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Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Is it hard to imagine that a virus with a high R0 would begin to spread within European countries that did not even carry out the most basic containment measures on arrivals such as temperature screening or cancelling flights from affected areas?Perhaps those measures wouldnt have had much impact long term, but I still am surprised myself that it's arrival to Europe came as a shock to so many

    It didn't just seem likely, it seemed inevitable

    Other recent virus outbreaks never took hold like this virus has. Governments weren’t prepared. You took a lucky guess and you got lucky. Even myself thought hmm this seems to be spreading fast but the WHO came out “ah sure nothing to worry about” at the beginning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Or it's just possible that this virus has gone somewhat to ground in the community and it may actually stay there and "burn out" without causing too many clusters and new outbreaks. Good antibody testing will be interesting. If this pox was here for longer than we believe today, say early January, we may find that a helluva lot of people have already had it and either didn't come down with any symptoms(maybe because of existing immunity to other coronaviruses, even flu), or had mild symptoms. That's a hope anyway.

    We can hope. If it does burn out it would be a nightmare in terms of vaccine development if it cant be tested but great for everyone else if it does burn out. Who knows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Other recent virus outbreaks never took hold like this virus has. You took a lucky guess and you got lucky.

    I know, I'm not trying to be smug and claiming to be learned and wiser than all others but given the situation in Wuhan and how infectious Chinese authorities very openly stated it was again I just dont see how it was not inevitable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    New York has reported negative daily death toll as a retraction of 254 probably deaths outnumbers the number of new deaths today, good to see they are clearly doing post morterms to get an accurate picture of the true total


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Other recent virus outbreaks never took hold like this virus has. You took a lucky guess and you got lucky.

    Italy was the canary in the mine. Rest of Europe said "oh isn't that tragic" but STILL didn't take it seriously until it was not only on the doorstep but with its feet up watching the Late Late.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    One of my neighbours rang to tell me their 80 something yr old mother just tested positive, got bad lastnight and was brought off in the ambulance. For the last 10 days every son and daughter she had (quite a few) visted her and brought the grandkids.

    Warned them til I was blue in the face about all the visitors but sure "it'll be grand". Tears and arguments ahead of them now as the finger pointing begins.

    This isn't an "I told you so" moment. I hope she comes out of it. But FFS can people not just bite the bullet and endure another few weeks of the restrictions and follow the guidelines. It's always going to be someone else and not me attitude until the chickens come home to roost.


    Came back from work in a tourism location and we had a little over hundred cars in the space of 8 hours (some families) and a ridiculous amount of walkers/cyclists. 5kms my arse and the gardai are useless since they were rang and never bother coming for 2 hours. Was told they don't have the manpower to cover everywhere and are short staffed sinc eofficers are not doing overtime now (you'd think they'd sieze every chance to work up overtime pay). Spoke to a CIE/Bus Eireann driver today (at a safe social distance) that came off the bus for a smoke and he is annoyed they didn't make masks mandatory on buses.

    Side note: Sorry, needed to vent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,623 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    fr336 wrote: »
    Italy was the canary in the mine. Rest of Europe said "oh isn't that tragic" but STILL didn't take it seriously until it was not only on the doorstep but with its feet up watching the Late Late.

    Maybe blame WHO. They are supposed to be scientists and they kept saying “ nothing to see here” then it was too late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    One of my neighbours rang to tell me their 80 something yr old mother just tested positive, got bad lastnight and was brought off in the ambulance. For the last 10 days every son and daughter she had (quite a few) visted her and brought the grandkids.

    Warned them til I was blue in the face about all the visitors but sure "it'll be grand". Tears and arguments ahead of them now as the finger pointing begins.

    This isn't an "I told you so" moment. I hope she comes out of it. But FFS can people not just bite the bullet and endure another few weeks of the restrictions and follow the guidelines. It's always going to be someone else and not me attitude until the chickens come home to roost.


    Came back from work in a tourism location and we had a little over hundred cars in the space of 8 hours (some families) and a ridiculous amount of walkers/cyclists. 5kms my arse and the gardai are useless since they were rang and never bother coming for 2 hours. Was told they don't have the manpower to cover everywhere and are short staffed sinc eofficers are not doing overtime now (you'd think they'd sieze every chance to work up overtime pay). Spoke to a CIE/Bus Eireann driver today (at a safe social distance) that came off the bus for a smoke and he is annoyed they didn't make masks mandatory on buses.

    Side note: Sorry, needed to vent.

    Just on the garda point. There is no more overtime available, the OT budget is gone. Any overtime has to be signed off now at senior level, extra hours for checkpoints etc are basically gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Just on the garda point. There is no more overtime available, the OT budget is gone. Any overtime has to be signed off now at senior level, extra hours for checkpoints etc are basically gone.




