Masks

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 08:00PM

Seanergy wrote: »

So everybody who was not wearing a mask had excellent hygiene or did you focus in on mask wearers and scrutinize them more?

Seeing you identified risks, did you report your observations to anyone else like a supervisor?

Do you have a habit of watching customers hygiene practice or is this just since Pandemic started?

Does your store have COVID-19 safety notices?

Does your store offer any information regarding how to use face masks?

Did you watch many nose pickers or mouth touchers?

Can you see where I am going with this?

Not really.
Do you have a point to make?
Masks are simply going to make people touch their faces more, which is exactly what is advised against.
If the virus was prevalent and more people had it than not then they would make sense, but as it stands they are a stupid idea put forward by stupid people who simply don't understand logic.

Seanergy · 14-05-2020 08:02PM

Yes: valved

standardg60 wrote: »

This is it in a nutshell.
Talk about encouraging people to touch their face!
RTE today said hands need to be washed before touching the mask when out and about.
How on Earth is that going to be possible?

RTE have had months to get ready for this, just as Leo has and the HSE has.

Unfortunately for all of us we are having to deal with a lethal virus and complete and utter incompetence from HSE, STATE and RTE and Irish Media.

I saw a young lad being interviwed in London today getting off public transport, Interviewee asked why he wasn't wearing a mask/facecovering, his reply was I thought you had been telling us they didn't work.

Actually I carry around a 70% alcohol pump spray with a clip head on it, it's about the size of a marker. I gnerally have it clipped on around collar, for after or before I need to touch surfaces.

thecretinhop · 14-05-2020 08:06PM

Yes: valved

i wear an fp3 mask not a problem for anyone. its still far safer than me coughing and splutters wighout.
i get the wife versatilely shield or something works very well

Seanergy · 14-05-2020 08:06PM

Yes: valved

standardg60 wrote: »

Not really.
Do you have a point to make?
Masks are simply going to make people touch their faces more, which is exactly what is advised against.
If the virus was prevalent and more people had it than not then they would make sense, but as it stands they are a stupid idea put forward by stupid people who simply don't understand logic.

Do you scientific evidence regarding that statement in relation to COVID-19 or just your observations?

Are you calling me stupid?

You only answered one of my questions, so for the 2nd time.

So everybody who was not wearing a mask had excellent hygiene or did you focus in on mask wearers and scrutinize them more?

Seeing you identified risks, did you report your observations to anyone else like a supervisor?

Do you have a habit of watching customers hygiene practice or is this just since Pandemic started?

Does your store have COVID-19 safety notices?

Does your store offer any information regarding how to use face masks?

Did you watch many nose pickers or mouth touchers?

khalessi · 14-05-2020 08:35PM

Yes: surgical

standardg60 wrote: »

Not really.
Do you have a point to make?
Masks are simply going to make people touch their faces more, which is exactly what is advised against.
If the virus was prevalent and more people had it than not then they would make sense, but as it stands they are a stupid idea put forward by stupid people who simply don't understand logic.

At first maybe but you dont see nurses and doctors touching their face as they get used them fairly quickly, as will the public, it isnt rocket science, its a piece of cotton.

Arrival · 14-05-2020 08:44PM

standardg60 wrote: »

Not really.
Do you have a point to make?
Masks are simply going to make people touch their faces more, which is exactly what is advised against.
If the virus was prevalent and more people had it than not then they would make sense, but as it stands they are a stupid idea put forward by stupid people who simply don't understand logic.

The head of the epidemiology department in the University of Hong Kong and his team are all stupid then, because standgardg60 on boards.ie says so, got it!

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 08:46PM

Seanergy wrote: »

RTE have had months to get ready for this, just as Leo has and the HSE has.

Unfortunately for all of us we are having to deal with a lethal virus and complete and utter incompetence from HSE, STATE and RTE and Irish Media.

I saw a young lad being interviwed in London today getting off public transport, Interviewee asked why he wasn't wearing a mask/facecovering, his reply was I thought you had been telling us they didn't work.

Actually I carry around a 70% alcohol pump spray with a clip head on it, it's about the size of a marker. I gnerally have it clipped on around collar, for after or before I need to touch surfaces.

