Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

growleaves · 15-05-2020 06:37PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Taken from
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-52628283
Coronavirus: How 'overreaction' made Vietnam a virus success

I know.

An Ciarraioch · 15-05-2020 06:41PM

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1261350933725929472

Wibbs · 15-05-2020 06:42PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I'm talking about the point at which they applied them. We are at that point now. That they got to that point a lot sooner than us is a different conversation.

Eh what in god's name are you on about? Are you living in mid March? We are three months of direct effect(five if you count the actual outbreak) into this crisis. The east Asians brought in masks, border controls lockdowns and social distancing in a matter of days, the Czechs had their first cases around the time we did and our numbers were very similar, but they appear to have both a proactive government and a community spirit and brought in the same as the Asians in a matter of a couple of weeks and thereafter our numbers started to radically diverge. The Greeks were similar and did similar minus the masks and again the numbers diverged, to the point where we have tem times more dead than them. Ditto for the Portuguese. We still don't have border checks, quarantines, decent contact tracing and the speed of the testing and more the speed of results has been up and down like a whore's knickers for months. The same point my arse.

Gael23 · 15-05-2020 06:42PM

ek motor wrote: »

I'm not up to speed on this, what happened ?

There were a batch of 200+ cases not reported going back to March

ACitizenErased · 15-05-2020 06:43PM

129 cases and 16 deaths rip

Gael23 · 15-05-2020 06:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

129 cases and 16 deaths rip

Disappointing rise in deaths

Westernyelp · 15-05-2020 06:46PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Disappointing rise in deaths

nothing to speak of

15-05-2020 06:46PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

'You should still stay at home whenever possible and only travel for essential reasons...

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below...

People should not travel beyond 5 kilometres from where they live to visit any of the above facilities [cultural and social, golf, tennis].'

Garden centres are essential only for people who garden for a living.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#retail-personal-and-commercial-activities

Where are you seeing the bolded text in the link provided, I can't see it listed

The only reasons you can leave your home
Stay at home in all circumstances, except in the following situations:

to travel to and from work, if your work cannot be carried out from home
to shop for essential food and household goods
to attend medical appointments and collect medicines and other health products
for vital family reasons, such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people, but excluding social family visits
for farming purposes, that is food production or care of animals
to engage in physical exercise within 5 kilometres of the home, adhering to strict 2 metre social distancing
to meet with friends or family within 5 kilometres in groups of no more than four, adhering to strict 2 metre social distancing
From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below.
Retail, personal and commercial activities
From 18 May 2020 additional retailers will be allowed to reopen. All must implement social distancing arrangements in their premises to reduce the risk of COVID-19 transmission. All must also apply the Return to Work Safely Protocol.

Retail outlets covered by these new arrangements include:

1. Retail outlets that are primarily outdoor (for example, garden centres, farmer’s markets, hardware stores and so on) may reopen

2. Retail outlets, in addition to those that are currently open.

These include:

opticians and optometrists, outlets providing hearing test services, selling hearing aids and appliances
retailers involved in the sale, supply and repair of motor vehicles, motorcycles and bicycle repair and related facilities
hardware stores, builders’ merchants and stores that provide hardware products necessary for home and business maintenance, sanitation and farm equipment, supplies and tools essential for gardening / farming /agriculture
retail sale of office products and services for individuals working from home and for businesses
retailers providing electrical, IT and phone sales, repair and maintenance services for home and businesses
Retailers must put measures in place in their stores to minimise the spread of infection among customers and staff. These could include protective screens and barriers, operating new queueing approaches, limiting the number of customers and staff per store at any one time, providing cleaning stations, increasing store cleaning and hygiene, considering store layout to facilitate social distancing, extending opening hours to reduce crowding, implementing carpark restrictions, and so on.

Stores should be adequately prepared for the return of employees and customers. Public health advice to limit the spread of COVID-19 (hand hygiene, good respiratory etiquette, social distancing, wearing of face coverings) should be communicated to all staff. Cleaning schedules, waste disposal arrangements, arrangements to encourage social distancing between workers and alternative arrangements where social distancing is not always possible should be implemented.

If you are feeling sick you should stay at home and not go to work.

If you have been in contact with a confirmed or suspected case of COVID-19 you should stay at home and not go to work.

