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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #5732
    PaybackPayroll
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭PaybackPayroll


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you got a cold? Nothing strange in that. Many thousands pick up colds this time of year.

    Surely people shouldn't be catching colds now though?

    This is what scares me. If people can catch a cold, then they can also get Covid19. I would have thought all the social distancing etc, would also stop colds etc.


  • #5733
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    They say that so you don't hoard supplies. It's a way of them covering their asses 'well, we didn't prepare so now we don't have enough PPE for hospital workers. Oopsie'. If it wouldn't work they wouldn't be wearing it.
    At this point Aliexpress is discounting PPE, which sounds like there's no longer a shortage:
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33023797631.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.4399665d0pooJD&algo_pvid=db119cef-1244-42a4-a12a-fc494cfaf037&algo_expid=db119cef-1244-42a4-a12a-fc494cfaf037-0&btsid=0ab6fb8815898112816764957e3308&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
    Same goes for masks.

    It's not to stop anyone hoard supplies. It's because some people think wearing gloves makes them invincible, I've seen it in supermarkets they dont sanitize their hands they walk around with the gloves on pick up whatever, touch whatever and then get back into the car with the same gloves on. Anything on the glove has now been transferred to every surface they touch. You then come along with gloves on and touch the same surface and theres your domino effect.

    Cleaning you hands stops said effect and your more conscious that you need to wash them or use sanitizer


  • #5734
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I think there would be a market for an online grocery shop but ordering from a warehouse where the public doesn't go in and handle packagings etc.
    There might be but would people be prepared to pay the premium for it.


  • #5735
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    They say that so you don't hoard supplies.

    Well, that's your interpretation, but it's not the only interpretation. And they do explain the reasoning behind the advice.


  • #5736
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Were you tested?

    Scratch that. I get your point that you caught some infection despite your precautions. You're not saying it was Covid 19.


    Yes, that's my point.


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  • #5737
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    There is no such thing as a 'cold'. You need to come in contact with a virus.




    Runny nose, plugged up ears, fatigue.

    The common cold is a virus but we just shorten it to 'cold'. Runny nose , blocked ears , tiredness yep sounds like a cold. Best to wear a haz mat suit next time you go shopping just forget the gloves all you are doing is cross contamination of every surface you touch. Just sanitise your hands upon entrance and exit. Respect others.


  • #5738
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I think there would be a market for an online grocery shop but ordering from a warehouse where the public doesn't go in and handle packagings etc.

    Do the supermarkets pick your shopping off the public shelves? I though they filled those crates from their storerooms. I've never seen staff going around the supermarket taking things off the shelves into a trolley, seems like it would be an inefficient way of doing it.


  • #5739
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You mentioned it in your post.. gloves. A big no no for virus spread as another poster mentioned. The chances you got anything from packaging are extremely slim
    Why is that extremely slim?
    Stuff survives on plastic for a long time.


  • #5740
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    PaybackPayroll wrote: »
    Surely people shouldn't be catching colds now though?

    This is what scares me. If people can catch a cold, then they can also get Covid19. I would have thought all the social distancing etc, would also stop colds etc.

    Can catch a cold any time of year. I've got them in the height of summer. While social distancing and good hygiene greatly reduce the risk of infection they don't eliminate it. There's always a chance.


  • #5741
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Stuff survives on plastic for a long time.

    What does and how long?


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  • #5742
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    There is no such thing as a 'cold'. You need to come in contact with a virus.




    Runny nose, plugged up ears, fatigue.

    Any chance its a bit of hayfever? Tree pollen high enough this year


  • #5743
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Why is that extremely slim?
    Stuff survives on plastic for a long time.

    If plastic packaging was a huge risk the numbers would have risen and not dropped . Then we all were shopping during the lockdown and yet the numbers dropped .


  • #5744
    Gregor Samsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Why is that extremely slim?
    Stuff survives on plastic for a long time.

    Because you need an "infectious dose" to catch the virus. The chances of you picking up the level of virus to give you an infectious dose from touching your shopping when you get home is extremely slim.

    To elaborate:

    The keypad on a payment terminal or ATM is something that a lot of people will touch. It's likely that the amount of virus particles on it will be high if infected people are using them. Also, by their nature, in order to use them, you have to touch the exact same spot that other touch. This means that the chance of getting an infectious dose from such surfaces is relatively high. Same goes for thing like door handles and handrails.

    The amount of people that will have touched your orange juice carton is much lower. Also, the chance that you will touch the same spot they touched is lower. So the chance of picking up an infectious dose from such surfaces is relatively low.

