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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #2372
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    boring accountant wrote: »
    Unless Ireland plans to isolate itself from America (arguably our most important trading partner) we need to forget about any dreams of eliminating this disease.

    The onus has to now shift from the government on to the public. It’s up to individuals to use what they’ve learned over the last few months to take their own precautions and manage their own risk.

    I think there needs to be a complete travel ban on the US until someone intelligent is at the helm. Cargo can continue as normal but no passenger travel until someone who isn't a complete ****ing imbecile takes charge of the situation over there.


  • #2373
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    So Paul Reid (Head of HSE) has essentially accused Tony H of going on a one man crusade earlier today.

    The inquest into his actions will be brutal and he will be accountable this time


  • #2374
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    So Paul Reid (Head of HSE) has essentially accused Tony H of going on a one man crusade earlier today.

    The inquest into his actions will be brutal and he will be accountable this time

    I'm not one for defending Tony but I get the feeling the HSE are only bitter because something exceptional was expected of them in exceptional times, however they are still the same bloated old broken heap of **** they have always been. How dare you expect anything above the current standard from us is the general vibe of those letters.


  • #2375
    helimachoptor
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    So Paul Reid (Head of HSE) has essentially accused Tony H of going on a one man crusade earlier today.

    The inquest into his actions will be brutal and he will be accountable this time

    What did he say?


  • #2376
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    For the average Joe soap, the “relaxing” of restrictions on Monday is really another three week extension of the current lockdown. Unless you live within 5k of a garden centre or electrical shop then your life isn’t going to change in any shape.


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  • #2377
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    retro:electro wrote: »
    For the average Joe soap, the “relaxing” of restrictions on Monday is really another three week extension of the current lockdown. Unless you live within 5k of a garden centre or electrical shop then your life isn’t going to change in any shape.

    The outdoor gathering of up to 4 in a different household with distance is introduced, but to be fair people have been doing this since the 17th of March:pac:


  • #2378
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    retro:electro wrote: »
    For the average Joe soap, the “relaxing” of restrictions on Monday is really another three week extension of the current lockdown. Unless you live within 5k of a garden centre or electrical shop then your life isn’t going to change in any shape.

    Visitations really need to be sooner than July or August - I couldn't give a **** about hardware shops or pubs but I kind of want to see my parents again some time soon.


  • #2379
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just as a point to this, the number of people suffering from COVID-19 in ICUs never went over the capacity of ICUs. The number of overall people in ICU's did numerous times. We also doubled our capacity.

    Also, in mid- late march, we were averaging 15-20 admissions to ICU/day. That would have overwhelmed the health service. A lockdown was essential to prevent COVID-19 overwhelming the country.

    As of April 1st, there was more people under 65 been hospitalised than over 65.

    I get that you are speaking from an emotive place but it would be better to deal with the relaxation of the lockdown in a more rational way.

    The only reason that the hospitals haven't been overwhelmed now is because of the interventions we took in March.

    Just on that, isnt it possible that the only reason hospitals havent been overwhelmed is because of social distancing only being adhered to mid March onward?

    The point I am making, is that a lot of countries are now out of lockdown/ are about to fully lift their lockdown by 25th of May, only 2 things they ask of their citizens is social distancing and masks on public transports recommended. Has covid become less deadly in the last 2 months?

    Just thinking, why did we shut down our businesses for 5 months and create huge unemployment? Is that a by product of asking citizens to do social distancing? Or was it more of a "I got no idea whats going on, to be safe we should all stay at home even though in mid March we had a lot of indicators that elderly are the only group at risk, while we are at it lets shut down every non office business for 4 - 5 months"?


  • #2380
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    helimachoptor wrote: »
    What did he say?

    I was being a tad dramatic.
    Essentially documents between Reid and some other official were released where Reid said it was regrettable that Tony promised testing to the nation without consulting the HSE beforehand and he had no prior knowledge of this gaurantee before the press conference's


  • #2381
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    I think there needs to be a complete travel ban on the US until someone intelligent is at the helm. Cargo can continue as normal but no passenger travel until someone who isn't a complete ****ing imbecile takes charge of the situation over there.

    Wait a second, you think imbeciles are in charge in US and not in here?

    Also, what do we do with the 265,000 people working in tourism? Do we just tell them to wait until US elect a more appealing president? Should we hand them 350 euro a week while they wait?


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  • #2382
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Wait a second, you think imbeciles are in charge in US and not in here?

    Also, what do we do with the 265,000 people working in tourism? Do we just tell them to wait until US elect a more appealing president? Should we hand them 350 euro a week while they wait?

    Our government handled this as well they could, I don't even have words to describe the absolute state of the muppet guiding the US on this.