Retailers are advised to proactively engage with official authorities as they reopen and to consult with public health authorities on ways to minimise the risk of a COVID-19 outbreak within their stores.

An Ciarraioch · 15-05-2020 06:47PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Disappointing rise in deaths

Unfortunately, they will lag behind the cases for a good fortnight yet.

Iamabeliever · 15-05-2020 06:50PM

Steve F wrote: »

Garages, Motor Car repairs, Tyre shops can open but not NCT centres????

Why's that then?

NCT test is non essential.

Garages, motor car repairs and tyre shops are essential.

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 06:52PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Where are you seeing the bolded text in the link provided, I can't see it listed

Under 'Cultural and social measures', as I mentioned.

bb1234567 · 15-05-2020 06:52PM

Westernyelp wrote: »

nothing to speak of

People really have a skewed view of how many people die now, obviously has decreased massively in recent weeks but 15 deaths daily is still a significant number of excess deaths in a country our size. 85 people die in a typical day in Ireland, almost a 20% increase in excess deaths, it remains as one of if not the leading cause of death in Ireland currently.

ek motor · 15-05-2020 06:54PM

Brazil loses second health minister in a month. Gotta feel sorry them when there's a gob****e like Bolsonaro in charge.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52682358

fritzelly · 15-05-2020 06:55PM

Enhanced surveillance of Kawasaki symptoms required - people must be starting to get worried about it

nacho libre · 15-05-2020 06:59PM

So Leo called Boris today. What's the betting political considerations - the cta - superceded the scientific advice on this one? We are expected to continue adhering to restrictions on our movements to keep the virus in check, while our neighbours from one of the worst affected countries in Europe will be exempt from partaking in that effort.

15-05-2020 07:04PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Under 'Cultural and social measures', as I mentioned.

Ah O.K. it was your mention of garden centers being non essential other than for professional gardeners and not allowed as part of the 5km when they aren't that threw me.

hotmail.com · 15-05-2020 07:05PM

nacho libre wrote: »

So Leo called Boris today. What's the betting political considerations - the cta - superceded the scientific advice on this one? We are expected to continue adhering to restrictions on our movements to keep the virus in check, while our neighbours from one of the worst affected countries in Europe will be exempt from partaking in that effort.

Our policy is almost identical to England's.

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 07:07PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Ah O.K. it was your mention of garden centers being non essential other than for professional gardeners and not allowed as part of the 5km when they aren't that threw me.

I think the main reason they're opening garden centres is so that the employees (and professional gardeners) can go back to work, rather than for the punters.

'From 18 May 2020 a phased return to work for outdoor workers will begin. This includes construction workers, gardeners and so on.'

Eod100 · 15-05-2020 07:09PM

ek motor wrote: »

Brazil loses second health minister in a month. Gotta feel sorry them when there's a gob****e like Bolsonaro in charge.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-52682358

Paraphrasing Oscar Wilde to lose one health minister may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.

15-05-2020 07:11PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

'You should still stay at home whenever possible and only travel for essential reasons...

From 18 May 2020 you can also leave your home to avail of the expanded list of essential retail services as set out under the retail, personal services and commercial activities heading below...

People should not travel beyond 5 kilometres from where they live to visit any of the above facilities [cultural and social, golf, tennis].'

Garden centres are essential only for people who garden for a living.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/#retail-personal-and-commercial-activities

Read the details. Does not make any distinction as to who may go to the outlets. And retail is for sale to general public. How may builders do you think shop in woodies?

fullstop · 15-05-2020 07:12PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The Swiss seem to have no worries about children as spreaders.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52470838

Good for the Swiss?

15-05-2020 07:15PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

Under 'Cultural and social measures', as I mentioned.

Per below.- no mention of retail at all. And retail by definition is for the public. Woodies, b&q -retail. Chadwicks -trade and retail

Cultural and social measures
From 18 May 2020, outdoor public amenities and tourism sites such as parks, beaches, mountain walks, heritage and cultural sites can reopen.

Outdoor sports facilities such as pitches, tennis courts and golf courses can also reopen.

Strict social distancing measures must be implemented at all these sites.

People may practice sport or fitness activities in groups of up to four people but they must practice social distancing, minimise contact, not share equipment and practice strict hygiene.

People should not travel beyond 5 kilometres from where they live to visit any of the above facilities.

