Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

ArmaniJeanss

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Don't think that's true at all.
Europe in particular had a lost millennium from around 400AD to 1400AD. We basically forget all the advances of Roman/Greek society and went backwards or at best stagnated for 1000 years.

Not saying that covid causes that to happen again, but forward progress has never been a guarantee.

A lot of historians believe the Black Death was a significant contributor to the renaissance

WhiteMemento9

SusieBlue wrote: »

Source: Lockdown Ireland Group

Who is this now?

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

This is truly disappointing

"A Co Donegal bar has been forced to close its takeaway service after it was visited by gardaí at the weekend.

In recent weeks O’Flaherty’s Bar in Buncrana had been delivering pints of Guinness by car and even by bicycle on some occasions.

“We were swarmed by one undercover Garda, two patrol cars, one sergeant and one uniformed garda.”

“We can confirm that an operation was put in place as a result of public complaints. Alcohol was seized and a file on the matter will be sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/garda%C3%AD-stop-pub-s-pint-delivery-service-over-weekend-1.4255675

Poor businesses trying to survive, 10th of Aug cant come soon enough

Hmmm. Were they still claiming the 350 euro a week whilst serving beer? Seems a bit.... fraudulent.

Ginger n Lemon

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

Any ideas of when the Govt. may relax the 14 day quarantine period when returning from abroad?

Interesting that Italy have got rid of the 14 day quarantine period.

There are suspicions that the 14 day quarantine "law" is easily reversed should you end up in court. Similar rulings have had already happened.

PS there is EU law as well that grants you, as an EU citizen, good few powers then you move around EU, I think EU law could supersede but i am not solicitor

"BERLIN — A court in one German state has suspended rules requiring people arriving in the country after a stay abroad to self-quarantine for 14 days.

The decision announced Monday night by the upper administrative court in Lower Saxony applies only to that northern region. Judges acted on a complaint by a man who owns a holiday house in southern Sweden.

The court found there were no grounds for a blanket requirement for all people arriving from all countries to go into quarantine.
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SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Isn't that what you and your ilk spend your days doing?

Seasonal flu = COVID-19 brigade. Pretend like you can critically assess an academic paper.

I genuinely can’t understand why you are showing so much hostility and & passive aggression towards people simply for disagreeing with you.

You don’t get to talk down people just because you claim to be a doctor, your opinion here counts just as much as anyone else’s & doesn’t give you the right to belittle anyone or to bully them into submission just because you believe yourself to be right.
We’re allowed to disagree, we’re allowed to think differently to you, and being able to critically assess an academic paper is completely irrelevant on a forum aimed at the general population like this one. It doesn’t make you superior in any way.
This isn’t an academic discussion for doctors only.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

A lot of historians believe the Black Death was a significant contributor to the renaissance

Judging by the rabidness and false news on this thread. I don't have much hope for anything similar to happen now.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmmm. Were they still claiming the 350 euro a week whilst serving beer? Seems a bit.... fraudulent.

I'd be more worried about undercover gardai exposing mobile pubs pouring pints. (since there is no law against it)

Is crime at all time low? 0 crime for gardai to focus on in Donegal? No robberies? Donegal must be the place to be

bb1234567

Saw two large groups of teenagers out on my walk. One group was very large, at least 20, they were Spanish. I thought most foreign students would have returned home. Looked like they were making a point of not social distancing, many sitting on each other's laps etc.

The other group was just 4-5 people, though they were sitting extremely close together, like a few inches between each of them

Garda was in the park and didn't say anything to either group. And I dont really care at this point, I think we need to just get on with normal life, but there is absolutely going to be a very widespread second wave, if you think the country is is going to maintain even a moderate amount of social distancing throughout the summer youre away with the fairies

snowcat

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

Did you not read the rest of the post? He wants things packed again, doesn't give a crap about social distancing and thinks this is all one big joke. At least that troll post about Lidl has unmasked his postings. He has been one of the main people in this thread crying and winging about the lockdown when the reality is that the likes of him are one of the main reasons we are in lockdown and are having to be so cautious about reopening.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/thousands-queue-at-food-banks-in-madrid-as-the-coronavirus-crisis-takes-an-economic-toll-1.4255418

This is what happens when you deprive thousands of basic wage earners their income. This is not ireland where we throw 350 euro a week out at everyone. These are people who will starve if they can not feed their families.

Ginger n Lemon

SusieBlue wrote: »

I genuinely can’t understand why you are showing so much hostility and & passive aggression towards people simply for disagreeing with you.

