Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings

crossman47 · 16-05-2020 08:57PM

NIMAN wrote: »

It'll be mayhem at the garden centres on Monday.

Hopefully no-one tells Leo or Tony!

Theres a hell of a lot of people with damn all interest in garden centres.

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 08:57PM

jibber5000 wrote: »

From my understanding it was from the Imperial College model that our policy along with practically every other country was based. I know New Zealand used it.

If you have a link to say that we constructed our own entirely separate model I will concede I am wrong.

He only announced that on the 16th of March which would have been too late to massively affect the number of cases presenting by the end of March. I don't think anyone here is disputing that we made the right decision at that point. It is just the steadfast need not to deviate from the earlier trajectory in light of what we now know about the disease that is causing frustration.

I'm not sure. But I would think that getting a foreign country to construct our models would have required us to divulge a huge amount of potentially sensitive info. I don't know much about the models but I imagine they'd factor in demographics like pop density, age range of the population (how many over 60 over 70 etc) health system capacity, prevelence of under
lying conditions, average number of people per household and probably heaps of other stuff that I haven't even thought of. I don't think the UK could have done that for loads of other countries. It seems to me like the type of thing countries have to do for themselves.

SusieBlue · 16-05-2020 09:00PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

I didn't say that. I didn't bother reading the rest of your posts as that is your general posting style on this thread. You start out with a premise that you want to be true, make wild allegations and then come to mad conclusions.

You said the numbers grow slowly and then explode when we aren’t curbing the spread by utilising extreme measures.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to query why that won’t happen in August and why it will happen if we lift things a bit quicker, but if that counts to you as coming to ‘mad conclusions’ then fair enough :pac:

WhiteMemento9 · 16-05-2020 09:00PM

jibber5000 wrote: »

The number of cases in Texas is up due to their massively increased testing. The percentage of those actually testing positive is down.

This thread explains it pretty well.

https://mobile.twitter.com/SeanTrende/status/1261651271817351169

That is what Texas is claiming, that video you linked doesn't give any statistics on increased testing. Deaths are also still rising but I accept that could be down to a lag effect. Either way while cases are still rising I don't think they should be reopening. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. There would be no one here arguging to reopen if we had cases going up.

16-05-2020 09:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Horse racing is due to go ahead on 8th June. Is horse racing as essential as homeware? I wouldn’t have thought so.

Will the trainers, owners, jockies and officials have to live within 20km of the race course? Or is it deemed essential work?

I’m not allowed to see my family until 20th July, but horse racing can go ahead?

Baffling decisions by this government!

Irish politics and Irish horse racing, you'll be hard pressed to find a cosier combo, and we're seeing the results of that with this decision. It's a bit sickening tbh.

Me and my ilk can't afford such lobbying power or connections, so we're left to rot and our businesses let crumble before our eyes.

Goldengirl · 16-05-2020 09:02PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I'm not sure. But I would think that getting a foreign country to construct our models would have required us to divulge a huge amount of potentially sensitive info. I don't know much about the models but I imagine they'd factor in demographics like pop density, age range of the population (how many over 60 over 70 etc) health system capacity, prevelence of under
lying conditions, average number of people per household and probably heaps of other stuff that I haven't even thought of. I don't think the UK could have done that for loads of other countries. It seems to me like the type of thing countries have to do for themselves.

Vaguely remember some young French guy ,medical researcher from some Californian university who invented the curve model, talking about Irish numbers , but can't be certain..anyone else?
Think it was on The Source , BBC

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 09:03PM

No crowds at the horse racing I think and way less people than usual in general. I wouldn't be against it. Sould be easy enough to maintain social distancing.

The HorsesMouth · 16-05-2020 09:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He's right.

Can't criticise someone for telling it like it is.

If infection rates surge then new impositions have to be introduced. If they don't then we can move forward.

Given Ireland's climate during summer can be damp and cool conditions for spread may also be superior here to the continent when the heat builds there.[/QUOTE

As long as I've been on here I have always found your posts fairly well thought out and well rounded...even on this thread when I've disagreed with a lot of what you've said.

But that post above is a step into the abyss. The virus is going to spread because of damp conditions...it has been raining across europe for a lot of April and May!

Cillian de Gascun knows we will never go back and can never go back...but he's going to tell us that might be the case to scare us into behaving as they think we should.

WhiteMemento9 · 16-05-2020 09:06PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You said the numbers grow slowly and then explode when we aren’t curbing the spread by utilising extreme measures.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to query why that won’t happen in August and why it will happen if we lift things a bit quicker, but if that counts to you as coming to ‘mad conclusions’ then fair enough :pac:

You took my quote out of context which is often what people do when they are trying to be deliberately deceptive. I am not interested in debating with people who have an agenda to push and can't be opened minded especially when those people are creative in the way they present my own posts.

