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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #6542
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    I’d say you’re hitting the nail on the head there re the 350 payment. People are happy enough on it and don’t want to go back to work no matter how low case numbers get as long as they can get away with it. There’s also a lot of people who are at home getting paid in full even though they are no longer doing their jobs. They don’t want to go back to work.

    I think that attitude was prevalent enough for the first few weeks, but as it's gone on I really question whether people really still feel that way.

    I'm sure some do, but, as time has gone on, those who I know that are still getting the payment are generally more anxious now about whether they'll have a job to go back too.


  • #6543
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Arghus wrote: »
    I think that attitude was prevalent enough for the first few weeks, but as it's gone on I really question whether people really still feel that way.

    I'm sure some do, but, as time has gone on, those who I know that are still getting the payment are generally more anxious now about whether they'll have a job to go back too.

    I don’t mean everyone but I’d say there’s a fair few thinking that way.


  • #6544
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    4 up to 16 (RIP) deaths is bad

    A downward trend is the important thing. There’ll be little peaks along the way.


  • #6545
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It wasn't.
    The "riposte" is self-evident. The puerile nonsense on this thread has a lot of people looking like the Irish equivalent of those "Covid deniers" from other countries.

    They actually omitted Brazil.
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  • #6546
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    Arghus wrote: »
    Absolutely, it can't go on forever. I wouldn't want it to go on forever. No one enjoys lockdown life.

    But to say that the purpose of the lockdown is to buy time is only partly true. That is one of the aims, but it's also to control the spread of the disease and to suppress it as much as possible. You buy time, but you are also trying to weaken the enemy.

    Look how far we've come. On April 16th there were 1040 confirmed cases - just over a month later, today, we had 51. That's a 95% reduction in that space of time. That's incredible. And we've widened the testing criteria and the number of positive cases continues to fall, so it's a reasonable guess to assume that we have in fact manged to get community transmission more under control, rather than just missing positive cases through problems with how we deploy testing.

    The fervour I speak of - and I am not suggesting that you personally subscribe to all of this - is the absolute impatience of more and more people to open up everything as soon as possible, immediately. Even though it's obvious that caution, even if only for the next two to three weeks, would put us in a much more sustainable position going into the future. We could eliminate community transmission with no if's and but's. That's not an impossible goal based on where we are right now. We've our boot on the throat of this thing, we don't just let it go now - when we've fought the hardest part of the battle - just so it can slink off for a while, but still with enough strength in it to come back at us again.

    We've all suffered, we've all made terrible sacrifices: the lock down is terrible, but, jesus, the end is in sight.

    Really, until we have a vaccine, the threat of it returning won’t go away. We don’t actually know that the end is in sight. It probably is but we don’t know for sure. A vaccine could be here in a few months but that thought makes me very nervous. Rigorous testing exists for a reason. The swine flu vaccine was rushed through. We mostly got away with it. Mostly. We may not be so lucky next time. Corners will be cut to develop one. So either we cross our fingers and allow that to happen and hope it will be okay OR we accept that a vaccine is more than a year away and accept that we cannot lockdown until that happens.


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  • #6547
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    jams100 wrote: »
    I'm going to be that negative person unfortunately. Yes its welcome and good to see number of cases dropping along with deaths but...
    I have a feeling most people on this thread will be the same people moaning about transport, healthcare, housing, education etc. when this is all over in a year or two. Maybe we don't have much of a choice but to stay in lockdown
    Well, First of all I don't think you should call yourself a negative person or apologize for your point of view.I don't fully agree with you that we should stay in lockdown but I do believe we should leave it with extreme caution.

    Also I believe we should be ready to go back if that is what is needed.
    We have to try to see if our "new normal" can cope with this virus but we also have to be ready to admit it when we discover that it has failed. (as it did the last time.)
    We have a political establishment that has learned for decades not to admit that it was ever wrong about anything. Never, however, about issues where large numbers of people might live or die as a result.Asking them now to set this aside and realize that, for the first time in their lives, they have to tell the truth or people will die as a consequence is to ask the to do something they never did before. I have no confidence at all that they will ever make this transition.

    I hope they can go through this learning curves fast enough.
    If LEO needs to reverse Phase 1 or Phase 2 he needs to have the guts to do it.


