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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4292
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,865 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As far as I know yes. 5km is only for exercise

    No, as far as I know it is both shops and exercise.


  • #4293
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    No, as far as I know it is both shops and exercise.

    It was never for shops, all along you could go to any shop any distance from your home.
    The 2km/5km rule was for exercise only. Sure some people don’t even live within 5km of a supermarket.


  • #4294
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Like I said, I know very little.of procurement outside medications but we are finding it difficult to source PPE. I don't care about myself really, it's the patients I'm.concerned for. Maybe it is the Hoses fault but people.bulk ordering PPE for a hair cut months in advance of opening makes it difficult to treat patients safely now

    If the HSE did proper business continuity planning they would have x amounts of months of PPE in storage

    And yes, I know the disposable PPE goes out of date. That's why if they did PROPER BCP they hav at least enough reusable PPE to last 3 months

    But like many other public healthcare providers they appear to have gotten caught short, lulled by the fact that MERS/SARS/Swine flu never took gold in the.West and so they failed to prepare

    Fail to prepare, prepare to.fail

    I can tell you, as can other posters on here, of multinationals who started preparing for thos at the end of January, with task forces.set up to source PPE, global travel bans for business purposes and mandatory two weeks.away from the office if you came back from e.g a skiing trip in.an affected.area

    The failings of multiple governments and public healthcare providers in this.regard, cannot be laid at the feet of private industry in this regard, particularly in a country like Ireland where we have one of the highest per capita spend in the EU if not the world on public healthcare, which is further subsidised by the 50% of the population whose private insurance is used to fund their public healthcare


  • #4295
    showpony1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭showpony1


    just reading back over this thread - i don't recall at any stage when this kicked off getting the impression in any way that i'd be walking into a barbers on May 5th (much to my horror). I can't see how hairdressers would have thought they'd be open for business then.


  • #4296
    showpony1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,495 ✭✭✭showpony1


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Saw two large groups of teenagers out on my walk. One group was very large, at least 20, they were Spanish. I thought most foreign students would have returned home. Looked like they were making a point of not social distancing, many sitting on each other's laps etc.

    The other group was just 4-5 people, though they were sitting extremely close together, like a few inches between each of them

    Garda was in the park and didn't say anything to either group. And I dont really care at this point, I think we need to just get on with normal life, but there is absolutely going to be a very widespread second wave, if you think the country is is going to maintain even a moderate amount of social distancing throughout the summer youre away with the fairies


    some posts here in this thread will have you believe literally nothing will happen to you if you're below 60 - then you've posts above as if teens shouldn't be within a mile of each other. most all over the place thread i've ever read.


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  • #4297
    CBear1993
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭CBear1993


    showpony1 wrote: »
    some posts here in this thread will have you believe literally nothing will happen to you if you're below 60 - then you've posts above as if teens shouldn't be within a mile of each other. most all over the place thread i've ever read.

    Will be interesting to see the amount of nosy neighbour *****hawks waiting for their local construction site to open tomorrow and post any little violation they can conjure up in their mind to social media.

    (Largely) Men going back to work to feed their families, meanwhile the actual perpetrators of this are the fat cat developers sitting in the head offices. The boots on the ground men have no choice as they have contractual obligations to fulfil.

    So think twice before we go on a rant on twitter about 2 lads 1.9m apart while lifting a load.


  • #4298
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,202 ✭✭✭amandstu


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    It was never for shops, all along you could go to any shop any distance from your home.
    The 2km/5km rule was for exercise only. Sure some people don’t even live within 5km of a supermarket.
    Surely not any distance.....only within reason.
    You couldn't get your groceries in Limerick if you lived in Cork

    Pretty sure you can't travel long distances to a Garden Centre for instance unless it is essential. (Have been told that, anyway)


  • #4299
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    amandstu wrote: »
    Surely not any distance.....only within reason.
    You couldn't get your groceries in Limerick if you lived in Cork

    Pretty sure you can't travel long distances to a Garden Centre for instance unless it is essential. (Have been told that, anyway)

    Our leaders have not been clear on this to be fair


  • #4300
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    showpony1 wrote: »
    some posts here in this thread will have you believe literally nothing will happen to you if you're below 60 - then you've posts above as if teens shouldn't be within a mile of each other. most all over the place thread i've ever read.