    As for those in tourism, I don't want to sound cold but I'd suggest they find something else to work in for now - tourism is dead and won't be back for a long time to come.


  • #2383
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Our government handled this as well they could, I don't even have words to describe the absolute state of the muppet guiding the US on this.

    As for those in tourism, I don't want to sound cold but I'd suggest they find something else to work in for now - tourism is dead and won't be back for a long time to come.

    Tony, is it you?


  • #2384
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Just on that, isnt it possible that the only reason hospitals havent been overwhelmed is because of social distancing only being adhered to mid March onward?

    The point I am making, is that a lot of countries are now out of lockdown/ are about to fully lift their lockdown by 25th of May, only 2 things they ask of their citizens is social distancing and masks on public transports recommended. Has covid become less deadly in the last 2 months?

    Just thinking, why did we shut down our businesses for 5 months and create huge unemployment? Is that a by product of asking citizens to do social distancing? Or was it more of a "I got no idea whats going on, to be safe we should all stay at home even though in mid March we had a lot of indicators that elderly are the only group at risk, while we are at it lets shut down every non office business for 4 - 5 months"?

    Which countries are only asking for facemasks on public transport and social distancing? Not that I don't believe you but just curious.


  • #2385
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    Colibri wrote: »
    The outdoor gathering of up to 4 in a different household with distance is introduced, but to be fair people have been doing this since the 17th of March:pac:

    Yep people who live within 5k of each other have already been doing this for weeks now. Similarly the garden centre in my locality has been opened for weeks and so has the hardware shops. There’s a pitch near me where I walk my dog and for the last week and a half I’ve seen gatherings of lads out training together and getting exercise, all while maintaining social distance. It’s great to see.
    Realistically the public have been operating in and around stage 3 themselves for the past few weeks, and the figures are still positive. We should just push on ahead to stages 4 and 5 now and be done with it. This 3 weeks between each stage is ridiculous nonsense.


  • #2386
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Our government handled this as well they could, I don't even have words to describe the absolute state of the muppet guiding the US on this.

    As for those in tourism, I don't want to sound cold but I'd suggest they find something else to work in for now - tourism is dead and won't be back for a long time to come.
    My worry is that there’s actually real people out there who believe this.


  • #2387
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    My worry is that there’s actually real people out there who believe this.

    Believe what?


  • #2388
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Once again I will write this out . I put my mask on at home before going shopping . I like to adjust it , fix it , get my glasses on without them fogging . I then drive 10 minutes to the supermarket and get in the queue with my mask sitting comfortably .
    So I am one of the loons you see driving with a mask one . I also couldn’t care less what people think of me. People are so quick to judge other people decisions .

    Cool story.

    You've more chance of crashing your car than you do of catching the Covid though.


  • #2389
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    retro:electro wrote: »
    Yep people who live within 5k of each other have already been doing this for weeks now. Similarly the garden centre in my locality has been opened for weeks and so has the hardware shops. There’s a pitch near me where I walk my dog and for the last week and a half I’ve seen gatherings of lads out training together and getting exercise, all while maintaining social distance. It’s great to see.
    Realistically the public have been operating in and around stage 3 themselves for the past few weeks, and the figures are still positive. We should just push on ahead to stages 4 and 5 now and be done with it. This 3 weeks between each stage is ridiculous nonsense.


    That's a really good point!


  • #2390
    Clonmel1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Believe what?

    That we should abandon our tourist industry and tell them to change career and also in some way distance our selves entirely from the United States.


  • #2391
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which countries are only asking for facemasks on public transport and social distancing? Not that I don't believe you but just curious.

    You dazzle me with your questions.

    But I will give you another chance to join pro economic brigade. Just joking, you are banned.

    Austria, Germany, Czech republic (although they will remove the need for masks soon enough) and the list goes on.


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  • #2392
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,633 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Visitations really need to be sooner than July or August - I couldn't give a **** about hardware shops or pubs but I kind of want to see my parents again some time soon.

    Yeah, I'd like to see my parents some time soon also. According to you though, I shouldn't be allowed into my own country to do so for potentially another 4 years, despite the fact that where I live in the US has way less cases and deaths than Ireland.


  • #2393
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Believe what?

    believe tourism is dead.. That's your new board failte slogan eh.

    you sound like an index linked civic servant, a trust fund baby or a banker!


  • #2394
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Our government handled this as well they could, I don't even have words to describe the absolute state of the muppet guiding the US on this.

    As for those in tourism, I don't want to sound cold but I'd suggest they find something else to work in for now - tourism is dead and won't be back for a long time to come.

