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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • #5402
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,990 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Unfortunately there is a large degree of denial and minimising of the situation not based on any fact or science either though which will only lead to complacency and a repeat of the outbreaks across Europe in March.

    Complacency will lead to new outbreaks as severe as the ones from two months ago? What scientific fact is that based off of?


  • #5403
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Hold on a minute. You seriously expect the vast majority of the world to perpetually put their lives on hold

    Relax there Captain Hyperbole.

    We are on a phased reopening starting tomorrow.


  • #5404
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    Relax there Captain Hyperbole.

    We are on a phased reopening starting tomorrow.

    To be fair nothing changes tomorrow for the vast majority of people. It's at least another 3 weeks before theres any sort of meaningful reopening. Another 3 weeks of basically being told stay at home and within 5k.

    Our phased reopening will take 3 months which is the upper end of extremely conservative which isn't a good thing when you need public compliance


  • #5405
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    growleaves wrote: »
    Complacency will lead to new outbreaks as severe as the ones from two months ago? What scientific fact is that based off of?

    We do not as yet know how severe future outbreaks will be, one way or the other. It would seem wise to avoid complacency.

    R0 of the virus will be closely monitored as restrictions are lifted, along with hospitalisation and ICU numbers. Do you honestly believe restrictions won't be re-imposed if the numbers start heading north ?


  • #5406
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Hold on a minute. You seriously expect the vast majority of the world to perpetually put their lives on hold, and not travel anywhere, or adopt quasi permanent mask wearing and other restrictions, to protect those who are vulnerable? Life doesn't work like that, we are currently in lockdown/social distancing to enable the health service cope.
    In Asian countries, wearing masks has been considered a public responsibility for decades. Populations here are growing and it's clearly necessary to drop this dumb mindset that the weak need to be weeded out of society by brave vigilantes taking it upon themselves to quickly spread this incredibly dangerous and unknown virus.

    I can't believe I'm having to explain that it's not alright to be responsible for the deaths of many people who otherwise could have a perfectly fine quality of life for many years, what age are you?? You must be of very robust health to be so reckless, long may it last I suppose.


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  • #5407
    bekker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭bekker


    growleaves wrote: »
    If he comes back from holiday and quarantines for 14 days then he doesn't need your "consent".
    Sorry you wilfully misunderstand English usage, but if one comes back and pays for own self-isolation and a test at end of 14 days which proves negative, then no problem with that.


  • #5408
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    s1ippy wrote: »
    In Asian countries, wearing masks has been considered a public responsibility for decades. Populations here are growing and it's clearly necessary to drop this dumb mindset that the weak need to be weeded out of society by brave vigilantes taking it upon themselves to quickly spread this incredibly dangerous and unknown virus.

    I can't believe I'm having to explain that it's not alright to be responsible for the deaths of many people who otherwise could have a perfectly fine quality of life for many years, what age are you?? You must be of very robust health to be so reckless, long may it last I suppose.

    You do realise that the main reason that Asian countries have worn face masks for so long is the extremely high levels of air pollution in cities yes ?? Not just because of the spread of any potential virus


  • #5409
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    To be fair nothing changes tomorrow for the vast majority of people.

    I never suggested it did.

    But, there will be far more people out and about tomorrow and back to work.

    There is a wide range of services returning, seems to be a bit of misconception that it is just garden centers, hardware and some construction workers.

    From what I have read in the media they seem to be completely underestimating the amount returning.


  • #5410
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    growleaves wrote: »
    Complacency will lead to new outbreaks as severe as the ones from two months ago? What scientific fact is that based off of?

    If the population becomes complacent and ignores social distancing measures,why wouldn't the outbreaks be as bad? Very few people have immunity, so that will blunt the effects of a second wave very little , if at all


  • #5411
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    I never suggested it did.

    But, there will be far more people out and about tomorrow and back to work.

    There is a wide range of services returning, seems to be a bit of misconception that it is just garden centers, hardware and some construction workers.

    From what I have read in the media they seem to be completely underestimating the amount returning.

    Oh yeah I dont disagree that theres going to be more people out and about tomorrow. You can see it building up the last week or so.