    I don't mind the teenagers mixing but 20 of them almost on top of each other (at least 6 couples sitting on laps) is taking the cake a bit considering the circumstances . I was just pretty surprised to see it, so early


  • #4301
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    You come across as one of these people that lives in the fantasy that we will have zero cases before restrictions can be lifted but thats not the case. All the curtain twitching and loud tutting in the world won't change the fact that as per the plan, people are supposed to get this virus.

    Selfish is expecting to continue an indefinite lockdown that the next several generations will pay for through debt slavery. As long as the vulnerable remain cucooned and the likes of nursing homes are protected then I'm glad to see people starting to get back to normal, the sooner and swifter the better imo.

    I come across as “ one of these people that lives in the fantasy that we will have zero cases before restrictions can be lifted but thats not the case “

    Would you like to kindly point out where I have said or implied this ?

    “All the curtain twitching and loud tutting in the world won't change the fact that as per the plan, people are supposed to get this virus.”

    People are supposed to get it ? Ok off you go and get it, let us know how you get on.

    “An indefinite lockdown ?”

    Sorry, I hate to break it to you but I’m not advocating an indefinite lockdown.

    :rolleyes:


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  • #4302
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hmmm. Were they still claiming the 350 euro a week whilst serving beer? Seems a bit.... fraudulent.

    All a business has to do is demonstrate that the impact on their business meets the criteria to qualify for the WSS and that the employee also qualifies. They can actually continue to work.


  • #4303
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Interesting news from the EU.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-urges-vigilance-to-avoid-coronavirus-second-wave-1.4255632?mode=amp


  • #4304
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Big issues on certain dublin bus routes this morning..services full after a few stops and queues at stops in the city.


  • #4305
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,099 ✭✭✭prunudo


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Big issues on certain dublin bus routes this morning..services full after a few stops and queues at stops in the city.

    As I've said for a while, the 2m social distancing rule can't work all of the time. Public transport for one can't function even remotely properly with it in place.


  • #4306
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    No, as far as I know it is both shops and exercise.

    After all this time people still getting this wrong :rolleyes:


  • #4307
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    It was never for shops, all along you could go to any shop any distance from your home.
    The 2km/5km rule was for exercise only. Sure some people don’t even live within 5km of a supermarket.

    As I had to experience first hand that statement appears not to be true.

    A member of AGS told me first hand that you can not go to any shop any distance from your home. Only if essential (whatever that means) and if you can't get your essential item closer to home.

    Of course members of AGS are not infallible either but I must assume they have been briefed properly and not telling me stuff they make up on the spot.


  • #4308
    jibber5000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 349 ✭✭jibber5000


    Driving early this morning in the west. Roads very busy, noticeable how many builders were about.

    Great to see.


  • #4309
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    One of the sensible aspects of the plan is to ask people who can remote work from home to do so. This will help with public transport capacity - and remote working needs to be a long term feature. We also need to create a national culture whereby if people are sick in any way whether having the common cold, the flu or any virus, then they should be staying at home and remote work if they are able.

    However, we do not have the capacity in the public transport system for buses/trains to be running with only 17% capacity. The 2metre distance (which is more than WHO recommends) will hold things back and we will need to up capacity. Healthy people will just need to get back to a relative normal. Vulnerable people will need to be protected and protect themselves.


  • #4310
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    As I had to experience first hand that statement appears not to be true.

    A member of AGS told me first hand that you can not go to any shop any distance from your home. Only if essential (whatever that means) and if you can't get your essential item closer to home.

    Of course members of AGS are not infallible either but I must assume they have been briefed properly and not telling me stuff they make up on the spot.




    way back 10 weeks ago the message was clear, 2km for exercise only, but travel further to shops was permitted. This meant you wouldn't be stuck doing your weekly shopping in the local Spar ! This was actually made clear by Leo Varadkar himself after a few people at the beginning were confused. I cant believe at this stage people still don't undertand that.

