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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #5192
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I believe the construction is a big area to be monitored closely. I was out for a walk today and saw a big group of workers outside a Spar having their lunches huddled together.

    If that doesn't result in a surge in cases over the next couple of weeks then I don't see why the future phases couldn't be implemented sooner.

    Or perhaps you could mind your own business and let other people who want to work get on with it and the measures they need to practice? I often see various groups outside shops and supermarkets. People like you are borderline paranoid tbh


  • #5193
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    road_high wrote: »
    Varadkar is clearly gunning for another election. Everything he does is aimed at that. He wants to be seen as the amazing Leader that saved Ireland from Covid 19.

    Manwhile we have a death rate up there with the worst in the world. The lockdown was too late and as anyone who lives in Ireland can see was ineffective anyway. Traveller funerals were the obvious one but basically anything went in Ireland as long as you had the right answer for the Gardai.


  • #5194
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I can understand people's eagerness to lift restrictions, but you do realise we aren't even two days into the first phase, right? They are not going to be making any decisions on the relaxation of any restrictions until they see how the current phase pans out. Two weeks at the earliest.

    They had a bonus two weeks where they weren't up to speed testing and all that changed was 2 - 5km and cocooners were able to exercise which they were already

    Even now in phase one they couldn't even implement the plan with homeware as they were spooked with IKEA

    We Should be far further along than we are at the moment

    Couple that with our plan being very cautious and very drawn out it's no wonder people are getting impatient

    Today in Northern Ireland you can travel how far want. In Donegal its 5km up to 8th June then. 20km up to 20th July

    9 weeks before you could even travel within Donegal


  • #5195
    Nermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭Nermal


    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v1

    Ioannidis again. 12 seroprevalance studies analysed.

    "Infection fatality rates ranged from 0.03% to 0.50% and corrected values ranged from 0.02% to 0.40%. Conclusions The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 can vary substantially across different locations and this may reflect differences in population age structure and case-mix of infected and deceased patients as well as multiple other factors. Estimates of infection fatality rates inferred from seroprevalence studies tend to be much lower than original speculations made in the early days of the pandemic."


  • #5196
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Speaking of construction

    "Cost of building Children's Hospital could rise by 40%, special Covid-19 committee hears"

    https://www.thejournal.ie/childrens-hospital-increase-5103236-May2020/

    Well known social distancing measures could make worlds most expensive hospital to build even more expensive. This is absolutely crazy, I wanted to be positive and chat about 500bn euro recovery fund and how you can kick start economy, but whatever we get allocated from there will likely go towards these costly "adjustments".

    However if no clusters or people falling sick at constructions site over the next 2 months - can 40% increase even be justified?

    There has been no recorded outbreaks in any European countries from construction since there return in there countries


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  • #5197
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    road_high wrote: »
    Or perhaps you could mind your own business and let other people who want to work get on with it and the measures they need to practice? I often see various groups outside shops and supermarkets. People like you are borderline paranoid tbh

    Yeah sure why implement any measures. Just let everyone do their own thing. Epidemiologists don't know what they're talking about.


  • #5198
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    snowcat wrote: »
    Manwhile we have a death rate up there with the worst in the world. The lockdown was too late and as anyone who lives in Ireland can see was ineffective anyway. Traveller funerals were the obvious one but basically anything went in Ireland as long as you had the right answer for the Gardai.

    This worst in the world thing is nothing but ****ing nonsense - the majority of our deaths were concentrated in places that were already on the mortality slope without CV19 dropping in as well. Add to that we count figures differently to the rest of the world so taking that in to account we didn’t do too bad at all


  • #5199
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Yeah sure why implement any measures. Just let everyone do their own thing. Epidemiologists don't know what they're talking about.

    I’m sure most do. You however are a different story.


  • #5200
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    ZX7R wrote: »
    There has been no recorded outbreaks in any European countries from construction since there return in there countries

    What about construction workers outside Spars eating chicken fillet rolls?


  • #5201
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    road_high wrote: »
    Or perhaps you could mind your own business and let other people who want to work get on with it and the measures they need to practice? I often see various groups outside shops and supermarkets. People like you are borderline paranoid tbh

    Also construction work is about the most risky job you can get not a job for crybabies.

    It is people like this paying for those €350 handouts.:)


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  • #5202
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Today in Northern Ireland you can travel how far want. In Donegal its 5km up to 8th June then. 20km up to 20th July

    9 weeks before you could even travel within Donegal

    The only arguments I've ever seen with regards to lifting restrictions is "look what the other countries are doing". Why do people present this as some sort of fact that shows it's the right thing to do?