    I guess we'll only know come tomorrow morning rush hour what the actual impact is


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  • #5412
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,494 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Oh yeah I dont disagree that theres going to be more people out and about tomorrow. You can see it building up the last week or so.

    I guess we'll only know come tomorrow morning rush hour what the actual impact is

    We won't know for 2 weeks to a month the impact that matters is TBF. I don't don't there will be grid lock traffic, might get a bit dodgy on certain public routes.

    But essentially all service providers are opening tomorrow. Mechanical, Electrical, IT, Building.

    "Hardware Stores" is just such a wide scope of a sector, everything basically is opening, floor shops, stove shops, tile shops, paint, etc.

    It's not just concrete and lumber stores. Also the advice is, if you can't work from home go back to work, so there will be a lot besides heading back in the morning.

    Tomorrow is a very big step and this week will be a lot harder on women especially trying to keep the kids entertained for the first time by themselves, luckily the weather is to remain decent.

    The sectors reopening are very much dominated by men.


  • #5413
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    You do realise that the main reason that Asian countries have worn face masks for so long is the extremely high levels of air pollution in cities yes ?? Not just because of the spread of any potential virus
    You're correct, they wear them because of a combination of spirituality, disease prevention and pollution. As much to protect themselves as to protect others.

    If you don't have enough self-preservation to see that as even more of a reason to wear one then I'm not going to try and convince you.


  • #5414
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,746 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So do nothing for the rest of one's life incase you spread something to another person? Can you not see how ridiculous your comment is?

    The rest of one's life? I doubt Covid 19 is going to be here for the rest of one's life.

    But, while it's here, we should do what we can to limit its effects on everyone, instead of being just, you know, completely selfish cunts. ;)

    And you call my comment "ridiculous".


  • #5415
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,746 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Hold on a minute. You seriously expect the vast majority of the world to perpetually put their lives on hold,

    It's been a few months. Chill the fuck out.

    Nobody is suggesting doing anything "perpetual" or "permanent".

    Silly nonsense.


  • #5416
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So do nothing for the rest of one's life incase you spread something to another person? Can you not see how ridiculous your comment is?

    You'd wonder how nations got through wars when you see ****e like this written on here. Two months at home watching tv, any service and entertainment at the clikc of a button, all social contacts readily available to text/ring/video call , beautiful weather out, a very soft lockdown. How would we survive any actual adversity in a future event


  • #5417
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's been a few months. Chill the fuck out.

    Nobody is suggesting doing anything "perpetual" or "permanent".

    Silly nonsense.

    I'm not saying your suggesting this at all.

    But there is a few posters on here that would like to see everything be put on hold and lockdown until theres a vaccine or it just dies off if that ever happens.


  • #5418
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Good news Sunday friend in his 90s rang. They got results back all clear in local nursing home.
    Congratulations to staff, residents, familys, friends and locals, each of whom had a part to play. Keep the good work up.


  • #5419
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,746 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I'm not saying your suggesting this at all.

    But there is a few posters on here that would like to see everything be put on hold and lockdown until theres a vaccine or it just dies off if that ever happens.

    I wasn't replying to you.


  • #5420
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    speckle wrote: »
    Good news Sunday friend in his 90s rang. They got results back all clear in local nursing home.
    Congratulations to staff, residents, familys, friends and locals, each of whom had a part to play. Keep the good work up.

    That's great to hear :)


  • #5421
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I wasn't replying to you.

    I know that and I was saying my reply wasn't aimed at you at all before I said that at the start if it.

    You just said nobody is looking for anything permanent etc but there are a handful on here who've made it quite clear that they wanted lockdown / restrictions to continue in current format until such vaccine.


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  • #5422
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    speckle wrote: »
    Good news Sunday friend in his 90s rang. They got results back all clear in local nursing home.
    Congratulations to staff, residents, familys, friends and locals, each of whom had a part to play. Keep the good work up.

    Excellent news for that nursing home. A badly needed good news story. I hope your friend is keeping well during it.


  • #5423
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Excellent news for that nursing home. A badly needed good news story. I hope your friend is keeping well during it.

