Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Spanish Eyes · 10-05-2020 08:15PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

All this mask stuff, fine, some of us love the idea so much they'd recommend wearing one in the bedroom. Others have a more relaxed approach.

But the pro and anti mask wearers should probably all clarify the context.

Instead of " masks need to be mandatory" and "there's no need for masks", we might all agree with each other a bit more if we elaborate.

I don't believe in masks being necessary out walking or doing a quick shop, as I haven't heard much info about supermarket staff falling in their droves. But I'd agree with them being necessary in a cinema if they reopened or in any crowded space where you will be there for a while and can't social distance. Etc etc.

Weddings will now include bespoke masks to match yer outfit :P

bekker · 10-05-2020 08:21PM

Beasty wrote: »

If it's paywalled, no as that breaches copyright law

Clever of the Irish Inependent to paywall information in an article published on the 10th May, that was freely available from another source on the 2nd May.

For Ads delectation,
https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/.

speckle · 10-05-2020 08:22PM

Regarding masks. I have just been wearing them eg. going into pharmist or shopping. Broken out in a rash and sores with surgical mask not with the n95. So cant wear surgical which protects mainly others and can wear n95 which protects mainly me. Thinking of trying unbleached cotton and will get someone to make one from that.Does anyone know anywhere in Ireland that would deliever?

jams100 · 10-05-2020 08:22PM

bekker wrote: »

What about 'that does not make it a value judgement of the worth of any individual, but simply of the potential loss to an economy' is unclear?

Why do people think health and economics aren't coupled?
Nobody wants to see anyone die but we have to be realistic and balance everything up. For example U or I or our Aunty, whatever might get cancer in 5 years time for example, we don't want to be waiting for a long period or be told that, well cutbacks needed to happen...

We need to strike a balance zero deaths would be brilliant but even with influenza we get hundreds of deaths every year.

Yes every death is a tragedy and it may not be politically correct but I don't personally want to see parts of the lock down lifted sooner. eg garden centers, being able to go for a drive anywhere

New Home · 10-05-2020 08:28PM

bekker wrote: »

What about 'that does not make it a value judgement of the worth of any individual, but simply of the potential loss to an economy' is unclear?

If that's the case, what's the point in healthcare for anyone over 35 at all? Welfare? Pensions? All losses to the economy.

New Home · 10-05-2020 08:30PM

speckle wrote: »

Regarding masks. I have just been wearing them eg. going into pharmist or shopping. Broken out in a rash and sores with surgical mask not with the n95. So cant wear surgical which protects mainly others and can wear n95 which protects mainly me. Thinking of trying unbleached cotton and will get someone to make one from that.Does anyone know anywhere in Ireland that would deliever?

If you've old bed linen and you're not allergic to it, use that (maybe multiple layers).

Maestro85 · 10-05-2020 08:32PM

New Home wrote: »

If that's the case, what's the point in healthcare for anyone over 35 at all? Welfare? Pensions? All losses to the economy.

It's unsettling to me how prevalent this attitude is towards older people and those with underlining conditions. Everyone seems to want to get back to the way it was instead of figuring out how to adapt to maximise our success in dealing with this and the best approaches in living with it going forward.

New Home · 10-05-2020 08:33PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

It's unsettling to me how prevalent this attitude is towards older people and those with underlining conditions. Everyone seems to want to get back to the way it was instead of figuring out how to adapt to maximise our success in dealing with this and the best approaches in living with it going forward.

Reminds me a lot of the 1930s-1940s...

cameramonkey · 10-05-2020 08:34PM

https://twitter.com/orlaryan/status/1259442614643949568

This was posted earlier but I think it is a pretty extraordinary finding. It means that nearly 70% of older people who tested positive in these homes had no symptoms and i suppose no illness. I cant find any other place where this is reported, has it been confirmed?

gipi · 10-05-2020 08:34PM

speckle wrote: »

Regarding masks. I have just been wearing them eg. going into pharmist or shopping. Broken out in a rash and sores with surgical mask not with the n95. So cant wear surgical which protects mainly others and can wear n95 which protects mainly me. Thinking of trying unbleached cotton and will get someone to make one from that.Does anyone know anywhere in Ireland that would deliever?

A company called Little Comfort is making cotton masks, I've ordered a few. They also make cloth nappies and other baby accessories, so their cotton might be suitable for you.

No connection to the company other than as a customer. I found them online.

Mike3287 · 10-05-2020 08:37PM

Miike wrote: »

I sincerely hope that as you age, you don't need any kind of treatment or help from someone who holds the same regard for older people.