The post specifically referred to a situation where you have increasing cases day on day indicating that you are in phase that without severe restrictions will cause exponential growth of the virus in areas of dense population.

martingriff · 16-05-2020 09:09PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

He's right.

Can't criticise someone for telling it like it is.

If infection rates surge then new impositions have to be introduced. If they don't then we can move forward.

Given Ireland's climate during summer can be damp and cool conditions for spread may also be superior here to the continent when the heat builds there.[/QUOTE

As long as I've been on here I have always found your posts fairly well thought out and well rounded...even on this thread when I've disagreed with a lot of what you've said.

But that post above is a step into the abyss. The virus is going to spread because of damp conditions...it has been raining across europe for a lot of April and May!

Cillian de Gascun knows we will never go back and can never go back...but he's going to tell us that might be the case to scare us into behaving as they think we should.

No it is to make us act as we should not how they think we should.

RGS · 16-05-2020 09:09PM

MadYaker wrote: »

No crowds at the horse racing I think and way less people than usual in general. I wouldn't be against it. Sould be easy enough to maintain social distancing.

How can the jockeys social distance during a race. All races have horses close to each other and bumping into each other. Theres no social distance in existence.
Are the jockeys socially isolating from the families, I doubt it.
Leo stated it's because they contribute 500 m to the economy.
Looks like he ignore the majority of other business cases put forward.

FintanMcluskey · 16-05-2020 09:12PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Everyone has 20/20 vision in hindsight. With the info we had at the time we took the correct course.

What in the name of jeasus has hindsight to do with the fact we cant go past 20km from our homes this Summer?

Goldengirl · 16-05-2020 09:14PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What in the name of jeasus has hindsight to do with the fact we cant go past 20km from our homes this Summer?

Ah Fintan, back from dinner?

martingriff · 16-05-2020 09:15PM

RGS wrote: »

How can the jockeys social distance during a race. All races have horses close to each other and bumping into each other. Theres no social distance in existence.
Are the jockeys socially isolating from the families, I doubt it.
Leo stated it's because they contribute 500 m to the economy.
Looks like he ignore the majority of other business cases put forward.

Maybe they will be wearing mask all the time not while riding and have a very strick hand sanitizer regime. There is a lot of places where people will have to work close and can not be avoided should all of these be stopped until whenever. Tennis and athletics are 2 I can think of with sports, taxis and meat plants are others

FintanMcluskey · 16-05-2020 09:16PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Ah Fintan, back from dinner?

Haha your a good laugh in fairness!

Lovely bit of chicken, just opened the 1st of a large pack of guinness, and I've settled in behind the keyboard for the night

Goldengirl · 16-05-2020 09:20PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Haha your a good laugh in fairness!

Lovely bit of chicken, just opened the 1st of a large pack of guinness, and I've settled in behind the keyboard for the night

Good man. You can relax, Haha! I'm off to watch what's left of de Eurovision and talk to my poor neglected family , lol.

MrDavid1976 · 16-05-2020 09:26PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

I agree.....but.. bike shops open next week. Or is that just repairs?

Technically just repairs. All I am saying is that it is incoherent and not risk based.

RGS · 16-05-2020 09:26PM

martingriff wrote: »

Maybe they will be wearing mask all the time not while riding and have a very strick hand sanitizer regime. There is a lot of places where people will have to work close and can not be avoided should all of these be stopped until whenever. Tennis and athletics are 2 I can think of with sports, taxis and meat plants are others

Tennis is allowed only in single format so no close contact.
Allowing horse riding whilst the population can only 20km and people cant visit family then haven't seen for close to 3 months does not sit easy with most people.

Stormyteacup · 16-05-2020 09:28PM

Would it not make more sense to do away with the distance regulations from now?

Yes the risk is introducing the virus to parts of the country not already infected, but is not now the time to to it while so many of the businesses are closed, and there is capacity in the hospitals?

Otherwise in July and August when the virus is still here, you can travel as far as you like and everything is open - surely that’s asking for increased pressure on health system.

It will be like opening a pressure valve in one yank instead of easing it open.

NegativeCreep · 16-05-2020 09:33PM

RGS wrote: »

Tennis is allowed only in single format so no close contact.
Allowing horse riding whilst the population can only 20km and people cant visit family then haven't seen for close to 3 months does not sit easy with most people.

