Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Stheno · 11-05-2020 01:59PM

is_that_so wrote: »

On that antibody test they are still at a wait and see stage but once one that's accurate enough for them is available you'd expect to see it introduced.
De Gascun mentioned community testing being completed by the end of June although one would imagine that it hasn't started yet.

Roche have a CE approved antibody test which is 100% accurate and 99.8% specific and have said they are actively producing millions of it

And they have at least one if not more manufacturing sites here.

I'd like to see one of the journalists ask about this at the press briefing I.e. has anyone from the HSE talked to Roche about these tests and the machines to process them?

Stheno · 11-05-2020 02:05PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Apparently there is now discussion at top level on the possible reuse of PPE.

I'm talking about the hoods with full face covering that then have coverage down to the shoulders and a battery pack around the waist to circulate air.

Not reusing one time use PPE

Stuff like this which you also see in use in some hospitals in the US. Korea also used it iirc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279089/amp/Re-usable-PPE-coronavirus-pandemic-solve-NHS-shortages.html

threeball · 11-05-2020 02:08PM

Stheno wrote: »

Roche have a CE approved antibody test which is 100% accurate and 99.8% specific and have said they are actively producing millions of it

And they have at least one if not more manufacturing sites here.

I'd like to see one of the journalists ask about this at the press briefing I.e. has anyone from the HSE talked to Roche about these tests and the machines to process them?

Didn't they close the plant in Clare. Wheres their other plant?

MipMap · 11-05-2020 02:08PM

England now recommending the wearing of face coverings in enclosed spaces.

bekker · 11-05-2020 02:18PM

Our whole VOVID-19 test, track and trace is a shambles, DOH have had 3 months to get it right and they've failed.

Until the whole systems design and implementation process is completely removed from their control we will never get to the effective 24/36 hour swab to confirmed positive trace timeframe necessary to lift the restrictions successfully.

HSE say they start tracing as soon as someone is allocated a test, yet the anecdotal reports of interactions from testees indicate that it is a cursory process at best. Psychologically it is the equivalent of fire drill versus an actual fire, or the mocks versus the LC.

Public administration in this country is radically flawed in general, with a deeply ingrained control imperative and siloed mentality in it's fundamentally colonial culture, a pre-'21 culture that remained virtually untouched post-'21.

It is incapable of reacting speedally and innovatively as it always has retention of it's siloed control as it's starting point and avoidance of department budgetary impact and responsibility as objectives.

They are simply structurally incapable of implementing the flexible independent and cross-department solutions necessary.

The whole process need to transferred to an ad-hoc body of cross industry experts to design and implement a quick-fix solution with speedy, effective, comprehensive contact tracing as it's goal to be achieved by utilising whatever mix of state and private sector assets is necessary.

We've got to get this right fast. We need some form of economy working again asap, but if we're seen to be popping in and out of restrictions we will quickly become a liability as a trade partner in an era when trade relationships are becoming fluid.

Stheno · 11-05-2020 02:20PM

threeball wrote: »

Didn't they close the plant in Clare. Wheres their other plant?

https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/roche-to-close-irish-site-by-next-year-plans-132-layoffs-report

Seems it was planned for this year but don't know if it closed, so if it is then they don't have a plant, I thought they also had one in Galway

s1ippy · 11-05-2020 02:22PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Questions that should be asked to Holohan :

Any update on anti body testing?

Masks are mandatory throughout europe, will that be the case here?

Is their a plan to test a random sample group of the population?

Asymptomatic transmission was mentioned to be 2/3 of the cases in Nursing homes, have you any data on the prevalence of this in the confirmed cases?

They should also break down the figures notified by region in the briefing to give a clear picture of how the virus is distributed around the country at this point.

There really is absolutely no sense in lifting the restrictions countrywide when some areas are clearly harder-hit than others, but they're hell-bent on that strategy so it's constantly the mushroom treatment for the public.

The average person shouldn't have to go digging for figures and calculating deaths and cases in their county themselves. I thought they were mad for transparency.

podgeandrodge · 11-05-2020 02:23PM

growleaves wrote: »

I didn't say he 'held the title of professor at Rockefeller'.

He had an academic career at the University of Tübingen and worked with Klaus Dietz for 15 years before heading up the department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at Rockefeller. It appears he may not be an epidemologist himself, he just worked closely with epidemiologists for 35 years.

