Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ginger n Lemon

KrustyUCC wrote: »

64 cases is great progress

If we can see that level consistently it will put savage pressure on the government to ease restrictions earlier

Denmark had 158 new cases 1 day prior to opening schools on 14th of April and 215 new cases 1 day prior to opening barbers on 21st of April.

Perspective.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102237/coronavirus-cases-development-in-denmark/

is_that_so

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Was in Lidl earlier and there was no big 2 meter distanced line outside like there has frequently been. Walked inside and it was packed. Just like a typical day before Covid.

Couldn't even do the shop i went in for as there were people all over each other. Grabbed what was needed for the baby and to the till. The drinks aisle was packed and the queue at the till that goes up that one had zero space between people.

I asked the girl on the till why aren't they doing what they have been usually doing and she said head office told them they aren't doing it anymore. And they were told not to wear masks as they have screens. She said that customer should complain as their complaints won't have an effect.

Anyone else been in a Lidl today and noticed the social distancing measures not in place? Thought they had to be adhered to strictly. I'm no lockdown merchant and I think places can open up as long as guidelines as followed. But if one person had Covid in there today. They were probably spreading it all over the shop. I'll be switching from any shop that doesn't adhere to the protective measures.

No masks on anyone anywhere but access controlled as usual and good distancing all round. I'd agree on masks for staff, just a little bit absurd with the giant perspex in place.

is_that_so

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

64 new cases ? a poster here notified us of a spike in cases in his hospital.

spike downwards maybe.

Perhaps that nobel scientist predicting covid disappearing in Ireland by mid June was it? Seems like he may have called it right. just like he did with cases / deaths from China.

That spike seemed to be 18 people. That guy got a lot of his numbers wrong but dining out so to speak on China. Our cases were predicted to top out at 30,000 and 2.5K dead.

Ginger n Lemon

Notoriously disliked Swedish professor is back with some bad news and good news

"As the country prepares to lift the first wave of restrictions tomorrow, Professor Johan Giesecke, a senior epidemiologist and adviser to the director-general of the World Health Organisation (WHO), predicts Ireland will end up with the same case and death rate, per head of population, in line with every other country.

"I can tell you, Ireland has a lot of cases coming," he said. However, he stressed that people should not be afraid and, "for most people, this is a very mild disease"."

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/ireland-has-a-lot-more-cases-coming-warns-who-expert-overseeing-swedish-response-39211183.html

Fintan dont be afraid.

64 new cases.... Time to end the lockdown and start to salvage the economy. We need to do it now, not quarter of a year from now.

Literally nobody I know well has contracted COVID 19 so far. This is great because 2 months ago, I thought a lot of people I know (myself included) would have had it by now. Long may it last.

The only person I know (knew) who had it, he tested positive postmortem after a terrible death from cancer. The week he died, his consultant told him and the family that he had days left and the cancer had metastasised beyond control or remission. Now his family are undergoing legal action to have 'COVID 19' removed as the official cause of his death, because well, he died from cancer.

This happened weeks ago, and ever since then (and the CMO's clarification on how they are recording COVID deaths and what constitutes one) I have been taking those daily death numbers with a pinch of salt. I like that we have recorded and reported our COVID 19 deaths more thoroughly than the UK, but I feel with the likes of the above we have gone overboard in the opposite direction.

martingriff

KrustyUCC wrote: »

64 cases is great progress

If we can see that level consistently it will put savage pressure on the government to ease restrictions earlier

I say this is a given that they we going to do I be very surprised if there be very much in stage 4 & little in 5

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Literally nobody I know well has contracted COVID 19 so far. This is great because 2 months ago, I thought a lot of people I know (myself included) would have had it by now. Long may it last.

The only person I know (knew) who had it, he tested positive postmortem after a terrible death from cancer. The week he died, his consultant told him and the family that he had days left and the cancer had metastasised beyond control or remission. Now his family are undergoing legal action to have 'COVID 19' removed as the official cause of his death, because well, he died from cancer.

This happened weeks ago, and ever since then (and the CMO's clarification on how they are recording COVID deaths and what constitutes one) I have been taking those daily death numbers with a pinch of salt. I like that we have recorded and reported our COVID 19 deaths more thoroughly than the UK, but I feel with the likes of the above we have gone overboard in the opposite direction.

Oh boy. All of a sudden, the "died with covid" or "died off covid" discussions come to mind.

Apprntly in the US a hospital who proclaims covid death gets $13,000. question marks.

Just a note. Transplants are still taking place in the Republic. Was talking to a friend who was looking after a patient had heart/lung transplant last week. So that particular rumour is debunked.

Less transplants taking place as less people doing stupid ****.

SNNUS

SNNUS wrote: »

People like this scare me more than the virus..

https://twitter.com/sarahmagic5555/status/1262056879393570829

Probably can't get those pesky facemasks

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Just a note. Transplants are still taking place in the Republic. Was talking to a friend who was looking after a patient had heart/lung transplant last week. So that particular rumour is debunked.

Less transplants taking place as less people doing stupid ****.

Where are the spikes in cases? We were all worried.

ZX7R

KrustyUCC wrote: »

64 cases is great progress

If we can see that level consistently it will put savage pressure on the government to ease restrictions earlier

All that may happen is business been moved to open in earlier vases.
I can't see much relaxing of any of the social restrictions to be honest

Ginger n Lemon

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Where are the spikes in cases? We were all worried.

What do you do in the public service out of interest?

Arghus

Neamhshuntasach wrote: »

Was in Lidl earlier and there was no big 2 meter distanced line outside like there has frequently been. Walked inside and it was packed. Just like a typical day before Covid.