    Well that explains it then. Thanks. Officers I spoke to seems less friendly today and I have met them multiple times when they came to the site over the years but I took it as they were just stretched thin since it is the weekend.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    One of my neighbours rang to tell me their 80 something yr old mother just tested positive, got bad lastnight and was brought off in the ambulance. For the last 10 days every son and daughter she had (quite a few) visted her and brought the grandkids.

    Warned them til I was blue in the face about all the visitors but sure "it'll be grand". Tears and arguments ahead of them now as the finger pointing begins.

    This isn't an "I told you so" moment. I hope she comes out of it. But FFS can people not just bite the bullet and endure another few weeks of the restrictions and follow the guidelines. It's always going to be someone else and not me attitude until the chickens come home to roost.


    Came back from work in a tourism location and we had a little over hundred cars in the space of 8 hours (some families) and a ridiculous amount of walkers/cyclists. 5kms my arse and the gardai are useless since they were rang and never bother coming for 2 hours. Was told they don't have the manpower to cover everywhere and are short staffed sinc eofficers are not doing overtime now (you'd think they'd sieze every chance to work up overtime pay). Spoke to a CIE/Bus Eireann driver today (at a safe social distance) that came off the bus for a smoke and he is annoyed they didn't make masks mandatory on buses.

    Side note: Sorry, needed to vent.

    Just to clarify something for you, the Garda are working 12 hour shifts. They need time off too. How many hours do you think they should work a day?


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  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    blade1 wrote: »
    RIP to the Corona virus threads if this trend keeps up.
    Question is can the Relaxation of Restrictions threads catch up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Beasty wrote: »
    Question is can the Relaxation of Restrictions threads catch up?

    RoR is hardcore Beasty. I took a day off and when I came back you had threadbanned 15 people lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    Well that explains it then. Thanks. Officers I spoke to seems less friendly today and I have met them multiple times when they came to the site over the years but I took it as they were just stretched thin since it is the weekend.

    Yeah they're doing 12hrs shifts 4 days on 4 off. I know one who was going 15hrs for 4 days last week but that's gone now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Steve F wrote: »
    Humans :- "I'm tired of lockdown and social distancing"
    Virus:- "I'm not tired and still as potent as day 1"

    that's probably wrong, viruses tend to mutate to weaker strains

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Yeah they're doing 12hrs shifts 4 days on 4 off. I know one who was going 15hrs for 4 days last week but that's gone now.




    15... that's brutal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    15... that's brutal.

    Yeah OT was there if he wanted it. 3 hours on a checkpoint after he was supposed to finish. Absolutely brutal though. But most of them dont want to go back to the old roster they prefer the 12hr shifts of 4 on 4 off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,098 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    silverharp wrote: »
    that's probably wrong, viruses tend to mutate to weaker strains

    Viruses mutate any direction, not just to weaker strains. This one doesn't seem to be particularly prone to mutations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Is it hard to imagine that a virus with a high R0 would begin to spread within European countries that did not even carry out the most basic containment measures on arrivals such as temperature screening or cancelling flights from affected areas?Perhaps those measures wouldnt have had much impact long term, but I still am surprised myself that it's arrival to Europe came as a shock to so many

    It didn't just seem likely, it seemed inevitable

    I believe the arrival in Europe came as a shock as it did because it was circulating a lot longer than health expert's though.
    If it was circulating 6 to 8 weeks longer in the community than though till a person ended up in hospital that would be a fair spread in the community and once it got into a hospital setting bam there is a hospital infected before anyone even realized it was in there country.
    Europe was expecting it but it arrived before anyone had thought and no one was prepared.


  • Posts: 25,611 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    One of my neighbours rang to tell me their 80 something yr old mother just tested positive, got bad lastnight and was brought off in the ambulance. For the last 10 days every son and daughter she had (quite a few) visted her and brought the grandkids.

    Warned them til I was blue in the face about all the visitors but sure "it'll be grand". Tears and arguments ahead of them now as the finger pointing begins.

    This isn't an "I told you so" moment. I hope she comes out of it. But FFS can people not just bite the bullet and endure another few weeks of the restrictions and follow the guidelines. It's always going to be someone else and not me attitude until the chickens come home to roost.


    Came back from work in a tourism location and we had a little over hundred cars in the space of 8 hours (some families) and a ridiculous amount of walkers/cyclists. 5kms my arse and the gardai are useless since they were rang and never bother coming for 2 hours. Was told they don't have the manpower to cover everywhere and are short staffed sinc eofficers are not doing overtime now (you'd think they'd sieze every chance to work up overtime pay). Spoke to a CIE/Bus Eireann driver today (at a safe social distance) that came off the bus for a smoke and he is annoyed they didn't make masks mandatory on buses.