    I'm not saying that the current restrictions are the right thing to do either, that's because it's anyone's guess how this will play out, either way.


  • #5203
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    road_high wrote: »
    I’m sure most do. You however are a different story.

    What have I stated that is factually incorrect?


  • #5204
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    road_high wrote: »
    What about construction workers outside Spars eating chicken fillet rolls?

    Still hasn't been a outbreak yet


  • #5205
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    VonLuck wrote: »
    What have I stated that is factually incorrect?

    People need to stop taking things personally we all need to get back to work.

    For many of us we never stopped work that includes the people that made those evil chicken rolls in Spar.

    Did you pop in for one yourself very tasty I had one myself last week while on my break.

    Had to sit on my own however do I get a medal?;)


  • #5206
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Yeah sure why implement any measures. Just let everyone do their own thing. Epidemiologists don't know what they're talking about.

    Its beginning to look like that. Other countries have taken the brave steps before us and it is shown that the virus does not get uncontrollable with relaxation of restrictions. Can we learn from them please. Or at least ask Tony to give his equivalent in Austria or Switzerland a call to see how their cancellation of restrictions is going. And Tony is not an Epidemiologist and i dont believe we even have one on our team.


  • #5207
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    VonLuck wrote: »
    The only arguments I've ever seen with regards to lifting restrictions is "look what the other countries are doing". Why do people present this as some sort of fact that shows it's the right thing to do?

    I'm not saying that the current restrictions are the right thing to do either, that's because it's anyone's guess how this will play out, either way.

    The issue is the numbers in this country. Our covid new cases, active cases are all in low 0.01 to 0.1% bracket relative to our population. Our economic damage from restrictions is 5 to 15% gdp loss, 15 to 30% unemployment. Justifying keeping restrictions in place just doesnt add up.

    And no i dont believe if we open Ikea that 0.01 to 0.1% is gonna skyrocket to 10 to 15% of population. This isnt a movie.


  • #5208
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    People need to stop taking things personally we all need to get back to work.

    For many of us we never stopped work that includes the people that made those evil chicken rolls in Spar.

    Did you pop in for one yourself very tasty I had one myself last week while on my break.

    Had to sit on my own however do I get a medal?;)

    All I said was that construction needs to be monitored because it is a higher risk area, as demonstrated by the number of workers congregating together during their lunch.

    Or maybe you think social distancing is a hoax as well?


  • #5209
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    snowcat wrote: »
    Its beginning to look like that. Other countries have taken the brave steps before us and it is shown that the virus does not get uncontrollable with relaxation of restrictions. Can we learn from them please. Or at least ask Tony to give his equivalent in Austria or Switzerland a call to see how their cancellation of restrictions is going. And Tony is not an Epidemiologist and i dont believe we even have one on our team.

    I was referring to epidemiologists advice on social distancing, which people seem to have taken exception to.


  • #5210
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Rip it down, put a cap of spending on it and place it somewhere that is much more accessible by the people who need it - there is no amount of excuses in the world that can brush off one building costing as much as 2-3 full hospitals anywhere else in the world.

    ****ing hell that hospital is making Brandenburg airport in Berlin look like it was sculpted by the gods in comparison.


  • #5211
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Just heard on the news, 37k tests carried out last week. At 15k capacity per day thats not even 40%.

    So if 2 week extension on 1 May was due to testing not being where Tony wanted, why arent phases being brought forward now that we have overcapacity for testing??

    At the end of the day our construction lads arent gonna look for a test and take their symptoms for a flu and keep chopping away at 800 eur per week. Why wud we wait until August or July is beyond me...


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  • #5212
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    VonLuck wrote: »
    All I said was that construction needs to be monitored because it is a higher risk area, as demonstrated by the number of workers congregating together during their lunch.

    Or maybe you think social distancing is a hoax as well?

    The builders went back to work yesterday on THEIR break they went to spar and huddled together.

    What do you suggest I do about it?

    You seem them did you give them a piece of your mind?
    Did you call the Guards?
    Did you complain to the construction company?

    You seem to be worried about it.