    Whether the Gardai decide to challenge you on what shops you go to and what you buy is up to them (I certainly hadn't heard this from anyone)
    ..........but if they did that I would challenge them back. Are they going to arrest you because you are driving to Lidl instead of Spar? I couldnt afford to do a weekly shop in Spar!
    You need to be prepared and have answers ready in case you're stopped at checkpoints.

    Having said that I drove from Louth to Kildare yesterday to visit my sister. Its 1.5 hours away and after 10 weeks of being on my own during this lockdown I had enough. Best thing ever! Get on with your lives


  • #4311
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    CBear1993 wrote: »
    Will be interesting to see the amount of nosy neighbour *****hawks waiting for their local construction site to open tomorrow and post any little violation they can conjure up in their mind to social media.

    (Largely) Men going back to work to feed their families, meanwhile the actual perpetrators of this are the fat cat developers sitting in the head offices. The boots on the ground men have no choice as they have contractual obligations to fulfil.

    So think twice before we go on a rant on twitter about 2 lads 1.9m apart while lifting a load.

    I agree with your general point on the curtain twitchers but those fat cat developers are building homes for people to live in and offices for people to work in. And believe me I am not a fan of some of these developers and their general behaviour.

    Many of these sites will not reopen as they are pretty much gone bust. Others need to open as otherwise they will not meet contractual deadlines, not receive payments for such, and perhaps even see projects stall - those workers will not have jobs.


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  • #4312
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Having said that I drove from Louth to Kildare yesterday to visit my sister. Its 1.5 hours away and after 10 weeks of being on my own during this lockdown I had enough. Best thing ever! Get on with your lives

    Run into any checkpoints on the motorway?

    I'll be making a 150km trip later on myself as after 8 weeks away to support family, I'm going home this afternoon.

    Have a letter from work to cover me anyway if needed (my place is on the way) but just wondering if AGS are out much at this point. I haven't seen anything where I am now, but I haven't been out very far either


  • #4313
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Run into any checkpoints on the motorway?

    I'll be making a 150km trip later on myself as after 8 weeks away to support family, I'm going home this afternoon.

    Have a letter from work to cover me anyway if needed (my place is on the way) but just wondering if AGS are out much at this point. I haven't seen anything where I am now, but I haven't been out very far either

    None!
    I drove down using M1, M50 and N7 - no checkpoints at all.
    Drove home via Kilcock, Trim, Navan and roads were clear.
    The only Garda car was on the outskirts of Clane as I was getting near my sisters house, but not stopping cars, just driving.

    My sister has just had to get a barring order against her husband so this was my genuine excuse if I needed one, she is vulnerable. Also I live alone and so does she. I didn't stop along the way either. People need to use common sense and get on with their lives. Fear is crippling people.

    The worse thing that can happen is that you are stopped and told to go home. (and if that happened I would have just gone on to the back roads anyway and continued on my trip)


  • #4314
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    One of the sensible aspects of the plan is to ask people who can remote work from home to do so. This will help with public transport capacity - and remote working needs to be a long term feature. We also need to create a national culture whereby if people are sick in any way whether having the common cold, the flu or any virus, then they should be staying at home and remote work if they are able.

    However, we do not have the capacity in the public transport system for buses/trains to be running with only 17% capacity. The 2metre distance (which is more than WHO recommends) will hold things back and we will need to up capacity. Healthy people will just need to get back to a relative normal. Vulnerable people will need to be protected and protect themselves.

    Just adding to this. Those who must be obeyed spent weeks saying masks were not needed (seemingly on the basis that people are too stupid to use them) - other countries who have quicker reopening strategies are making them mandatory and indeed supplying them. Why did we sit on our hands on this one?


  • #4315
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    None!
    I drove down using M1, M50 and N7 - no checkpoints at all.
    Drove home via Kilcock, Trim, Navan and roads were clear.
    The only Garda car was on the outskirts of Clane as I was getting near my sisters house, but not stopping cars, just driving.