No no no

You've go me wrong

I dont like the name at all, hate it, I have old relatives too.

That's what people are calling it now, thats what I was trying to say, should have been more clear

Apologies if I offended anyone

Mike3287 · 10-05-2020 08:37PM

Miike wrote: »

I sincerely hope that as you age, you don't need any kind of treatment or help from someone who holds the same regard for older people.

No no no

You've go me wrong

I dont like the name at all, hate it, I have old relatives too.

That's what people are calling it now, thats what I was trying to say, should have been more clear

Apologies if I offended anyone

bettyoleary · 10-05-2020 08:38PM

cameramonkey wrote: »

https://twitter.com/orlaryan/status/1259442614643949568

This was posted earlier but I think it is a pretty extraordinary finding. It means that nearly 70% of older people who tested positive in these homes had no symptoms and i suppose no illness. I cant find any other place where this is reported, has it been confirmed?

Some don't have the symptoms usually associated such as SOB, cough etc but they are generally not their normal selves and off in someway.

gabeeg · 10-05-2020 08:43PM

jams100 wrote: »

I'm not for a second saying Britian have done well but its time for us to wake up. This virus is going nowhere!
We need to start living with it for some reason even though our R rate is well below zero and we have plenty of room in ICU's we continue to lockdown everyone. People aren't stupid I'm not saying lets open up pubs or restaurants but if anyone wants to go for a drive with my family they should be allowed, if anyone wants to lie down in a park they should (Whilst keeping social distance obviously. Why can't we open hardware and gardening centers tomorrow?
We're able to socailly distance in a supermarket what is the difference?

We need to control the spread imo, not try eliminate it, the amount of people suffering mentally just take a look at Sweeden, they are doing what I said and they aren't getting any mad spike.

92% of people who die are over 70 they are the people we should be protecting. I think we should sensibly start opening up with people using common sense like staying away from the likes of Glendalough and if places like that do start becoming crowded gardai can simply turn cars around. My point is we need to start living with this virus. The cure is now becoming worse than the disease

That's very generous and I'm sure they're all lovely, but no thank you.

bekker · 10-05-2020 08:44PM

jams100 wrote: »

Why do people think health and economics aren't coupled?
Nobody wants to see anyone die but we have to be realistic and balance everything up. For example U or I or our Aunty, whatever might get cancer in 5 years time for example, we don't want to be waiting for a long period or be told that, well cutbacks needed to happen...

We need to strike a balance zero deaths would be brilliant but even with influenza we get hundreds of deaths every year.

Yes every death is a tragedy and it may not be politically correct but I don't personally want to see parts of the lock down lifted sooner. eg garden centers, being able to go for a drive anywhere

I think it was Stalin who said something along the lines of 'a child drowning in a pond is a tragedy, 30,000 soldiers dying in a battle is a statistic', each of those 30,000 deaths was an individual tragedy to someone yet in the aggregate they are just a statistic.

The majority of people appear to be unable to draw the distinction between the two, and are also prone to the fallacy of 'is worth it whatever the cost' and are impervious to the consequential losses arising from the absence of the resources so unthinkingly expended.

Don't understand your final paragraph.

Miike · 10-05-2020 08:44PM

gabeeg wrote: »

That's very generous and I'm sure they're all lovely, but no thank you.

Spit coffee all over my laptop. Príck :pac::pac::pac::pac:

cameramonkey · 10-05-2020 08:45PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

Some don't have the symptoms usually associated such as SOB, cough etc but they are generally not their normal selves and off in someway.

How do you know that, is there a report about the situation?

Stheno · 10-05-2020 08:46PM

speckle wrote: »

Regarding masks. I have just been wearing them eg. going into pharmist or shopping. Broken out in a rash and sores with surgical mask not with the n95. So cant wear surgical which protects mainly others and can wear n95 which protects mainly me. Thinking of trying unbleached cotton and will get someone to make one from that.Does anyone know anywhere in Ireland that would deliever?

Try lovefabric.ie

Snugglebunnies · 10-05-2020 08:47PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So you read of a case in the UK and conclude the lady caught the virus from packaging or mail?
No wonder so many people believe the virus is a death sentence.

I've heard of a lady cocooning getting the virus. Only getting shopping left outside the door and talking to her son through a closed window.