  • #5213
    Nermal
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    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.13.20101253v1

    Locations with high burdens of nursing home deaths may have high IFR estimates, but the IFR would still be very low among non-elderly, non-debilitated people. The average length of stay in a nursing home is slightly more than 2 years and people who die in nursing homes die in an median of 5 months so it is likely that COVID-19 nursing home deaths may have happened in people with life expectancy of only a few months. This needs to be verified in careful assessments of COVID-19 outbreaks in nursing homes with detailed risk profiling of the fatalities. If this pattern is prominent, it may even create a dent of less than expected mortality in the very elderly age stratum (e.g. >85 years) in the next 3-6 months following the passage of the coronavirus excess mortality wave.

    Panic: a lockdown that never added up in the first place in QALYS terms.

    Pig-headed refusal to admit error: maintaining the lockdown, in the face of the mountain of evidence similar to the above.


  • #5214
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The builders went back to work yesterday on THEIR break they went to spar and huddled together.

    What do you suggest I do about it?

    You seem them did you give them a piece of your mind?
    Did you call the Guards?
    Did you complain to the construction company?

    You seem to be worried about it.

    I don't know why you capitalised "their". Obviously it was their break.

    I didn't ask you to do anything about it, and why would I?

    I didn't give them a piece of my mind, why would I?

    I didn't call the guards, why would I?

    I didn't complain to the construction company, why would I?

    I wouldn't say I'm worried about the situation, but I merely made the observation that construction workers can congregate together, both inside and outside of construction sites. Construction sites need to be managed to avoid this happening. The last thing people want is for there to be any step back in measures.

    You seem to have gotten your knickers in a bunch over an innocuous comment and I've no idea why.


  • #5215
    kaisersose77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭kaisersose77


    When are the likes of painters allowed back to work, June 29th?


  • #5216
    CinemaGuy45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,181 ✭✭✭CinemaGuy45


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I don't know why you capitalised "their". Obviously it was their break.

    I didn't ask you to do anything about it, and why would I?

    I didn't give them a piece of my mind, why would I?

    I didn't call the guards, why would I?

    I didn't complain to the construction company, why would I?

    I wouldn't say I'm worried about the situation, but I merely made the observation that construction workers can congregate together, both inside and outside of construction sites. Construction sites need to be managed to avoid this happening. The last thing people want is for there to be any step back in measures.

    You seem to have gotten your knickers in a bunch over an innocuous comment and I've no idea why.

    My knickers are not in a twist I am in a quite happy mood at the moment I am just trying to break it to people who are still out of work that we NEED to get the country running again.

    As regards the builders they are grown adults on their break not company time there is nothing that can be done about it let us be realistic.


  • #5217
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    kaisersose77 wrote: »
    When are the likes of painters allowed back to work, June 29th?

    Surely yesterday? Are they not classed as construction workers?


  • #5218
    snowcat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭snowcat


    VonLuck wrote: »
    I don't know why you capitalised "their". Obviously it was their break.

    I didn't ask you to do anything about it, and why would I?

    I didn't give them a piece of my mind, why would I?

    I didn't call the guards, why would I?

    I didn't complain to the construction company, why would I?

    I wouldn't say I'm worried about the situation, but I merely made the observation that construction workers can congregate together, both inside and outside of construction sites. Construction sites need to be managed to avoid this happening. The last thing people want is for there to be any step back in measures.

    You seem to have gotten your knickers in a bunch over an innocuous comment and I've no idea why.

    I saw lidl workers out for a cigarette today outside their place of work right beside each other. Maybe even closer than the till positions. I will be reporting those essential workers to the Gardai and hope they get jailed.


  • #5219
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    The builders went back to work yesterday on THEIR break they went to spar and huddled together.

    What do you suggest I do about it?

    You seem them did you give them a piece of your mind?
    Did you call the Guards?
    Did you complain to the construction company?

    You seem to be worried about it.

    I'm not sure witch tread I posted this information on yesterday or the day before.
    Most builders are working in groups together ,traveling to work in the same groups together , having the same lunch breaks as the same groups.
    This is all to reduce the chances of spread of the virus through out a site.
    Each group will work the same shift ect


  • #5220
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    CinemaGuy45 wrote: »
    My knickers are not in a twist I am in a quite happy mood at the moment I am just trying to break it to people who are still out of work that we NEED to get the country running again.

    As regards the builders they are grown adults on their break not company time there is nothing that can be done about it let us be realistic.

    This poster said your knickers were in a twist which was a tad ironic I have to say given their own concern over reckless builders eating lunches outside


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  • #5221
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    snowcat wrote: »
    I saw lidl workers out for a cigarette today outside their place of work right beside each other. Maybe even closer than the till positions. I will be reporting those essential workers to the Gardai and hope they get jailed.

    Why stop at just jail?


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