It is disgusting. Irish companies on the verge of going bust and can’t open but the rich feckers in the horse racing industry get to go ahead and make themselves even richer.
It’s a cruel “sport” that shouldn’t need any money from the government yet they were allotted 70Million in last years budget. They must be very cosy with those in charge.

NIMAN · 16-05-2020 09:35PM

RGS wrote: »

How can the jockeys social distance during a race. All races have horses close to each other and bumping into each other. Theres no social distance in existence.
Are the jockeys socially isolating from the families, I doubt it.
Leo stated it's because they contribute 500 m to the economy.
Looks like he ignore the majority of other business cases put forward.

If social distancing has to stick to 2m in all sports, then thats the end of sport as we know it. It can't happen in a lot of them, so they will carry on regardless.

Soccer players were tackling each other today in Germany, banging into each other etc.

Life has to go on.

Dr. Bre · 16-05-2020 09:40PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

It is disgusting. Irish companies on the verge of going bust and can’t open but the rich feckers in the horse racing industry get to go ahead and make themselves even richer.
It’s a cruel “sport” that shouldn’t need any money from the government yet they were allotted 70Million in last years budget. They must be very cosy with those in charge.

Finally some riding...

The HorsesMouth · 16-05-2020 09:43PM

martingriff wrote: »

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

No it is to make us act as we should not how they think we should.

You think we should stay within a 5km limit and not see our parents/kids/ grandparents while Willie Mullins and the boys bring their horses to race to satisfy the gamblers itch?

16-05-2020 09:44PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

It is disgusting. Irish companies on the verge of going bust and can’t open but the rich feckers in the horse racing industry get to go ahead and make themselves even richer.
It’s a cruel “sport” that shouldn’t need any money from the government yet they were allotted 70Million in last years budget. They must be very cosy with those in charge.

'The Sport of Kings'.

jibber5000 · 16-05-2020 09:45PM

WhiteMemento9 wrote: »

That is what Texas is claiming, that video you linked doesn't give any statistics on increased testing. Deaths are also still rising but I accept that could be down to a lag effect. Either way while cases are still rising I don't think they should be reopening. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. There would be no one here arguging to reopen if we had cases going up.

They were doing roughly 20,000 tests last week. Managed to get just under 50k on Wednesday so pretty decent in number.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2020/05/13/coronavirus-updates-texas/amp/

The HorsesMouth · 16-05-2020 09:45PM

martingriff wrote: »

No it is to make us act as we should not how they think we should.

You think we should stay within a 5km limit and not see our parents/kids/ grandparents while Willie Mullins and the boys bring their horses to race to satisfy the gamblers itch?

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 09:48PM

Any of the "lockdown is pointless" brigade care to give their take on whats currently unfolding in brazil?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-second-brazilian-health-minister-quits-in-month-as-cases-soar-1.4255363?fbclid=IwAR1BSZgfCXGf_y-1cR9omG9Jf5_n4wDu_4QCM-HouV0ltRjpTmP6E2gwjcw

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/brazil-cities-lurch-lockdowns-amid-virus-crisis-red-70644900

FintanMcluskey · 16-05-2020 09:51PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Any of the "lockdown is pointless" brigade care to give their take on whats currently unfolding in brazil?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-second-brazilian-health-minister-quits-in-month-as-cases-soar-1.4255363?fbclid=IwAR1BSZgfCXGf_y-1cR9omG9Jf5_n4wDu_4QCM-HouV0ltRjpTmP6E2gwjcw

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/brazil-cities-lurch-lockdowns-amid-virus-crisis-red-70644900

Are you actually comparing Rio De Janeiro to Ireland and expecting to use it as a valid argument?

MadYaker · 16-05-2020 09:54PM

Are you actually comparing Sweden to Ireland and expecting to use it as a valid argument?

daydorunrun · 16-05-2020 09:59PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Any of the "lockdown is pointless" brigade care to give their take on whats currently unfolding in brazil?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-second-brazilian-health-minister-quits-in-month-as-cases-soar-1.4255363?fbclid=IwAR1BSZgfCXGf_y-1cR9omG9Jf5_n4wDu_4QCM-HouV0ltRjpTmP6E2gwjcw

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/brazil-cities-lurch-lockdowns-amid-virus-crisis-red-70644900

I don’t believe lockdown was pointless, believe unwinding is too slow- 11 weeks before we can go and visit my parents who live more than 20k away is over the top and punishing to those who bought into the governments action and were socially responsible.

Having traveled in South America I don’t think it would ever be possible to social distance and having enough clean water and soap to sing happy birthday twice to yourself While washing your hands isn’t an option either.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - Read OP for Mod Warnings