Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Boggles wrote: »

We won't know for 2 weeks to a month the impact that matters is TBF. I don't don't there will be grid lock traffic, might get a bit dodgy on certain public routes.

But essentially all service providers are opening tomorrow. Mechanical, Electrical, IT, Building.

"Hardware Stores" is just such a wide scope of a sector, everything basically is opening, floor shops, stove shops, tile shops, paint, etc.

It's not just concrete and lumber stores. Also the advice is, if you can't work from home go back to work, so there will be a lot besides heading back in the morning.

Tomorrow is a very big step and this week will be a lot harder on women especially trying to keep the kids entertained for the first time by themselves, luckily the weather is to remain decent.

The sectors reopening are very much dominated by men.

Listen to John Boy Walton.

Stheno wrote: »

If you live next door to them and are in houses, have you not even had a distanced chat? My neighbours have been cocooning since February and we've had plenty of chats from either side of the wall about all sorts probably more ten than six feet apart

Yesterday one of them was clearing trees higher than our wall and as I was lieing out the other side of the garden we'd quite a pleasant chat

Hate to break it to you, but your neighbour is a peeping Tom.

froog wrote: »

what beach was that? i find it hard to believe to be honest.

also what a weird thing to make up.

I'm not sure about the message or the no-swimming, but by co-incidence was just reading:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/17/freedom-for-greek-beachgoers-under-drones-watchful-eye-lockdown-italy-europe-tourism

froog wrote: »

what beach was that? i find it hard to believe to be honest.

also what a weird thing to make up.

Never mind. By Hector’s own admission, he’s off in Spain, exaggerating.

Roger_007 wrote: »

Does anyone find it very odd that when Covid deaths are announced every day, condolences are offered by public officials and on mainstream and social media.
On any given day about 30 people will die from cancer and another 40 or so from cardiovascular disease and another 15 or 20 from various other causes. No public official offers any condolences. No mention of it is made in the media.
This was brought home to me last week when a cousin mine, (a woman in her fifties), died from cancer. Only her immediate family could attend the funeral, a sad and lonely affair.
Obviously these deaths don’t really matter any more.

I find it odd that someone would try to make a point of this..

cancer is an ever present in society... that doesn't mean that their deaths are a lesser death to those involved but numbers are important during a pandemic when the state is navigating a course to some sort of endgame... It would be rather heartless to speak of people's deaths in purely numeric terms without offering some sort of consoling words.. It costs nothing.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.

Roger_007 wrote: »

Does anyone find it very odd that when Covid deaths are announced every day, condolences are offered by public officials and on mainstream and social media.
On any given day about 30 people will die from cancer and another 40 or so from cardiovascular disease and another 15 or 20 from various other causes. No public official offers any condolences. No mention of it is made in the media.
This was brought home to me last week when a cousin mine, (a woman in her fifties), died from cancer. Only her immediate family could attend the funeral, a sad and lonely affair.
Obviously these deaths don’t really matter any more.

No.

lawred2 wrote: »

I find it odd that someone would try to make a point of this..

cancer is an ever present in society... that doesn't mean that their deaths are a lesser death to those involved but numbers are important during a pandemic when the state's is navigating a course to some sort of endgame... It would be rather heartless to speak of people's deaths in purely numeric terms without offering some sort of consoling words.. It costs nothing.

I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make.

It’s very likely that Covid will be with us for a very long time. The WHO think so anyway. People will continue to die from it, hopefully in smaller numbers, (something like flu deaths).
It is doubly traumatic for families now where deaths occur because of the absence of the usual formalities of wakes and funeral services etc.
Perhaps when offering condolences for Covid deaths, public officials could add “......and condolences to the families of all the other people who died today”.
That would cost nothing either.

Roger_007 wrote: »

Does anyone find it very odd that when Covid deaths are announced every day, condolences are offered by public officials and on mainstream and social media.
On any given day about 30 people will die from cancer and another 40 or so from cardiovascular disease and another 15 or 20 from various other causes. No public official offers any condolences. No mention of it is made in the media.
This was brought home to me last week when a cousin mine, (a woman in her fifties), died from cancer. Only her immediate family could attend the funeral, a sad and lonely affair.
Obviously these deaths don’t really matter any more.

Are you saying they should say RIP to everyone who dies everyday? Yeh it's just a bit of meaningless PR I wouldn't read too much into it, but of coursethe other deaths still matter, but they are just common and what we are used to, and theres nothing we can do about them. COVID is a two month old cause of death in Ireland that been varying between number 1, 2 and 3rd position for leading cause of deathin the country in the last two months and it is one where public initiative can have a large impact on the number of people who die from it, whereas nobody can do much about cancer.

Sorry to hear about your cousin, she was was way too young

Roger_007 wrote: »

It’s very likely that Covid will be with us for a very long time. The WHO think so anyway. People will continue to die from it, hopefully in smaller numbers, (something like flu deaths).
It is doubly traumatic for families now where deaths occur because of the absence of the usual formalities of wakes and funeral services etc.
Perhaps when offering condolences for Covid deaths, public officials could add “......and condolences to the families of all the other people who died today”.
That would cost nothing either.

Here's the media briefing for road deaths in 2019. Shane Ross offered his condolences to those who died on the roads before discussing the statistics:

https://www.rsa.ie/en/Utility/News/2020/4-Rise-in-Road-Deaths-Recorded-in-2019/

Mr. Shane Ross, Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport said, “Firstly I want to express my deepest condolences to the families of those who have died on Ireland’s roads in 2019, and not forgetting the many hundreds who have suffered serious injury. The only way to respond to these needless deaths and injuries on our roads is through action not words

Does this somehow take away from all the other people who died in 2019? Would it make any sense for him to say "Firstly I want to express my deepest condolences to the families of those who have died on Ireland’s roads in 2019, and not forgetting the many hundreds who have suffered serious injury. And of course all the other thousands people who died from other causes, or were injured by other means."?

Roger_007 wrote: »

You obviously have no idea what it means to a family to have to bury a family member with no formalities and no friend or neighbour to console them. In the case I’m talking about there were six family members in the graveyard who had to travel in three separate cars and then go their separate ways after ten minutes.
I think it might be worthy of mention, even if only in a collective way.

My Dad died on May 1st. We couldn't have the service for 4 days, because the crematorium was booked up with so many deaths. There was no full funeral, no wake, no removal. We travelled in our own cars. I didn't get to see him after he died. I had to travel 200km for the 15 minute service - which I had to video record myself so that family could see it - , wondering if I was going to be stopped to explain myself at Garda checkpoints, and then head straight back home after. Not a single person has been able to call to my house to console me. We had 8 people at the funeral. I know exactly what it's like. It's fecking hell. I feel like I've no proof that he died, that we went through a mock ceremony of some sort. I still keep on thinking that I need to call him or that I'll go and see him once restrictions are lifted, and then I have to snap myself back to reality - a reality that doesn't seem real.

I then had to travel the 200km back to pick up his Death Notification Form so I can register the death, because the Doctor wouldn't do it, and wouldn't post the document to me, as they said it couldn't be re-issued if it got lost. I don't even know if that's true or not, but I just didn't have the energy to argue.

So yeah, I know exactly what it's like. First hand.

I still don't think it's appropriate or necessary for our Chief Medical Officer to have to offer his condolences to everyone who died of anything every day while he's talking about the specific issue of Covid 19.