    Find something else for work with the current unemployment levels? They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, yeah? :pac:

    Never mind the temperature of it, your suggestion is sh1t, and completely out of touch.


  • #2395
    vid36
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭vid36


    hmmm wrote: »
    Can you explain what you mean by "digital tracking and tracing".

    Do you want everyone to carry some sort of tracking device? This is an interesting approach, how would you go about enforcing this? Will the device have some sort of thermometer built in to detect fevers?

    It means using phone data to track your movements if you are infected and also contacting people you have been in close proximity with in the day prior to your diagnosis.
    Unlike the proposed App, it is done automatically whether you consent or not.


  • #2396
    Colibri
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Colibri


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Which countries are only asking for facemasks on public transport and social distancing? Not that I don't believe you but just curious.

    There's a list here -

    https://masks4all.co/what-countries-require-masks-in-public/


  • #2397
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd like to see my parents some time soon also. According to you though, I shouldn't be allowed into my own country to do so for potentially another 4 years, despite the fact that where I live in the US has way less cases and deaths than Ireland.

    Not our problem unfortunately - you live in a country where the "President" wants to reopen states despite no slow down in infection or death rates. We have it under control in Ireland - why should we undo everything we've been through the past 2 months for visitors from a country that treats COVID like a joke?
    rusty cole wrote: »
    believe tourism is dead.. That's your new board failte slogan eh.

    you sound like an index linked civic servant, a trust fund baby or a banker!

    Truth hurts - tourism is done for for the forseeable future. Dry your eyes buddy - There is nobody coming to visit this year or summer, things will not be the same once we start re-opening.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Find something else for work with the current unemployment levels? They just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, yeah? :pac:

    Never mind the temperature of it, your suggestion is sh1t, and completely out of touch.

    Not out of touch - realistic. What are all those people planning to do this summer considering nobody can yet travel outside their counties and nobody will be coming in from abroad?


  • #2398
    NH2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭NH2013


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    As for those in tourism, I don't want to sound cold but I'd suggest they find something else to work in for now - tourism is dead and won't be back for a long time to come.

    What; all 150,000-250,000 people employed in tourism should get other jobs?? And what about the other parts of the economy that depend on tourism as a secondary means of income

    I mean there's the hotels, cafes, bars and restaurants as well as activities centers, museums, tour guides etc, but what about all the other jobs that support those or are supplemented by them?

    What if the restaurants and cafes can't stay open with domestic business alone?
    What about the public transport links such as Go Bus down to Galway etc that all need tourists numbers to make routes profitable? Do they now close down?
    What about all the tradesmen etc that fix and work on cafes and hotels etc?
    The food suppliers that cater to cafes and restaurants? They all go as well right and get new jobs?
    What about the airlines and ferry companies?

    What about all the flights that are supported by tourists that allow other businesses to have direct connections to their customers and suppliers?
    If you took away the tourists on flights to Madrid or Rome we probably wouldn't have enough demand to run those flights, so how does my business now compete and win business from those cities?
    And now in turn another business goes bust because even though it has no connection to tourism it depends on links to other countries, and even more are unemployed.

    You may think tourism is just people who work in or own hotels and people on tour buses around Dublin city but the fact is all that activity plays a massive part in our economy and is a big enabler or other businesses. Cut it out and we're f%cked.


  • #2399
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    You dazzle me with your questions.

    But I will give you another chance to join pro economic brigade. Just joking, you are banned.

    Austria, Germany, Czech republic (although they will remove the need for masks soon enough) and the list goes on.

    Schools are still closed in Czech Republic. Aren't they? Don't need to be in a pro economic brigade when you are in a union (or at least could be in a union).


  • #2400
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd like to see my parents some time soon also. According to you though, I shouldn't be allowed into my own country to do so for potentially another 4 years, despite the fact that where I live in the US has way less cases and deaths than Ireland.

    I and a good few people I know have done that even though parents are outside the 50km zone. No reason whatsoever that this can't be done safely with distancing and some preparation.
    Fair play to anyone waiting another 9 weeks to do this, but I think it is completely unnecessary and absolutely stupid that the restrictions on this aren't being lifted sooner with proper guidelines.


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  • #2401
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Look at those busy NHS nurses protesting for a pay rise.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/13/treasury-tax-hikes-pay-freezes-covid-19-costs-budget-deficit-spending

    I've seen it all now. And you think UK are gonna stay at home to save the NHS any longer? Stay at home save lives? ohhh give us a break.

    PS reality hits UK also

    "Raising taxes or imposing a public sector wage freeze are among the options on the table to pay for a government borrowing boom during the coronavirus pandemic, according to a leaked Treasury document."


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