  • #6548
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What a strange outburst, are you ok?
    Do you ever have anything worthwhile to say?


  • #6549
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    s1ippy wrote: »
    The "riposte" is self-evident. The puerile nonsense on this thread has a lot of people looking like the Irish equivalent of those "Covid deniers" from other countries.

    They actually omitted Brazil.
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    I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Yet you are trying to apply a label to people whom you disagree with. Yesterday it was bullies today it's Covid deniers yet absolutely no one that I have read on this thread denies the existence of the virus.


  • #6550
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MipMap wrote: »
    Do you ever have anything worthwhile to say?

    Yes and I can even manage to do it without resorting to foul language. Now if you want to address any of my comments feel free but if you want to make a personal attack I won't be replying further.


  • #6551
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    jams100 wrote: »
    I'm going to be that negative person unfortunately. Yes its welcome and good to see number of cases dropping along with deaths but...

    I have a feeling most people on this thread will be the same people moaning about transport, healthcare, housing, education etc. when this is all over in a year or two. Maybe we don't have much of a choice but to stay in lockdown I'm no expert but someone will be paying for this, of that there is no doubt. Sometimes I wonder if some, emphasis on some, people are happy to collect their 350 and continue as is?

    I know I sound negative but I feel its some people are living with the fairies thinking this can go on for months

    I say this as someone who has just come out of college with no job and probably no likelihood of getting one for the next few months at least, at the same time my family are healthy so...

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/policing-covid-19-will-hit-garda-budget-hard-commissioner-warns-991325.html

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0519/1139398-construction-coronavirus/

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0519/1139341-daa-seeking-1-000-redundancies/

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0519/1139232-european-car-sales/

    https://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/tough-decisions-irelands-economy-covid

    I am on the side of the slow, cautious route and it had nothing to do with a covid19 payment. It doesn't make sense to accelerate out of the lockdown/restrictions otherwise, cases will rise again. I want the authorities to monitor the situation with new cases and do the contact tracing to slow down the spread of this disease. I'm someone who's not sitting at home or sitting anywhere else day in day out. I'm not lounging about and I'm not on the covid19 payment either.


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  • #6552
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Yes and I can even manage to do it without resorting to foul language. Now if you want to address any of my comments feel free but if you want to make a personal attack I won't be replying further.
    Like all bullies you need an audience and you ain't got one here buddy.


  • #6553
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Yes and I can even manage to do it without resorting to foul language. Now if you want to address any of my comments feel free but if you want to make a personal attack I won't be replying further.

    Yet you have no problem making personal attacks on my posts.


  • #6554
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MipMap wrote: »
    Like all bullies you need an audience and you ain't got one here buddy.

    I'm neither your buddy or a bully. Not me engaged in foul language or personal attacks.


  • #6555
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    Yet you have no problem making personal attacks on my posts.

    Feel free to point out on personal attack I made on your posts. I asked you what revelence has some of what you posted here. You posted a fake tweet here yesterday and got called out by another poster , the fact you claimed you only posted facts and real news made it amusing but that's not an attack.


  • #6556
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Feel free to point out on personal attack I made on your posts. I asked you what revelence has some of what you posted here. You posted a fake tweet here yesterday and got called out by another poster , the fact you claimed you only posted facts and real news made it amusing but that's not an attack.
    When you are explaining, you are losing!


  • #6557
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Feel free to point out on personal attack I made on your posts. I asked you what revelence has some of what you posted here. You posted a fake tweet here yesterday and got called out by another poster , the fact you claimed you only posted facts and real news made it amusing but that's not an attack.

    You need to grow up.

    If you don't like posts/posters there is an ignore button there.

    Use it.

    Right now it appears you are stalking posters on the site to 'correct' them.

    I have been on here long enough to know the mods rightly have a low tolerance for that.

    Use the ignore feature.

    That'd be my advice.


  • #6558
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I am on the side of the slow, cautious route and it had nothing to do with a covid19 payment. It doesn't make sense to accelerate out of the lockdown/restrictions otherwise, cases will rise again. I want the authorities to monitor the situation with new cases and do the contact tracing to slow down the spread of this disease. I'm someone who's not sitting at home or sitting anywhere else day in day out. I'm not lounging about and I'm not on the covid19 payment either.