    Side note: Sorry, needed to vent.

    On my street there's kids still mixing freely, quite annoying. One of whom is dropped to his granny's by his mother who from her clothes works as a carer/nurse. He then plays with the other kids. They want to pet my dog, I have to tell them to **** off. There's being lax and there's being a piece of ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Ffs. Why can’t people get this into their head. ITALY ARE AHEAD OF US WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOCKDOWN.
    that means they will be ahead of us in reopening their country compared to us.
    It’s not rocket science.

    Italy entered their lockdown on the 9th of March. Ireland has been following these restrictions since 24th of March so barely two weeks in the difference. So, in essence; why are we three months behind them in opening up?
    SHOUTING your answer doesn’t make you any more convincing.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Viruses mutate any direction, not just to weaker strains. This one doesn't seem to be particularly prone to mutations.
    Yep, it just seems to be, going happily along, in its own direction with a slight mutation here and there. For now!
    Here's hoping a milder strain will win out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Cuomo on cases in kids. Etc. It’s not so clear cut with this virus. If only it were like a cold or flu in terms of duration. I.e you get a dose, it’s bad but you are good for a year at least.

    https://twitter.com/adamhamdy/status/1261338457105928195?s=21


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    On my street there's kids still mixing freely, quite annoying. One of whom is dropped to his granny's by his mother who from her clothes works as a carer/nurse. He then plays with the other kids. They want to pet my dog, I have to tell them to **** off. There's being lax and there's being a piece of ****.

    Better ways to be with kids than telling them to **** off. Kids will be kids. Blame the parents if you want. And if the mother is a carer or nurse what else is she supposed to do for childminding?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    On my street there's kids still mixing freely, quite annoying. One of whom is dropped to his granny's by his mother who from her clothes works as a carer/nurse. He then plays with the other kids. They want to pet my dog, I have to tell them to **** off. There's being lax and there's being a piece of ****.




    Same people will argue that's why creches should be opened. I don't get the mindset. Even if we turn a blind eye to the adult interaction attitude of we are young and healthy enough to survive it, it still doesn't justify kids and old people. The uniform thing is mind boggling. I change out of my work clothes and wash them every evening when I come home and have a routine of washing before I go near the wife (who has bad asthma). It's not that hard to change a routine and maybe I am going overboard on the washing of my uniform given my job has limited interactions with people but to me it is about personal responsibility.


    I was actually wondering about the whole dog thing too. One of the ladies at work has been bring in her dog and everyone pats it, even I have, but it only dawned on me a few days ago that a dog could be a potential point of picking it up.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    Italy entered their lockdown on the 9th of March. Ireland has been following these restrictions since 24th of March so barely two weeks in the difference. So, in essence; why are we three months behind them in opening up?
    SHOUTING your answer doesn’t make you any more convincing.

    That's the start date, but they didn't start relaxing their restrictions until last week (I think), so we're not three months behind them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    New Home wrote: »
    That's the start date, but they didn't start relaxing their restrictions until last week (I think), so we're not three months behind them.

    We will be come August, is the point I’m making.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Interestingly in massive contrast to European countries such as Ireland Italy and Sweden where vast vast majority of deaths are over 70, in New York 26.4% of deaths in the state are under 64, and a further 25% are between 64 and 74.

    https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-deaths-confirmed-probable-daily-05162020.pdf

    That is much much worse than the stats in Europe. Wonder if obesity is a big factor in that.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    We will be come August, is the point I’m making.

    They're having a phased reopening, too. I'm not sure what their plan is, date-wise, but they still have restrictions in place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Cuomo on cases in kids. Etc. It’s not so clear cut with this virus. If only it were like a cold or flu in terms of duration. I.e you get a dose, it’s bad but you are good for a year at least.

    https://twitter.com/adamhamdy/status/1261338457105928195?s=21

    https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/multisystem-inflammatory-syndrome-in-children-and-adolescents-with-covid-19#.XsBJSm7z6IQ.twitter


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Or it's just possible that this virus has gone somewhat to ground in the community and it may actually stay there and "burn out" without causing too many clusters and new outbreaks. Good antibody testing will be interesting. If this pox was here for longer than we believe today, say early January, we may find that a helluva lot of people have already had it and either didn't come down with any symptoms(maybe because of existing immunity to other coronaviruses, even flu), or had mild symptoms. That's a hope anyway.

    What is this? Is there evidence that a previous illness or sickness or flu can offer some protection against this covid19?


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