    My sister has just had to get a barring order against her husband so this was my genuine excuse if I needed one, she is vulnerable. Also I live alone and so does she. I didn't stop along the way either. People need to use common sense and get on with their lives. Fear is crippling people.

    The worse thing that can happen is that you are stopped and told to go home. (and if that happened I would have just gone on to the back roads anyway and continued on my trip)

    Agree with you. I don't expect any issues. After all, if I was stopped the worst that can happen is I'm sent home - which is exactly where I am going. :)


  • #4316
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    Just adding to this. Those who must be obeyed spent weeks saying masks were not needed (seemingly on the basis that people are too stupid to use them) - other countries who have quicker reopening strategies are making them mandatory and indeed supplying them. Why did we sit on our hands on this one?

    Walked past a few buses this morning that were full to their current capacity. 1 or 2 wearing masks and most drivers not. People making up their own minds as was expected


  • #4317
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    Just adding to this. Those who must be obeyed spent weeks saying masks were not needed (seemingly on the basis that people are too stupid to use them) - other countries who have quicker reopening strategies are making them mandatory and indeed supplying them. Why did we sit on our hands on this one?

    Some autistic people can’t wear masks. Simon Harris brother owns a charity for autistic people. Someone told me that was part of the reason. Absolutely ridiculous


  • #4318
    Widescreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    Just adding to this. Those who must be obeyed spent weeks saying masks were not needed (seemingly on the basis that people are too stupid to use them) - other countries who have quicker reopening strategies are making them mandatory and indeed supplying them. Why did we sit on our hands on this one?

    Aren't they still sitting on their hands! If they want us to wear them tell us it is mandatory in certain situations, not just suggested.

    We shouldn't have to mess around making masks either for god's sake, they should be handed out in major stores and bus/train stations.

    What's so difficult about it! Things like that will keep the R rate below 1, they can't just keep putting us on lock down if the cases go up again, which unfortunately is what will happen.


  • #4319
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    Some autistic people can’t wear masks. Simon Harris brother owns a charity for autistic people. Someone told me that was part of the reason. Absolutely ridiculous

    I believe it should be obligatory to wear masks on public transport or crowds. But seeing that our Health Minister, Tony Holohan (who has made rules on EVERYTHING else!) and HSE have given wishy washy guidelines on them its up to individuals themselves to make that call.
    My daughter lives and works in London, they're no obligatory there either.

    As another OP said, people will make up their own minds. No point in calling them out about stuff there is no hard and fast rule about. Just do your best and get on with life.


  • #4320
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Agree with you. I don't expect any issues. After all, if I was stopped the worst that can happen is I'm sent home - which is exactly where I am going. :)

    In the past 2 month I have drove to my mothers house 100km away twice. Both times put work boots and clothes in the boot in case challenged, but only used them on one trip. And to me what I did was perfectly acceptable and within the guidelines. I was providing support to a vulnerable person. Being available to do jobs outside the house that she was no longer physically capable of, but would have tried to have done if I had not called, Potentially giving herself an injury and needing to go to hospital with all the attendant risks. You also cannot underestimate the importance of the emotional support that some people need. Living alone, with no outlet in your 70's can be a scary place. Calling to that person to show you are available if required while adhering to physical distancing and hygiene measure is definitely within the scope of providing support for a vulnerable person and should be encouraged not vilified


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  • #4321
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Walked past a few buses this morning that were full to their current capacity. 1 or 2 wearing masks and most drivers not. People making up their own minds as was expected

    I won't be wearing masks. I don't use public transport though, live alone, and tend not to get up close and personal with strangers in the shops.

    Plus, I don't buy into the hysteria around this whole thing and increasingly less worried as more information and declining numbers has emerged.

    I'll continue to wash my hands regularly, limit shopping trips (something I would do anyway as not a fan of it unless for cool stuff), limit distance as far as is practical, and will be at home most of the time anyway.

    But the time has come to start moving on and that's what I'll do.


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