    A curious question. So if numbers still low by August 10th you’ll be happy to exit the lockdown fully?


  • #6559
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    Sorry to interrupt guys but I usually meditate if I think I’m feeling like a negative nelly. Ye just need step back from life, put on some pan pipe music, get on the mat and banish the bad juju from yer chakras.


  • #6560
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    A curious question. So if numbers still low by August 10th you’ll be happy to exit the lockdown fully?
    That's pubs and restaurants and mass gatherings.
    If the Ro is well below 1 then I would be OK with it. However I hope by then we will have lots of other things like anti virals, antibody treatments, antibody tests, anti inflammatories etc.,


  • #6561
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Sorry to interrupt guys but I usually meditate if I think I’m feeling like a negative nelly. Ye just need step back from life, put on some pan pipe music, get on the mat and banish the bad juju from yer chakras.
    Absolutely!


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  • #6562
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    MipMap wrote: »
    That's pubs and restaurants and mass gatherings.
    If the Ro is well below 1 then I would be OK with it. However I hope by then we will have of other things like anti virals, antibody treatments, antibody tests, anti inflammatories etc.,

    It wasn’t aimed at you but, if the R is well below 1 but none of the latter?


  • #6563
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Sorry to interrupt guys but I usually meditate if I think I’m feeling like a negative nelly. Ye just need step back from life, put on some pan pipe music, get on the mat and banish the bad juju from yer chakras.

    Yes it’s puzzling especially with our low numbers, we should be cheering up!


  • #6564
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    It wasn’t aimed at you but, if the R is well below 1 but none of the latter?
    Of course they have to try. We can't hide forever but we also have to go back if it does not work.
    What do you think?


  • #6565
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    MipMap wrote: »
    Of course they have to try. We can't hide forever but we also have to go back if it does not work.
    What do you think?

    I have no problem waiting for Aug 10th, i have played by the rules, but if it doesn’t work as far as i’m concerened i WON’T be going back. If it doesn’t work by then it was a waste of time anyway. I suppose lockdown hasn’t reall affected me. I’m on the road everyday anyway( legally) due to my work.


  • #6566
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I have no problem waiting for Aug 10th, i have played by the rules, but if it doesn’t work as far as i’m concerened i WON’T be going back. If it doesn’t work by then it was a waste of time anyway. I suppose lockdown hasn’t reall affected me. I’m on the road everyday anyway( legally) due to my work.
    Too many problems mounting, non Covid health outcomes, children's development, the economy to name but a few.Anyone thinking there will be a lockdown mark 2 is away with the fairies.


  • #6567
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I have no problem waiting for Aug 10th, i have played by the rules, but if it doesn’t work as far as i’m concerened i WON’T be going back. If it doesn’t work by then it was a waste of time anyway. I suppose lockdown hasn’t reall affected me. I’m on the road everyday anyway( legally) due to my work.
    Well, we cross that bridge when we come to it. A million guys are looking for a vaccine, a cure something to control this. By August it has to be better than it is now.


  • #6568
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Too many problems mounting, non Covid health outcomes, children's development, the economy to name but a few.Anyone thinking there will be a lockdown mark 2 is away with the fairies.

    If it doesn’t work by Aug 10th it’s not going to work unless a vaccine. We won’t be locked up until then. Common sense and social distancing should help.


  • #6569
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Yes and I can even manage to do it without resorting to foul language. Now if you want to address any of my comments feel free but if you want to make a personal attack I won't be replying further.
    Was that Fake News?
    Can we believe anything you say?


  • #6570
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    [quote="MipMap;113492089". By August it has to be better than it is now.[/quote]
    Yes and it won’t be phase 1.


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  • #6571
    Paddygreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    If it wasn’t for the good sets of hands at the helm I dread to think what might have happened, and by no means are we out of the woods yet. We just have to keep repeating the slogans that have got us this far, I combine at least three hours of that into my yoga routine every day. One of my extinction rebel friends sent me some magic beans in the post, I have been feeling a lot better after that nice surprise.This is a marathon guys, not a race.


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