I'll reply to this post as your other one is irrelevant to me as i don't work in a shop.
Currently 0.005% of the population have been infected with the virus and given that 80+% have subsequently recovered the statistical chances that you or I have the virus are minuscule.
Therefore the reason for you or I wearing a mask (to prevent said you or I infecting others) is pointless.
There can be no other conclusion to date than NPHET have done an amazing job and the Government just as well for the simple reason of having enough cop on to listen to them..apart from one or two (thankfully unre-elected) who think they are in positions of influence because they are smart.
Only the truly smart ones leave the daily press conferences to the experts rather than fronting them themselves. See UK and US for examples of how to write your own epitaph.

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 08:51PM

khalessi wrote: »

At first maybe but you dont see nurses and doctors touching their face as they get used them fairly quickly, as will the public, it isnt rocket science, its a piece of cotton.

Yep but they're not usually on the phone or having a smoke whilst conducting critical care.

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 08:54PM

Arrival wrote: »

The head of the epidemiology department in the University of Hong Kong and his team are all stupid then, because standgardg60 on boards.ie says so, got it!

What's the weather like in Hong Kong at the moment then?
Seeing as you're there.

khalessi · 14-05-2020 08:58PM

Yes: surgical

standardg60 wrote: »

Yep but they're not usually on the phone or having a smoke whilst conducting critical care.

Not that you see

Arrival · 14-05-2020 09:06PM

standardg60 wrote: »

I'll reply to this post as your other one is irrelevant to me as i don't work in a shop.
Currently 0.005% of the population have been infected with the virus and given that 80+% have subsequently recovered the statistical chances that you or I have the virus are minuscule.
Therefore the reason for you or I wearing a mask (to prevent said you or I infecting others) is pointless.
There can be no other conclusion to date than NPHET have done an amazing job and the Government just as well for the simple reason of having enough cop on to listen to them..apart from one or two (thankfully unre-elected) who think they are in positions of influence because they are smart.
Only the truly smart ones leave the daily press conferences to the experts rather than fronting them themselves. See UK and US for examples of how to write your own epitaph.

Because we went into lockdown in order to slow the spreading. But we can't stay in lockdown forever, so when the restrictions get eased, what happens? The virus spreads quicker again. When a person gets the virus and shows symptoms, it's easy to trace their contacts when they're just close family members or friends they came into contact with. But while out in public, in supermarkets, on public transport, it becomes a lot harder to trace contacts; at least without a good contact tracing app with the majority of the population actually opting in to using it.

So then those random people get exposed to the virus in public but it's not easy/possible to trace where they picked it up, and so the community spread infection rate increases; it was 60%+ before lockdown. For this reason, any measures which reduce and slow the spreading of the virus in the community are measures worth implementing; mask wearing is absolutely one of these measures.

As for your other point about our experts and leaders doing an amazing job, can you please tell me what you then think of Taiwan's and Hong Kong's results in comparison? Two countries with results of an actually amazing response from their experts and leaders:

Hong Kong
Cases: 1,052
Deaths: 4

Taiwan
Cases: 440
Deaths: 7

And for closer to home examples of actually good responses

Czechia
Cases: 8,330
Deaths: 292

Slovakia
Cases: 1,477
Deaths: 27

ANDDD THEN HERE WE ARE...bear in mind we have a smaller population and are ess densely populated than all of these.

Ireland
Cases: 23,827
Deaths: 1,506

Yeah, absolutely AMAZING!

When you come here and say our crowd have done amazingly, when they've objectively performed mediocrely and given us mediocre results because of that performance, you are the one that comes across as stupid.

And read this article before you suggest people who believe masks are worth wearing are stupid, literally some of the most intelligent and most experienced epidemiologists and immunologists say they are

j@utis · 14-05-2020 09:14PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

At first maybe but you dont see nurses and doctors touching their face as they get used them fairly quickly, as will the public, it isnt rocket science, its a piece of cotton.

Doctors and nurses have gone through years of education and training, don't compare them to average joe who would only don the mask for a show because he has to.

Seanergy · 14-05-2020 09:24PM

Yes: valved

standardg60 wrote: »

I'll reply to this post as your other one is irrelevant to me as i don't work in a shop.
Currently 0.005% of the population have been infected with the virus and given that 80+% have subsequently recovered the statistical chances that you or I have the virus are minuscule.
Therefore the reason for you or I wearing a mask (to prevent said you or I infecting others) is pointless.
There can be no other conclusion to date than NPHET have done an amazing job and the Government just as well for the simple reason of having enough cop on to listen to them..apart from one or two (thankfully unre-elected) who think they are in positions of influence because they are smart.
Only the truly smart ones leave the daily press conferences to the experts rather than fronting them themselves. See UK and US for examples of how to write your own epitaph.

So you are a risk taker.