Couldn't even do the shop i went in for as there were people all over each other. Grabbed what was needed for the baby and to the till. The drinks aisle was packed and the queue at the till that goes up that one had zero space between people.

I asked the girl on the till why aren't they doing what they have been usually doing and she said head office told them they aren't doing it anymore. And they were told not to wear masks as they have screens. She said that customer should complain as their complaints won't have an effect.

Anyone else been in a Lidl today and noticed the social distancing measures not in place? Thought they had to be adhered to strictly. I'm no lockdown merchant and I think places can open up as long as guidelines as followed. But if one person had Covid in there today. They were probably spreading it all over the shop. I'll be switching from any shop that doesn't adhere to the protective measures.

Was working over the weekend in a similar environment. What you describe there seems accurate. Packed aisles at peak times, nearly indistinguishable from regular times tbh. I'd say about 5% - at most - were wearing facemasks.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Just a note. Transplants are still taking place in the Republic. Was talking to a friend who was looking after a patient had heart/lung transplant last week. So that particular rumour is debunked.

Less transplants taking place as less people doing stupid ****.

Hold on a minute, a random person on an anonymous online forum was talking to a random friend about a random patient getting a transplant.

Well thats that rumor put to bed I suppose

Strumms

Del Griffith wrote: »

It's natural enough that there will be complacency now when comparing the same people top week 1. Week 1 was peak panic. In contrast the dooms day numbers have not materialised, hospitals have not been overrun, etc. The curve has effectively been flattened.

Time to get the show on the road and that means people will be infected albeit it at a slower and more manageable pace, which is and always was inevitable and was the plan all along.

Natural in some people but not acceptable, complacency and carelessness as well as selfishness are the things that can fûck this up... so let’s not run with the ‘natural’ attitude, no excuses, for anyone.

Sexual Chocolate

Are garda powers brought in by Harris being extended after tomorrow or do they end tonight ?

Breezin

Sandymount and its road rammed today. It looked like a rock festival. I've never seen so many people there.
Is the lockdown itself creating chaotic concentrations of people?

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you do in the public service out of interest?

audit.

If I was to look at your predicted spikes in todays cases I'd say you work in mater hospital :pac:

exposed.

In all seriousness, are you surprised so few cases reported today? Could the people who you thought had covid had something else entirely?

Most importantly, do you see us lifting all lockdown restrictions by end of June?

CrankyHaus

Is the list of outdoor professions that can work from Tomorrow available anywhere?

The only thing I found on the government website was a false link purporting to lead to the list.

Ginger n Lemon

This is truly disappointing

"A Co Donegal bar has been forced to close its takeaway service after it was visited by gardaí at the weekend.

In recent weeks O’Flaherty’s Bar in Buncrana had been delivering pints of Guinness by car and even by bicycle on some occasions.

“We were swarmed by one undercover Garda, two patrol cars, one sergeant and one uniformed garda.”

“We can confirm that an operation was put in place as a result of public complaints. Alcohol was seized and a file on the matter will be sent to the Director of Public Prosecutions,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/garda%C3%AD-stop-pub-s-pint-delivery-service-over-weekend-1.4255675

Poor businesses trying to survive, 10th of Aug cant come soon enough

SusieBlue

This is the latest Irish table of statistics available, the county by county numbers are accurate to midnight Friday 15 May.

Of the 74 new cases:
- Monaghan +12
- Dublin +9
- Cork, Galway +6
- Cavan, Mayo, Limerick +5
- Longford, Kildare, Offaly +4
- Kilkenny +3
- 5 counties on +2
- 4 counties on +1
- 6 counties have ZERO new cases

Source: Lockdown Ireland Group

ArmaniJeanss

dubdaymo wrote: »

I don't think that Mankind has ever gone "backwards" before and no species has ever stopped mixing and mingling and sooner or later we are going to have to get back to "where we were".

Don't think that's true at all.
Europe in particular had a lost millennium from around 400AD to 1400AD. We basically forget all the advances of Roman/Greek society and went backwards or at best stagnated for 1000 years.

Not saying that covid causes that to happen again, but forward progress has never been a guarantee.

JimmyCorkhill

Any ideas of when the Govt. may relax the 14 day quarantine period when returning from abroad?

Interesting that Italy have got rid of the 14 day quarantine period.

growleaves

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/gardatop-pub-s-pint-delivery-service-over-weekend-1.4255675?mode=amp

However, O’Flaherty’s said gardai had been unable to tell them which law they were breaking.

growleaves

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Don't think that's true at all.
Europe in particular had a lost millennium from around 400AD to 1400AD. We basically forget all the advances of Roman/Greek society and went backwards or at best stagnated for 1000 years.

Not saying that covid causes that to happen again, but forward progress has never been a guarantee.

But even during the Dark Ages there were advances in technology, both military and agricultural.

Breezin

Breezin wrote: »

Sandymount and its road rammed today. It looked like a rock festival. I've never seen so many people there.
Is the lockdown itself creating chaotic concentrations of people?

Presume you've never actually been to a festival

sheepysheep

Good article here about coronavirus and different attitudes to mortality and its portrayal in the media.

https://unherd.com/2020/05/not-every-death-is-a-tragedy/

snowcat

KrustyUCC wrote: »

64 cases is great progress

If we can see that level consistently it will put savage pressure on the government to ease restrictions earlier

Glad to have served my 1 week sentence. I enjoyed it
No we will get 150 cases Tuesday and we will be told it is because of Woodies opening.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Hold on a minute, a random person on an anonymous online forum was talking to a random friend about a random patient getting a transplant.

Well thats that rumor put to bed I suppose

Isn't that what you and your ilk spend your days doing?

Seasonal flu = COVID-19 brigade. Pretend like you can critically assess an academic paper.