You don’t get to talk down people just because you claim to be a doctor, your opinion here counts just as much as anyone else’s & doesn’t give you the right to belittle anyone or to bully them into submission just because you believe yourself to be right.
We’re allowed to disagree, we’re allowed to think differently to you, and being able to critically assess an academic paper is completely irrelevant on a forum aimed at the general population like this one. It doesn’t make you superior in any way.
This isn’t an academic discussion for doctors only.

I would have doubts about the "doctor" claim. Poster did mention that early cancer screening doesnt make any difference.

I dont know what kind of doctor would ever say such a thing.

I wont go into the "spike in cases" reported today by our doctor. That was just eye brow raising.

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

I genuinely can’t understand why you are showing so much hostility and & passive aggression towards people simply for disagreeing with you.

You don’t get to talk down people just because you claim to be a doctor, your opinion here counts just as much as anyone else’s & doesn’t give you the right to belittle anyone or to bully them into submission just because you believe yourself to be right.
We’re allowed to disagree, we’re allowed to think differently to you, and being able to critically assess an academic paper is completely irrelevant on a forum aimed at the general population like this one.
This isn’t an academic discussion for doctors only.

I'm not a doctor. I'm a pharmacist. I've never claimed to be a doctor. You are totally allowed to disagree but some debate that actually deals in facts would be useful.

I will call people out if they are spreading falsehoods/lying.

Ginger n Lemon

snowcat wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/thousands-queue-at-food-banks-in-madrid-as-the-coronavirus-crisis-takes-an-economic-toll-1.4255418

This is what happens when you deprive thousands of basic wage earners their income. This is not ireland where we throw 350 euro a week out at everyone. These are people who will starve if they can not feed their families.

Jesus, you are back with a bang. That is truly a devastating scene to see

bb1234567

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a doctor. I'm a pharmacist. I've never claimed to be a doctor. You are totally allowed to disagree but some debate that actually deals in facts would be useful.

I will call people out if they are spreading falsehoods/lying.

And you can do that without being condescending..

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I would have doubts about the "doctor" claim. Poster did mention that early cancer screening doesnt make any difference.

I dont know what kind of doctor would ever say such a thing.

I wont go into the "spike in cases" reported today by our doctor. That was just eye brow raising.

I can only say what I seen in my hospital. Glad to see that anybody who shows a bit of intelligence in this thread is considered to be a doctor.

stephenjmcd

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gardatop-pub-s-pint-delivery-service-over-weekend-1.4255675?mode=amp

Plenty of pubs doing it so not sure what exactly is illegal. Picked up dinner in my local pub last night and got a few pints takeaway with it.

Happy to pay a little more to support local businesses.

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

I can only say what I seen in my hospital. Glad to see that anybody who shows a bit of intelligence in this thread is considered to be a doctor.

We are either under reporting cases (again) or what you've seen is bunch of people with flu who you thought had covid or showed covid symptoms.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

We are either under reporting cases (again) or what you've seen is bunch of people with flu who you thought had covid or showed covid symptoms.

SARS-CoV-2 +, mate.

snowcat

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Jesus, you are back with a bang. That is truly a devastating scene to see

Yes i Have ties and friends there from living there. They have had none of the supports that we had here. For the south of Spain this is catastrophic on a scale that has never been seen as their lives are dependent on tourism.

Rodin

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I would have doubts about the "doctor" claim. Poster did mention that early cancer screening doesnt make any difference.

I dont know what kind of doctor would ever say such a thing.

I wont go into the "spike in cases" reported today by our doctor. That was just eye brow raising.

Breast Check has not been successful.
The major issue being that many women have had unnecessary treatment.

Mr rebel

bb1234567 wrote: »

Saw two large groups of teenagers out on my walk. One group was very large, at least 20, they were Spanish. I thought most foreign students would have returned home. Looked like they were making a point of not social distancing, many sitting on each other's laps etc.

The other group was just 4-5 people, though they were sitting extremely close together, like a few inches between each of them

Garda was in the park and didn't say anything to either group. And I dont really care at this point, I think we need to just get on with normal life, but there is absolutely going to be a very widespread second wave, if you think the country is is going to maintain even a moderate amount of social distancing throughout the summer youre away with the fairies

Nope, most of the language students have part time jobs here.

Ginger n Lemon

snowcat wrote: »

Yes i Have ties and friends there from living there. They have had none of the supports that we had here. For the south of Spain this is catastrophic on a scale that has never been seen as their lives are dependent on tourism.

