking at the global figures - daily new cases have not moved much in the last 6 weeks however daily deaths have dropped about 40%. I wonder have we become better at testing and globally the case load is falling or we are just detecting a higher %, or are we better at treating and globally more people are recovering.

    More testing, we were playing catch up due to a late response in most countries. Its why the death rate % is lower in countries that acted early along with effective lockdown measures


  • #6600
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Our cases seem to be dropping every day, which is all good. I'm kind of hoping there's some truth in the prediction that fella made over a week ago. But do we have any measures at airports, any airport checks, quarantine for residents and incoming visitors? What's the point of having our cases drop but allowing visitors in? That's what got us in this mess in the first place.


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  • #6601
    [Deleted User]
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    More testing, we were playing catch up due to a late response in most countries. Its why the death rate % is lower in countries that acted early along with effective lockdown measures

    You would suspect treatment is improving also though, death rates in ICU in Italy were around 50-60% in the early stages while here it is around 25%. Major changes in decisions when to ventilate as people learned about this have probably saved a lot of lives


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