Perhaps you can argue against his points using your own vast knowledge instead of irrelevant name-calling.

timsey tiger wrote: »

Literally judging the book by the cover, techniques named in that title are covered at an undergraduate level.

So what timsey? Techniques for lots of things are covered at undergraduate level.
He's had a long established career and as growleaves pointed out, headed up the department of Biostatistics, Epidemiology and Research Design at Rockefeller. Why are you so reluctant to pay any attention to his opinion?

Stheno · 11-05-2020 02:31PM

s1ippy wrote: »

They should also break down the figures notified by region in the briefing to give a clear picture of how the virus is distributed around the country at this point.

There really is absolutely no sense in lifting the restrictions countrywide when some areas are clearly harder-hit than others, but they're hell-bent on that strategy so it's constantly the mushroom treatment for the public.

The average person shouldn't have to go digging for figures and calculating deaths and cases in their county themselves. I thought they were mad for transparency.

Don't they publish the cases by county in the actual report that they publish each day?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/6e638a-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-saturday-25/

Or do you want them to go county by county and list the increases per county per day?

US2 · 11-05-2020 02:36PM

Seen the president of some African country didnt believe in the virus so stuck the swabs into different kinds of fruit and animals and send them to the lab with human names and ages. Lots came back positive for covid haha this whole thing is a scam

US2 · 11-05-2020 02:36PM

Seen the president of some African country didnt believe in the virus so stuck the swabs into different kinds of fruit and animals and send them to the lab with human names and ages. Lots came back positive for covid haha this whole thing is a scam

wakka12 · 11-05-2020 02:42PM

US2 wrote: »

Seen the president of some African country didnt believe in the virus so stuck the swabs into different kinds of fruit and animals and send them to the lab with human names and ages. Lots came back positive for covid haha this whole thing is a scam

Link? Didnt show any hits when I googled any of that

Martina1991 · 11-05-2020 02:46PM

Stheno wrote: »

Roche have a CE approved antibody test which is 100% accurate and 99.8% specific and have said they are actively producing millions of it

And they have at least one if not more manufacturing sites here.

I'd like to see one of the journalists ask about this at the press briefing I.e. has anyone from the HSE talked to Roche about these tests and the machines to process them?

The question of antibody tests has been asked a few times at the press briefings. Ronan Glynn has said that they are looking at a number of tests and once there are tests deemed reliable enough, they will be used. I'm sure that includes the Roche assay.

A lot of Irish hospital labs have Roche analysers, so the equipment is there.
Trouble is, they're already heavily occupied processing routine blood samples. It'll put an extra strain on laboratory services and may impact the turnaround time of other routine tests.

threeball · 11-05-2020 02:46PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Link? Didnt show any hits when I googled any of that

I saw something about a goat and some other animal coming back positive in one African country.

Mike3287 · 11-05-2020 02:49PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Link? Didnt show any hits when I googled any of that

It's true alright

Lord knows what those Chinese tests detect

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12329672

celt262 · 11-05-2020 02:50PM

US2 wrote: »

Seen the president of some African country didnt believe in the virus so stuck the swabs into different kinds of fruit and animals and send them to the lab with human names and ages. Lots came back positive for covid haha this whole thing is a scam

Prob on facebook

yourdeadwright · 11-05-2020 02:50PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Link? Didnt show any hits when I googled any of that

There was an article in the telegraph at the start of the month, It was the president of Tanzania Magufuli

I think hels covering his own government tracks for doing sweet F all and pretending its ok , When really the country's in trouble

wakka12 · 11-05-2020 02:51PM

The importance of testing asymptomatic hospital and care workers:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6927418/coronavirus-nurse-fake-symptoms-test/

Canadian nursing home worker faked symptoms in order to get a test, she was working around numerous covid patients but was refused a test as she was not showing symptoms. She then tested positive. Imagine how many she would have continued to infect if she had not been so careful.

Sadly I feel this is how the nursing home and hospital situation will cause widespread community transmission again. The asymptomatic carriers wont be tested and will bring it home to families who will bring it into the community again and this will spread among the community as social distancing is relaxed.