How can we have a conclusion about the decisions that NPHET have made when we we havn't even started to investiagte their decision making, conclsuions come at the end.

Actually the truly smart ones don't go to daily press conferences, why would they.

khalessi · 14-05-2020 09:31PM

Yes: surgical

j@utis wrote: »

Doctors and nurses have gone through years of education and training, don't compare them to average joe who would only don the mask for a show because he has to.

THank you. I am a nurse and I know how easy it is to get used to masks and quick it as believe it or not doctors and nurse are joes who became doctors and nurses. Also admin staff have to wear masks now in hospitals and no one trained them they just did and my sibling has no problem with the mask or face touching.

It really isnt rocket science, a bit goes into it if in surgery but that is quickly learnt too.

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 09:36PM

Arrival wrote: »

Because we went into lockdown in order to slow the spreading. But we can't stay in lockdown forever, so when the restrictions get eased, what happens? The virus spreads quicker again. When a person gets the virus and shows symptoms, it's easy to trace their contacts when they're just close family members or friends they came into contact with. But while out in public, in supermarkets, on public transport, it becomes a lot harder to trace contacts; at least without a good contact tracing app with the majority of the population actually opting in to using it.

So then those random people get exposed to the virus in public but it's not easy/possible to trace where they picked it up, and so the community spread infection rate increases; it was 60%+ before lockdown. For this reason, any measures which reduce and slow the spreading of the virus in the community are measures worth implementing; mask wearing is absolutely one of these measures.

As for your other point about our experts and leaders doing an amazing job, can you please tell me what you then think of Taiwan's and Hong Kong's results in comparison? Two countries with results of an actually amazing response from their experts and leaders:

Hong Kong
Cases: 1,052
Deaths: 4

Taiwan
Cases: 440
Deaths: 7

And for closer to home examples of actually good responses

Czechia
Cases: 8,330
Deaths: 292

Slovakia
Cases: 1,477
Deaths: 27

ANDDD THEN HERE WE ARE...bear in mind we have a smaller population and are ess densely populated than all of these.

Ireland
Cases: 23,827
Deaths: 1,506

Yeah, absolutely AMAZING!

When you come here and say our crowd have done amazingly, when they've objectively performed mediocrely and given us mediocre results because of that performance, you are the one that comes across as stupid.

And read this article before you suggest people who believe masks are worth wearing are stupid, literally some of the most intelligent and most experienced epidemiologists and immunologists say they are

Well at least you have my respect for putting forward an in your view a rational argument.
But because people are people would you be confident that just because someone said they wore a mask on a particular public transport journey that contact tracing needn't apply? I wouldn't.
Also identifying obscure countries to support criticism of the Government is subjective in the extreme. We need only compare ourselves to our nearest neighbours.

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 09:41PM

Seanergy wrote: »

So you are a risk taker.

How can we have a conclusion about the decisions that NPHET have made when we we havn't even started to investiagte their decision making, conclsuions come at the end.

Actually the truly smart ones don't go to daily press conferences, why would they.

Doesn't take long for these type of threads to be taken over by agendists

Mr.Wemmick · 14-05-2020 09:54PM

Yes: homemade

khalessi wrote: »

THank you. I am a nurse and I know how easy it is to get used to masks and quick it as believe it or not doctors and nurse are joes who became doctors and nurses. Also admin staff have to wear masks now in hospitals and no one trained them they just did and my sibling has no problem with the mask or face touching.

It really isnt rocket science, a bit goes into it if in surgery but that is quickly learnt too.

Exactly this. The real thickos are always the ones who think other people are thick

I have been wearing a mask since early March and I wasn't used to it. I am now. I often had to adjust the mask in the early days, fogged up glasses etc..

Sanitise hands, fix mask, sanitise hands again.

or

Take clean hands out of gloves to fix mask, sanitise hands, slip hands back into gloves without touching anything. Easy.

Not difficult.. not rocket science. Why all the twisted knickers?

standardg60 · 14-05-2020 10:12PM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Exactly this. The real thickos are always the ones who think other people are thick

I have been wearing a mask since early March and I wasn't used to it. I am now. I often had to adjust the mask in the early days, fogged up glasses etc..

Sanitise hands, fix mask, sanitise hands again.

or

Take clean hands out of gloves to fix mask, sanitise hands, slip hands back into gloves without touching anything. Easy.

Not difficult.. not rocket science. Why all the twisted knickers?

