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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4082
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    Stark wrote: »
    Disgraceful, all those people out and about flouting social distancing. People are getting compacent, Joe.

    https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/ireland/leinster/dublin/dublin-o-connell-street.html

    It is like Christmas Day on O’Connell street in Dublin.


  • #4083
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Stark wrote: »
    Disgraceful, all those people out and about flouting social distancing. People are getting compacent, Joe.

    well it is a wet day :P


  • #4084
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    fryup wrote: »
    i use this webcam as my gauge...what'd reckon more people about?
    I think it's all about the moment you are out there or look out. There may be more than the eerie early days but not in the enormous numbers some are claiming.


  • #4085
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    average_runner wrote: »
    And will they moan if another lockdown happens as a result?

    Expect a lot more moaning instead about the consequences of this ridiculous extended lockdown over the next few years.

    A likely refreeze on recruitment in HSE, and intake at Templemore, to name two among others in the firing line.

    You might be in a ‘safe’ industry and enjoying the slower pace of life now - but when there’s no funding for your children’s local sports teams and amenities, no money to fix your local roads, higher college fees, huge difficulty in getting mortgages and loans, increased public travel costs, higher VAT on goods you buy, paying more USC, higher property tax, more social unrest due to increased rich/poor divide, and you call the Gardai in need of them but they can’t help you because they are even more under-resourced than before, you may begin to understand the long-term damage that extended lockdown will cause to society as a whole.

    Make no mistake, we will all be paying for a long time if roadmap is not rethought.


  • #4086
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    These are such small figures given that bank bailout is looming.

    If you're referring to a newspaper article about an impending bail out of Irish banks you need to do your homework better it is a very misinformed article it is based on a collective published article from the ICB , the ECB and independent banking institutes .
    Countercyclical capital buffer has been temporarily suspended to continue financing existing household and corporates experiencing temporary difficulty.
    The problem at the moment is the long term refinancing operations, Irish banks can borrow up to 20 billion from ECB or the TLTRO program at a low interest rates which had not been determined yet to start financing new finance for households loans.
    The only problem for Irish and European banks is the speed at which they can access this.
    So the reality is Irish banks are not in a need for a bail out from the Irish government or the IMF for that matter.


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  • #4087
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have been fully in favour of lockdown but at this stage is there any added benefit to us all staying home any longer? People need to take care of themselves and their immediate family and work colleagues. Wash hands, cough and sneeze etiquette. It's the new "common sense". Time to get on with life.

    One thing that absolutely has to change is public transport. We simply cant be expected to ram into buses, trains and luases. Do they have any plan for this? 2 months of lockdown youd expect them to have a plan in place but that would be too much to ask.

    How are they supposed to change public transport?? Irish rail, Dublin bus, luas all have full fleets out during peak hours so I'm not sure what exactly they can do. Full service will resume when more people go back to work but even at full service you can't and probably won't maintain social distancing on public transport.

    If people need to use public transport to move around I'd be pretty sure they'll be full again at some point


  • #4088
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    ZX7R wrote: »
    If you're referring to a newspaper article about an impending bail out of Irish banks you need to do your homework better it is a very misinformed article it is based on a collective published article from the ICB , the ECB and independent banking institutes .
    Countercyclical capital buffer has been temporarily suspended to continue financing existing household and corporates experiencing temporary difficulty.
    The problem at the moment is the long term refinancing operations, Irish banks can borrow up to 20 billion from ECB or the TLTRO program at a low interest rates which had not been determined yet to start financing new finance for households loans.
    The only problem for Irish and European banks is the speed at which they can access this.
    So the reality is Irish banks are not in a need for a bail out from the Irish government or the IMF for that matter.

    New finance for household loans? All well and good but people will not be borrowing if they have lost their jobs.

    Irish banks have not been keen on low interest borrowing compared to their EU compatriots.

    We do need a stimulus but there are already a series of businesses who are either gone now or trading insolvent.


  • #4089
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,965 ✭ [Deleted User]


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    How are they supposed to change public transport?? Irish rail, Dublin bus, luas all have full fleets out during peak hours so I'm not sure what exactly they can do. Full service will resume when more people go back to work but even at full service you can't and probably won't maintain social distancing on public transport.

    If people need to use public transport to move around I'd be pretty sure they'll be full again at some point
    There is full and there is rammed way beyond capacity. I mean literally rammed, people passing out etc. I'm specifically targeting the luas. A bus can refuse to take people on, the luas needs people at each stop during peak policing the numbers who can board a tram. Fcuk the virus, they need this anyway. Its basic health and safety standards.