    Yes they say that some of them have never received so many phonecalls in their life. Some people on pallative care there for cancer etc. Even young people at times there too. At least those on pallative care can make the best of the time that is left in peace.
    My heart stopped for a moment when I saw the call.
    So great that the phonecalls between my 90 year old friend and my cat can continue for a while yet!


  • #5424
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Good comparison of ‘facial coverings’.

    https://twitter.com/irishtimesvideo/status/1262036468320665602?s=21


  • #5425
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    s1ippy wrote: »
    In Asian countries, wearing masks has been considered a public responsibility for decades. Populations here are growing and it's clearly necessary to drop this dumb mindset that the weak need to be weeded out of society by brave vigilantes taking it upon themselves to quickly spread this incredibly dangerous and unknown virus.

    I can't believe I'm having to explain that it's not alright to be responsible for the deaths of many people who otherwise could have a perfectly fine quality of life for many years, what age are you?? You must be of very robust health to be so reckless, long may it last I suppose.

    Umm, "it's clearly necessary to drop this dumb mindset that the weak need to be weeded out of society" - where did I say that? I said they had to consider the risks faced themselves. I'm likely a good bit older than you by the way, it seems that the younger are more terrified about what the future holds.

    It's not the stated purpose of the lockdown to adopt the practices of asian countries and eliminate infections. Let's cancel any buffets too forever, too much chance of contamination. Why not wear hazmat suits while we are at it?

    I'm not saying that society doesn't have to take reasonable measures to protect the vulnerable. But the vulnerable have to take measures themselves too based on the risks presented. You sound like you'd like to fundamentally change the way we generally live in an attempt to protect anyone from dying. Majority of people do not get this virus, and majority of those who do recover. Those who are vulnerable should take precautions.

    The west has not taken any similar measures to protect people from the flu and plenty of other sicknesses. People die from that too.


  • #5426
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    .... and this week will be a lot harder on women especially trying to keep the kids entertained for the first time by themselves,...

    And it's lucky for these delicate damsels that captain boggles is looking out for their pretty little hides while their menfolk get back to work.
    Christ on a bike.


  • #5427
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Tony EH wrote: »
    It's been a few months. Chill the fuck out.

    Nobody is suggesting doing anything "perpetual" or "permanent".

    Silly nonsense.

    With all due respect Tony, I'm totally chilled about this to be honest. Like another poster mentioned, there are those here who want far more stringent measures taken, for quite a long time.

    Perpetual - varying meanings, the one I use is "occurring repeatedly; so frequent as to seem endless and uninterrupted." :)


  • #5428
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Hopefully will calm the minds of a few on here :)

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hazmatsuitandmask/emergency-mask-and-hazmat-suit


  • #5429
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,746 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I know that and I was saying my reply wasn't aimed at you at all before I said that at the start if it.

    You just said nobody is looking for anything permanent etc but there are a handful on here who've made it quite clear that they wanted lockdown / restrictions to continue in current format until such vaccine.

    That's still not "permanent".

    Look, we're less than 9 weeks into our half-assed "lockdown". Pulling ones hair out and banging on about permanent or perpetual states just sounds stupid.

    Fuck sake, people have been traction for longer.


  • #5430
    antietam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭antietam1


    It's all very well saying everything available in the home at the touch of a button, from March till November it's fishing and boating hill walking seeing the countryside etc for me and mine.
    Around here we have people coming into the country from abroad, I also see visitors starting to go into folks houses.
    Anyway I can only look after my own safety and just get on with, but it is frustrating to see people arriving here looking for work and I cant go more than a few k.


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  • #5431
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Tony EH wrote: »
    That's still not "permanent".

    Look, we're less than 9 weeks into our half-assed "lockdown". Pulling ones hair out and banging on about permanent or perpetual states just sounds stupid.

    Fuck sake, people have been traction for longer.

    to be clear, I completely agree with you, it's a short blip. Ok, "permanent" and "perpetual" is an exaggeration, but it sort of fitted, for me anyway, with what I sense from some on here, who appear to want some radical permanent and perpetual solution :)


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