I've just socially distanced.
And hey presto we're both still here.

railer201 · 14-05-2020 10:46PM

Yes: valved

standardg60 wrote: »

Doesn't take long for these type of threads to be taken over by agendists

Masks are here now - whatever the agenda, it is now irrelevant - job done.

Bob24 · 14-05-2020 10:50PM

j@utis wrote: »

Doctors and nurses have gone through years of education and training, don't compare them to average joe who would only don the mask for a show because he has to.

Training to be a doctor takes years indeed.

But documenting yourself about how to properly fit a mask takes less than 3 minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxpvDVo_NI

Rjd2 · 14-05-2020 11:32PM

j@utis wrote: »

Doctors and nurses have gone through years of education and training, don't compare them to average joe who would only don the mask for a show because he has to.

To be fair their are numerous youtube videos etc spelling out how to wear them properly. I know a lot of older people may not be that online savvy, but their are other platforms to reach them in the traditional media landscape.

Their will definitely be people wearing masks as a fashion accessory but tbh most people when out and about won't care as long as they are masked up, because at least they are protecting those around them much more than if they were maskless.

Arrival · 14-05-2020 11:50PM

standardg60 wrote: »

Well at least you have my respect for putting forward an in your view a rational argument.
But because people are people would you be confident that just because someone said they wore a mask on a particular public transport journey that contact tracing needn't apply? I wouldn't.
Also identifying obscure countries to support criticism of the Government is subjective in the extreme. We need only compare ourselves to our nearest neighbours.

What are you talking about, contact tracing would still apply regardless. It's not like we would be implementing mask wearing and then getting rid of all other recommended measures and guidelines, masks are simply another addition to how we deal with the virus.

As for that second point; this is quite literally one of the most retarded approaches anyone could have in a time where we have never been more globalised. The virus spreading in the way it did literally highlights how global we've become. And thanks to this thing called the internet we can, and most certainly should, compare ourselves with absolutely everyone. Varadkar and Holohan themselves even spoke about how they were looking at South Korea's testing approach in order to make ours better.

If the UK, France or Spain had similar stats as the countries I listed above I would be comparing ourselves with them. The whole point of comparing ourselves with other countries is to see what those countries are doing to deal with it so well so we can identify what we need to change to go in the same right direction as those countries.

I'll put it to you this way: if we limit ourselves to comparing how we're handling things with our closest neighbours, the UK and France, what do you think we learn and gain from those comparisons? What do those comparisons help us in changing to improve further with how we're handling things? All they do is allow us to say "well at least we're not doing as bad as them". This is the mentality of an apathetic peasant who will accept the bare minimum and feel comforted in maintaining obliviousness instead of thinking completely objectively and critically to identify what else can be done better.

riffmongous · 15-05-2020 01:28AM

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Exactly this. The real thickos are always the ones who think other people are thick

I have been wearing a mask since early March and I wasn't used to it. I am now. I often had to adjust the mask in the early days, fogged up glasses etc..

Sanitise hands, fix mask, sanitise hands again.

or

Take clean hands out of gloves to fix mask, sanitise hands, slip hands back into gloves without touching anything. Easy.

Not difficult.. not rocket science. Why all the twisted knickers?

You're someone who has voluntarily chosen to wear a mask from the very beginning.. of course you are going to be more aware of what to do than most people. Where I live there has been a requirement to wear masks in certain places for a few weeks now and you can see loads of people wearing or using them incorrectly every time you look around. You will see this in Ireland too.

It might not be rocket science to put on a mask, but using one correctly over longer periods requires quite a bit of discipline, education and thought. The good thing is though that the virus numbers are now so low that it's less of an issue if people are careless and the masks will still be useful.

brendanwalsh · 15-05-2020 06:02AM

Yes: other

This disease is droplet and most likely had airborne element too (particles surviving for up to three hours in the air as per NEJM article from March 17th).

Our government are being reckless to date.

Most governments across the western world have fed their body politic lies for weeks about masks being useless , all the while stockpiling masks for healthcare facilities. Now that healthcare facilities have been replenished with stocks, we are getting small filtering of information out from Leo that maybe a “face covering” does help. The CDC already recommends “ face coverings”.

Call it whatever you want, but make no mistake this government lied to you and wearing masks will protect people and prevent spread.

The mask doesn’t lose its function once you step out of the hospital / nursing home etc.

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 09:07AM

No: other

brendanwalsh wrote: »

This disease is droplet and most likely had airborne element too (particles surviving for up to three hours in the air as per NEJM article from March 17th).

Our government are being reckless to date.