  • #4090
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    New finance for household loans? All well and good but people will not be borrowing if they have lost their jobs.

    Irish banks have not been keen on low interest borrowing compared to their EU compatriots.

    We do need a stimulus but there are already a series of businesses who are either gone now or trading insolvent.

    I hope for their sake they aren’t still trading so. Pretty stiff penalties for that.


  • #4091
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    ZX7R wrote: »
    If you're referring to a newspaper article about an impending bail out of Irish banks you need to do your homework better it is a very misinformed article it is based on a collective published article from the ICB , the ECB and independent banking institutes .
    Countercyclical capital buffer has been temporarily suspended to continue financing existing household and corporates experiencing temporary difficulty.
    The problem at the moment is the long term refinancing operations, Irish banks can borrow up to 20 billion from ECB or the TLTRO program at a low interest rates which had not been determined yet to start financing new finance for households loans.
    The only problem for Irish and European banks is the speed at which they can access this.
    So the reality is Irish banks are not in a need for a bail out from the Irish government or the IMF for that matter.


    I never said it will happen today or tomorrow, but by mid July if we go at the pace we are going now - you ll have plenty of people defaulting on their mortgages AND plenty of businesses defaulting on their loans especially the minute mortgage freeze / 350 euro runs out.

    This is precisely when Irish banks will stretch their 20bn borrowings from ECB and then ask for help. Help from Irish government btw, from you and me.

    PS interest rates are at all time low, banks are not in for a good time regardless but these defaulting loans and mortgages will accelerate the process.

    Precisely why the "roadmap" needs to be revisited asap


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  • #4092
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    Benimar wrote: »
    I hope for their sake they aren’t still trading so. Pretty stiff penalties for that.

    Yes - technically trading insolvent - but the State payment keeping them alive. A subsidy which can only be temporary.


  • #4093
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    I never said it will happen today or tomorrow, but by mid July if we go at the pace we are going now - you ll have plenty of people defaulting on their mortgages AND plenty of businesses defaulting on their loans especially the minute mortgage freeze / 350 euro runs out.

    This is precisely when Irish banks will stretch their 20bn borrowings from ECB and then ask for help. Help from Irish government btw, from you and me.

    PS interest rates are at all time low, banks are not in for a good time regardless but these defaulting loans and mortgages will accelerate the process.

    Precisely why the "roadmap" needs to be revisited asap

    Where are you getting 20 billion from, chum?


  • #4094
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where are you getting 20 billion from?

    Original poster

    Chum <3<3<3

    How did you guys deal with the spike given that you have 70% free capacity? All good I hope?


  • #4095
    SNNUS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 787 ✭✭✭SNNUS


    fryup wrote: »
    well it is a wet day :P

    Default Galway weather.


  • #4096
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Okay, so WHO top chief scientist says below

    Dr Soumya Swaminathan, chief scientist at the World Health Organisation, was asked on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show about the risks posed to children by the virus.

    “It does seem from what we know now that children are less capable of spreading it even if they get the infection, and certainly are at very low risk of getting ill from the disease,” she said.

    With more countries contemplating allowing schools to reopen, Swaminathan said the experience of those that had done so already was encouraging.

    “What we have seen in countries where schools have remained open is that there have not been big outbreaks in schools and, where there have, they have often been associated with events […] where a lot of people gather, not in regular classrooms,” she told Marr.

    Lets hope this is read by minister for education and the scare mongering of primary school pupils wearing PPE / damaging social distancing goes away.


  • #4097
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,779 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have been fully in favour of lockdown but at this stage is there any added benefit to us all staying home any longer? People need to take care of themselves and their immediate family and work colleagues. Wash hands, cough and sneeze etiquette. It's the new "common sense". Time to get on with life.

    One thing that absolutely has to change is public transport. We simply cant be expected to ram into buses, trains and luases. Do they have any plan for this? 2 months of lockdown youd expect them to have a plan in place but that would be too much to ask.

    Work colleagues, who and why would you need to take care of your work colleagues ?

    I take care of family yes.. immediate family..

    I can take care of myself without lockdown or social distancing being kicked.


  • #4098
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I have been fully in favour of lockdown but at this stage is there any added benefit to us all staying home any longer? People need to take care of themselves and their immediate family and work colleagues. Wash hands, cough and sneeze etiquette. It's the new "common sense". Time to get on with life.

    One thing that absolutely has to change is public transport. We simply cant be expected to ram into buses, trains and luases. Do they have any plan for this? 2 months of lockdown youd expect them to have a plan in place but that would be too much to ask.