Devastating. I'd be very surprised if they continue their emergency state for another month and impose 14 day quarantine on all arrivals (who ll go in that case? for tourism).

weather is picking up too

ZX7R

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can only say what I seen in my hospital. Glad to see that anybody who shows a bit of intelligence in this thread is considered to be a doctor.

So your a pharmacist that works in a hospital,who heard hearsay from other people working in the hospital that there was a 300% increase of admittance of covid-19 patients Last night.
Like any workplace Chinese whispers sounds like you ended up hearing about the elephant at the end

SusieBlue

[Deleted User] wrote: »

SARS-CoV-2 +, mate.

This kind of patronising crap is doing you no favours, get over yourself.

snowcat

Mr rebel wrote: »

Nope, most of the language students have part time jobs here.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Saw two large groups of teenagers out on my walk. One group was very large, at least 20, they were Spanish. I thought most foreign students would have returned home. Looked like they were making a point of not social distancing, many sitting on each other's laps etc.

The other group was just 4-5 people, though they were sitting extremely close together, like a few inches between each of them

Garda was in the park and didn't say anything to either group. And I dont really care at this point, I think we need to just get on with normal life, but there is absolutely going to be a very widespread second wave, if you think the country is is going to maintain even a moderate amount of social distancing throughout the summer youre away with the fairies

You are perfectly entitled to go out with your household for exercise etc. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that 20 spaniards could be sharing a house together

ZX7R

ZX7R wrote: »

So your a pharmacist that works in a hospital,who heard hearsay from other people working in the hospital that there was a 300% increase of admittance of covid-19 patients Last night.
Like any workplace Chinese whispers sounds like you ended up hearing about the elephant at the end

Hmmm. Nice misconstruing of my messages. The hospital I work in had 300% increase in SARS-CoV-2 + cases.
Why would I hear it from anybody else, I was in work at the weekend. It was discussed at bronze command.

My hospital doesn't have transplant facilities (bone marrow excluded) but there isn't any Chinese whispers as in my relstion to my hospital, I seen the data about SARS-CoV-2 + and the person looking after the transplant patient, I spoke directly to. It came up as aside to clinical query I was contacted about.

Hope that's clears up your confusion.

niallo27

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Plenty of pubs doing it so not sure what exactly is illegal. Picked up dinner in my local pub last night and got a few pints takeaway with it.

Happy to pay a little more to support local businesses.

By few pints do you mean a few cans, genuine question.

SusieBlue

SusieBlue wrote: »

This kind of patronising crap is doing you no favours, get over yourself.

That's the name of the virus. How is that in anyway patronising?

snowcat

Mr rebel wrote: »

Nope, most of the language students have part time jobs here.

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmmm. Nice misconstruing of my messages. The hospital I work in had 300% increase in SARS-CoV-2 + cases.
Why would I hear it from anybody else, I was in work at the weekend. It was discussed at bronze command.

My hospital doesn't have transplant facilities (bone marrow excluded) but there isn't any Chinese whispers as in my relstion to my hospital, I seen the data about SARS-CoV-2 + and the person looking after the transplant patient, I spoke directly to. It came up as aside to clinical query I was contacted about.

Hope that's clears up your confusion.

We have no country in the world showing exponential increase in their cases irrespective of their lockdown policies or relaxation dates. The whole population of Belarus or Sweden should be eradicated soon by pro lockdown covid modellers.

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

This is truly disappointing

"A Co Donegal bar has been forced to close its takeaway service after it was visited by gardaí at the weekend.

In recent weeks O’Flaherty’s Bar in Buncrana had been delivering pints of Guinness by car and even by bicycle on some occasions.

“We were swarmed by one undercover Garda, two patrol cars, one sergeant and one uniformed garda.”

“We can confirm that an operation was put in place as a result of public complaints. Alcohol was seized and a file on the matter will be sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/garda%C3%AD-stop-pub-s-pint-delivery-service-over-weekend-1.4255675

Poor businesses trying to survive, 10th of Aug cant come soon enough

growleaves wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gardatop-pub-s-pint-delivery-service-over-weekend-1.4255675?mode=amp

Gardai in Donegal possibly taking the piss?

I don't believe you, not one bit. /s

Alf Veedersane

[Deleted User] wrote: »

SARS-CoV-2 +, mate.

The poster was referring to the disease, not the virus, so no correction needed.