    In short, not all surfaces are equal.


  • #5745
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Just don't touch your face!
    Also the frozen foods is generally a pack of sh1t. I like buying fresh as much as possible.


  • #5746
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Better self isolate for 14 days just incase.
    You don't want anyone else catching it.


  • #5747
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Gregor Samsa wrote: »
    Do the supermarkets pick your shopping off the public shelves? I though they filled those crates from their storerooms. I've never seen staff going around the supermarket taking things off the shelves into a trolley, seems like it would be an inefficient way of doing it.

    I don't know how it works behind the scenes in the shops that do the online groceries.


  • #5748
    Rob A. Bank
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's not to stop anyone hoard supplies. It's because some people think wearing gloves makes them invincible, I've seen it in supermarkets they dont sanitize their hands they walk around with the gloves on pick up whatever, touch whatever and then get back into the car with the same gloves on. Anything on the glove has now been transferred to every surface they touch. You then come along with gloves on and touch the same surface and theres your domino effect.

    Cleaning you hands stops said effect and your more conscious that you need to wash them or use sanitizer

    And i would wager that a lot of other people do NOT 'think wearing gloves make them invincible'.

    This ridiculous excuse from the HSE ranks up there with cloth masks causing allergies and paracetamol being a reason for not screening arrivals at airports.

    My bull**** meter gets overworked every time I listen to the CMO and his crew.


  • #5749
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    There is no such thing as 'a cold'. To get infected you need to come in contact with a virus.

    Are you still refusing to accept the potential of infection from other sources SheepSh4GGER?


  • #5750
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    It's not to stop anyone hoard supplies. It's because some people think wearing gloves makes them invincible, I've seen it in supermarkets they dont sanitize their hands they walk around with the gloves on pick up whatever, touch whatever and then get back into the car with the same gloves on. Anything on the glove has now been transferred to every surface they touch. You then come along with gloves on and touch the same surface and theres your domino effect.

    Cleaning you hands stops said effect and your more conscious that you need to wash them or use sanitizer
    If there's one thing I hate bout the government here is the constant patronizing. It's like the public needs to be treated like children. They assume everyone has 90 IQ.


  • #5751
    kowloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,722 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Saw this before/after of a healthy guy who caught the virus and how much it took from him.

    S27SJwf.jpg


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  • #5752
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kowloon wrote: »
    Saw this before/after of a healthy guy who caught the virus and how much it took from him.

    S27SJwf.jpg

    It's only the flu says people.


  • #5753
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's only the flu says people.

    Or maybe it's the steroids he stopped taking?


  • #5754
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's only the flu says people.

    He looks 10 years younger now!


  • #5755
    Princess Calla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Princess Calla


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I think there would be a market for an online grocery shop but ordering from a warehouse where the public doesn't go in and handle packagings etc.

    Before this started I thought online deliveries came directly from the warehouse. Especially in Dublin.

    I didn't realise it was picked by the store and sent on its way. A delivery to store and then another dispatch to customers seems very inefficient... Again especially in Dublin...also thinking tesco as its not made up of franchises.

    It must be cost effective to do it this way, just seems strange.


  • #5756
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    kowloon wrote: »
    Saw this before/after of a healthy guy who caught the virus and how much it took from him.

    S27SJwf.jpg

    So the virus can affect people mildly or severely? And?


  • #5757
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What does and how long?
    If you say sneeze in an aisle then the virus can survive on packaging. So on plastic it can be a week, on cardboard it can be 2 days.
    Gottlieb and Fauci in US say the COVID virus going around is 'very sticky'.
    (I'm not saying it was COVID)


  • #5758
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's only the flu says people.
    Who says it's only a flu? In the early days yes, now I haven't seen anyone except you make that claim.


  • #5759
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭quokula


    blade1 wrote: »
    He looks 10 years younger now!

    I was going to say, am I the only one who thinks he looks healthier in the "after" picture - maybe the affects of six weeks off the steroids.


  • #5760
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    If you say sneeze in an aisle then the virus can survive on packaging. So on plastic it can be a week, on cardboard it can be 2 days.
    Gottlieb and Fauci in US say the COVID virus going around is 'very sticky'.
    (I'm not saying it was COVID)

    The virus can survive on plastic for a week? You're going to have to back that claim up with some evidence.
    Sticky because it is encased in a lipid. Which is why you are asked to sanitise your hands which breaksdown the shell on the virus. People wearing gloves such as yourself cross contaminate every surface you touch.


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  • #5761
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,458 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Who says it's only a flu?

    President of Brazil.

    "little flu" was the term I think.


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