US2 · 11-05-2020 02:52PM

celt262 wrote: »

Prob on facebook

No. Facebook dont allow anything that questions the WHO to be posted actually.

US2 · 11-05-2020 02:52PM

wakka12 wrote: »

The importance of testing asymptomatic hospital and care workers:

https://globalnews.ca/news/6927418/coronavirus-nurse-fake-symptoms-test/

Canadian nursing home worker faked symptoms in order to get a test, she tested positive. Imagine how many she would have continued to infect if she had not been so careful.

Sadly I feel this is how the nursing home and hospital situation will cause widespread community transmission again. They wont be tested and will bring it home to families who will bring it into the community again.

Or maybe this whole thing is a load of bollix ?

Stheno · 11-05-2020 02:55PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

The question of antibody tests has been asked a few times at the press briefings. Ronan Glynn has said that they are looking at a number of tests and once there are tests deemed reliable enough, they will be used. I'm sure that includes the Roche assay.

A lot of Irish hospital labs have Roche analysers, so the equipment is there.
Trouble is, they're already heavily occupied processing routine blood samples. It'll put an extra strain on laboratory services and may impact the turnaround time of other routine tests.

I know Martina, but if Cillian de Gascun has said that he expects antibody testing to start in June it would be nice to get more of an update than " we're looking at them" June is three weeks away

As to the analyses some ok ne posted what you said the other day r day about capacity which is why I was wondering if the HSE were looking to talk to Roche about both tests and analyses

But seeing as they are STILL saying it will take a couple more weeks to have the current testing system at the required levels I guess they are focussing ok on that

The HSE have done a lot of good work in fairness to date but it appears to be on a very reactionary basis which is understandable, but surely they could be doing some proactive planning also?

wakka12 · 11-05-2020 02:56PM

US2 wrote: »

Or maybe this whole thing is a load of bollix ?

What is your theory then? Why would anybody be indulging in continuing some kind of fake pandemic which seems to be what you are implying.Who benefits from it?

yourdeadwright · 11-05-2020 02:59PM

wakka12 wrote: »

What is your theory then? Why would anybody be indulging in continuing some kind of fake pandemic which seems to be what you are implying.Who benefits from it?

Don't even start the amount of gob****e on facebook who seem to believe its a conspiracy ,

Strangely it always seems to be the people who haven't done very well in life,

The type who've sat at home on the dole the last ten years but post things like " people need to wake up and stop being sheep"

US2 · 11-05-2020 03:03PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Don't even start the amount of gob****e on facebook who seem to believe its a conspiracy ,

Strangely it always seems to be the people who haven't done very well in life,

The type who've sat at home on the dole the last ten years but post things like " people need to wake up and stop being sheep"

Going to ignore most of your post as it doesn't relate to me, but tell me how a fcuking fruit tests positive?

Hrududu · 11-05-2020 03:06PM

wakka12 wrote: »

What is your theory then? Why would anybody be indulging in continuing some kind of fake pandemic which seems to be what you are implying.Who benefits from it?

Once pushed for a kind of answer like this don't be surprised to see something along the lines of "Prove that its not a fake pandemic."

Eh people on the internet. You get so weary of them sometimes.

jam_mac_jam · 11-05-2020 03:08PM

US2 wrote: »

Going to ignore most of your post as it doesn't relate to me, but tell me how a fcuking fruit tests positive?

Because the tests are defective.

rossie1977 · 11-05-2020 03:11PM

US2 wrote: »

Or maybe this whole thing is a load of bollix ?

What is? the tests or covid 19 in general

rossie1977 · 11-05-2020 03:12PM

Hrududu wrote: »

Once pushed for a kind of answer like this don't be surprised to see something along the lines of "Prove that its not a fake pandemic."

Eh people on the internet. You get so weary of them sometimes.

I can't believe anyone thinks this is a fake pandemic.

US2 · 11-05-2020 03:16PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

What is? the tests or covid 19 in general

If fruit and animals are testing positive what's to say humans who tested positive arent positive at all ?

Stheno · 11-05-2020 03:17PM

rossie1977 wrote: »

I can't believe anyone thinks this is a fake pandemic.

Do you not know that it's only because of the microwaves from 5G masts?

That's why it's so bad in cities they have more 5G than the countryside :pac:

North Korea has no 5G and no cases :pac:

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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