Most governments across the western world have fed their body politic lies for weeks about masks being useless , all the while stockpiling masks for healthcare facilities. Now that healthcare facilities have been replenished with stocks, we are getting small filtering of information out from Leo that maybe a “face covering” does help. The CDC already recommends “ face coverings”.

Call it whatever you want, but make no mistake this government lied to you and wearing masks will protect people and prevent spread.

The mask doesn’t lose its function once you step out of the hospital / nursing home etc.

Looks like you thought this was the conspiracy thread! There is no "will" but "could" and "may" are prominent.

j@utis · 15-05-2020 09:31AM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

khalessi wrote: »

THank you. I am a nurse and I know how easy it is to get used to masks and quick it as believe it or not doctors and nurse are joes who became doctors and nurses. Also admin staff have to wear masks now in hospitals and no one trained them they just did and my sibling has no problem with the mask or face touching.

It really isnt rocket science, a bit goes into it if in surgery but that is quickly learnt too.

I worked years in pharmaceutical industry, wore all kinds of masks, including full garb-up with hoods and air filtering systems, and I can tell you even the flimsiest face covering is a nuisance. Those who care will put effort to look up "how to" information but a lot of will not, and that's I see everyday at work. Yes, we tend to notice non-compliance more but it's not a handful of cases, it's continuing flow of wtf...

is_that_so · 15-05-2020 09:38AM

No: other

j@utis wrote: »

I worked years in pharmaceutical industry, wore all kinds of masks, including full garb-up with hoods and air filtering systems, and I can tell you even the flimsiest face covering is a nuisance. Those who care will put effort to look up "how to" information but a lot of will not, and that's I see everyday at work. Yes, we tend to notice non-compliance more but it's not a handful of cases, it's continuing flow of wtf...

In public there's also the question of how long people may follow any guidance especially as we get into warmer weather and as we are looking into a very long summer of continuing restrictions.

JDD · 15-05-2020 10:22AM

Yes: homemade

Anyone know where I could get comfortable cotton masks for an eight year old, five year old and three year old? The three year old probably won't wear one, but if he sees his older siblings wearing them you never know. Preferably with some kind of Disney/kid-friendly designs on them.

owlbethere · 15-05-2020 10:34AM

JDD wrote: »

Anyone know where I could get comfortable cotton masks for an eight year old, five year old and three year old? The three year old probably won't wear one, but if he sees his older siblings wearing them you never know. Preferably with some kind of Disney/kid-friendly designs on them.

I ordered from an etsy maker last weekend and my mail of masks came yesterday. She does different sizes including child and I think maybe even a toddler size too. I haven't tried my on yet because I need to give it a wash first. So I don't know if it's comfortable. It looks like it's going to be a comfortable wear. I have another mask here that I wore at home and it was too much after about 25 minutes. The mask that came for me yesterday looks like a lighter kind of cotton fabric. Kinda like a hanky. It has two layers with a filter pocket. The maker also has the option of a nose wire. I'm not too sure of the nose wire with that maker. On my mask, the wire for the nose would be on top, the filter opening is all along the bottom. I don't know how a filter will remain in place. She does have the option of no nose wires. She has loads of different fabrics and colours to pick from. I will pm you the name of the etsy shop at some stage over the course of the day.

Edit: the maker I referred to above doesn't have Disney designs.

Wibbs · 15-05-2020 10:37AM

Yes: other

standardg60 wrote: »

Also identifying obscure countries to support criticism of the Government is subjective in the extreme. We need only compare ourselves to our nearest neighbours.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, Norway, Greece, Portugal are "obscure countries"?

And this folks is the kinda reasoning that leads to striving for the mediocre we see far too bloody often in Irish culture and politics. Oh look we're doing better than [insert country here. (Extra special superduper bonus points if it's England)].
So you'd rather judge yourself by the dribbling moron at the back of the class with a crayon wedged up his nose than the kid at the front getting straight A's?

What we got right, or close to it: School, pubs and restaurant closures and the initiation of a lockdown.

What we got wrong(and are still getting wrong in some cases): Testing, contact tracing, port health security and control, the care homes, the implementation of the lockdown. When ten families in a convoy of caravans can arrive in an Irish port from one of the sickest nations in Europe and drive over 50k to set up an illegal campsite on government land at the height of the so called lockdown, when many of us had to go through Garda checkpoints to go to Tesco speaks volumes of our failings. Never mind the howlers from our experts around the risks of asymptomatic spread and opening up care homes. But apparently we need only compare ourselves to our nearest neighbours. :rolleyes:

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