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 07:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Read the details. Does not make any distinction as to who may go to the outlets. And retail is for sale to general public. How may builders do you think shop in woodies?

You said you were going to ignore it anyway.

Why would there be a nationwide 5km travel limit except for the essential purposes of work, food shopping etc. that allowed people to travel any distance for leisure shopping in garden centres etc.?

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 07:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Per below.- no mention of retail at all. And retail by definition is for the public. Woodies, b&q -retail. Chadwicks -trade and retail

Cultural and social measures
From 18 May 2020, outdoor public amenities and tourism sites such as parks, beaches, mountain walks, heritage and cultural sites can reopen.

Outdoor sports facilities such as pitches, tennis courts and golf courses can also reopen.

Strict social distancing measures must be implemented at all these sites.

People may practice sport or fitness activities in groups of up to four people but they must practice social distancing, minimise contact, not share equipment and practice strict hygiene.

People should not travel beyond 5 kilometres from where they live to visit any of the above facilities.

What do you think the travel limit is, then, for leisure shopping?

15-05-2020 07:21PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

You said you were going to ignore it anyway.

Why would there be a nationwide 5km travel limit except for the essential purposes of work, food shopping etc. that allowed people to travel any distance for leisure shopping in garden centres etc.?

It’s quite clearly defined and unambiguous in the wording. Travel to any of the retail outlets listed is permitted. Am I not allowed go to Halfords to get a new battery for my wife’s car?

Rob A. Bank · 15-05-2020 07:22PM

Some good news from Europe.

Slovenia has become the first European nation to declare the end of the COVID-19 epidemic within its territory today.

It is the size of Leinster and has a similar population. ie. 20,271 square kilometers and has a population of 2.084 million.

It had it's first case on March 4th and a total of 1465 cases with 103 deaths.

And guess what...on 29th March, wearing a face mask, even one made at home, or equivalents such as scarves that cover the mouth and nose was mandatory along with protective gloves.

Meanwhile we start with half assed measures regarding masks... still totally ignoring the fact that half of the transmissions occur due to presymptomatic cases.

"The proportion of pre-symptomatic transmission was 48% (95%CI 32-67%) for Singapore and 62% (95%CI 50-76%) for Tianjin, China."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031815v1

15-05-2020 07:25PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Some good news from Europe.

Slovenia has become the first European nation to declare the end of the COVID-19 epidemic within its territory today.

It is the size of Leinster and has a similar population. ie. 20,271 square kilometers and has a population of 2.084 million.

It had it's first case on March 4th and a total of 1465 cases with 103 deaths.

And guess what...on 29th March, wearing a face mask, even one made at home, or equivalents such as scarves that cover the mouth and nose was mandatory along with protective gloves.

Meanwhile we start with half assed measures regarding masks... still totally ignoring the fact that half of the transmissions occur due to presymptomatic cases.

"The proportion of pre-symptomatic transmission was 48% (95%CI 32-67%) for Singapore and 62% (95%CI 50-76%) for Tianjin, China."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20031815v1

If they did not declare it today they would legally have had to extend state state supports to individuals and businesses to the end of June. It was a financial decision

podgeandrodge · 15-05-2020 07:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Edit and put the quote as dots in case they wish to change it and you're not online to edit it.

good idea. Have removed the posters boards id too, can you do this too as you quoted me!

podgeandrodge wrote: »

@the poster that posted this (I have removed text and name as suggested by other posters in case you fix yours and my quoting remains), I would advise you not to get into that level of detail about your circumstances. Not that everyone from everywhere is on boards, but if your boss happened to be, they could potentially identify you from the above as you've provided many personal attributes (detailed in original post). Just saying.

DevilsHaircut · 15-05-2020 07:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s quite clearly defined and unambiguous in the wording. Travel to any of the retail outlets listed is permitted. Am I not allowed go to Halfords to get a new battery for my wife’s car?

I don't know why you're bothering to look for loopholes when you've already said you're going to ignore it.

And you haven't said what the new travel limit is for non-essential purposes such as leisure shopping.

Rob A. Bank · 15-05-2020 07:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If they did not declare it today they would legally have had to extend state state supports to individuals and businesses to the end of June. It was a financial decision

So it had nothing to do with the number of cases they don't have ?

:rolleyes:

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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