    One of the plans is that those businesses who can still allow remote working should - which is good.

    They were encouraging people to cycle which I think is a great idea, but the problem is that bike shops are shut.


  • #4099
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    One of the plans is that those businesses who can still allow remote working should - which is good.

    They were encouraging people to cycle which I think is a great idea, but the problem is that bike shops are shut.
    Think they are a part of Phase 1, i.e. tomorrow!


  • #4100
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    MrDavid1976 wrote: »
    New finance for household loans? All well and good but people will not be borrowing if they have lost their jobs.

    Irish banks have not been keen on low interest borrowing compared to their EU compatriots.

    We do need a stimulus but there are already a series of businesses who are either gone now or trading insolvent.

    Irish banks won't have a choice they will borrow at low interest rates.
    House hold finance is very important, it's a form of direct investment in a way those who are working will get the finance with is nearly instantly infested back into the economy which inturn can directly lead to the creation of new employment in existing areas or new area's.
    Business trading insolvency any stats to back that up


  • #4101
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    chum?
    No need to reply with this


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  • #4102
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Must ve been a highly infectious flu then.

    "Jacqueline Bock, part of the German volleyball team, told The Mail on Sunday how she and her colleagues contracted Covid-19 at the event in the city.

    ‘After a few days, some athletes from my team got ill,’ she said. I got sick in the last two days.’

    Miss Bock’s father also became ill a few weeks after her return.

    ‘I have never felt so sick,’ she said.

    ===

    It comes after French pentathlete Elodie Clouvel, 31, claimed she and her 27-year-old partner Valentin Belaud contracted the virus at the Games. Italian fencer Matteo Tagliariol also said everyone in his Wuhan apartment fell ill with ‘symptoms that looked like those of Covid-19’, which later spread to the 37-year-old’s son and girlfriend."

    Believe it or not flu is highly infectious. Especially when confined in shared accommodation. If the number of people proported to have brought it back from the military games, the impact on the health systems would have been seen in November/ December


  • #4103
    MrDavid1976
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭MrDavid1976


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Think they are a part of Phase 1, i.e. tomorrow!

    That’s good news. It was repair only under the original plan.

    The following list of retailers can open: hardware stores, builders merchants and those providing essential supplies and tools for gardening, farming and agriculture; garden centres and farmers markets; Opticians/Optometrists/Outlets providing hearing test services, selling hearing aids and appliances; retailers involved in the sale, supply and repair of motor vehicles, motorcycles and bicycles and related facilities (e.g. tyre sales and repairs); office products and services; electrical, IT and phone sales, repair and maintenance services for home. This does not include homeware stores.


  • #4104
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Interestingly, the hospital I work in had a huge spike in covid-19 cases on Friday+Saturday.

    How many cases is a 300% rise? Cases have gone way down so you must have been unlucky and most of them ended up in your hospital.


  • #4105
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Interestingly, the hospital I work in had a huge spike in covid-19 cases on Friday+Saturday.

    Give us a bit more info there!


  • #4106
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,965 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Strumms wrote: »
    Work colleagues, who and why would you need to take care of your work colleagues ?

    I take care of family yes.. immediate family..

    I can take care of myself without lockdown or social distancing being kicked.
    As in have a bit of respect and wash your hands, cover your mouth etc. Personally I will be calling anyone out who does not take necessary precautions and puts me at risk as a result.


  • #4107
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    How many cases is a 300% rise?

    If you had 1 on Thursday and 4 on Friday its a 300% increase.

    Its like the smoke and mirrors information NPHET divulge each evening


  • #4108
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Personally I will be calling anyone out who does not take necessary precautions and puts me at risk as a result.

    Im curious as to how people will approach this in future.

    I dont imagine it will be a successful approach to call out others on not wearing a mask.


  • #4109
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Im curious as to how people will approach this in future.

    I dont imagine it will be a successful approach to call out others on not wearing a mask.

    Especially when they are 2 times your size.


  • #4110
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Just been in Corkagh park , people enjoying being out and being careful .Families dotted around far from each other , people avoiding each other on the path .Most nodding a friendly Hello and asking children to move in .That is what I see around me all the time and have never had an issue with crowds or blatant breaking of the rules


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  • #4111
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    As in have a bit of respect and wash your hands, cover your mouth etc. Personally I will be calling anyone out who does not take necessary precautions and puts me at risk as a result.

    Maybe they already had it. Why would someone recovered need to wear a mask?


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