Cork Boy 53 · 10-05-2020 08:48PM

jams100 wrote: »

Why are we only allowed travel 5km from the 18th May?
Why the 18th May? Why not tomorrow? Why not the 15th?
We already have the R number well below one and Icu's have a lot of capacity

Why can't someone go for a drive with their family more than 5k?
What is the point of the 5k anyway really? Like if someone is going to meet there friends and start socailising they are going to do that anyway sure a small minority already are!

What are you on about? The 5km limit came into effect last Tue.5th May.

owlbethere · 10-05-2020 08:49PM

bekker wrote: »

Clever of the Irish Inependent to paywall information in an article published on the 10th May, that was freely available from another source on the 2nd May.

For Ads delectation,
https://unherd.com/thepost/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-the-covid-19-epidemic-was-never-exponential/.

now we’ve left your generation with a real mess in order to save a relatively small number of very old people

I find this bit callous from him because we know it's not just about old people.

khalessi · 10-05-2020 08:53PM

owlbethere wrote: »

now we’ve left your generation with a real mess in order to save a relatively small number of very old people

I find this bit callous from him because we know it's not just about old people.

As the article says he is not an epidemiologist and this is an epdiemic

GM228 · 10-05-2020 08:57PM

bekker wrote: »

I think it was Stalin who said something along the lines of 'a child drowning in a pond is a tragedy, 30,000 soldiers dying in a battle is a statistic', each of those 30,000 deaths was an individual tragedy to someone yet in the aggregate they are just a statistic.

The majority of people appear to be unable to draw the distinction between the two, and are also prone to the fallacy of 'is worth it whatever the cost' and are impervious to the consequential losses arising from the absence of the resources so unthinkingly expended.

Don't understand your final paragraph.

Useless info from me, but Stalin said "if only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics", the drowning quote comes from Elizabeth MacKintosh.

More fitting perhaps from a 1916 Californian publication - "there is double the pathos for us in the death of one little New York waif from hunger than there is in a million deaths from famine in China".

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 09:11PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

No no no

You've go me wrong

I dont like the name at all, hate it, I have old relatives too.

That's what people are calling it now, thats what I was trying to say, should have been more clear

Apologies if I offended anyone

And there was me and my 80 year old mother thinking you were joking and that it was quite funny!

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 09:15PM

Snugglebunnies wrote: »

I've heard of a lady cocooning getting the virus. Only getting shopping left outside the door and talking to her son through a closed window.

That's a bit like the other post earlier about a UK mother who was cocooning and her daughter only left the shopping outside too. Except that in your example, the son must have been bellowing through that closed window for her to hear! Hope there were no cracks in the window!

There's always more to these stories than you hear. The virus doesn't just materialise out of thin air without coming into contact with it.

lillycakes2 · 10-05-2020 09:19PM

The amount of people in Ireland not wearing masks is a joke, it is common sense to wear a mask! Just because it was never the norm or culture here.Things are different now...... people need to get real. The majority not wearing them......Afraid they will look silly, bigger fish to fry I say...……...bloody wear them !!!!

lbj666 · 10-05-2020 09:22PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone get the logic of the 5k or 20k rule . What is the difference if I drive 20k or 50k to see family and have 4 people 2 metres apart in the garden ? How unfair if my family happen to be 35 kms from me and I cannot see them when my sister who lives closer to them can ?

Its for containment of clusters of the virus in their given areas and so that any "accidental" or negligent tranmissions are contained within 5km of the person it was contracted from.

If you lengthened the radius you are mixing more of the population with each other and greatening the level of spread.

Its unfair but its unfair for all of us. Especially people cocooning.

bekker · 10-05-2020 09:22PM

GM228 wrote: »

Useless info from me, but Stalin said "if only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics", the drowning quote comes from Elizabeth MacKintosh.

More fitting perhaps from a 1916 Californian publication - "there is double the pathos for us in the death of one little New York waif from hunger than there is in a million deaths from famine in China".

Stand corrected, but the sentiment is an accurate reflection.

lbj666 · 10-05-2020 09:25PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

That's a bit like the other post earlier about a UK mother who was cocooning and her daughter only left the shopping outside too. Except that in your example, the son must have been bellowing through that closed window for her to hear! Hope there were no cracks in the window!

There's always more to these stories than you hear. The virus doesn't just materialise out of thin air without coming into contact with it.

And... to be honest i have absolutely no interest in anecdotal stories of cases in amongst 3.8 million of cases worldwide.

speckle · 10-05-2020 09:26PM

Can't seem to multiple quote on my mobile so...Thanks New home , gipi and Stheno for that information, its helping me and hopefully others, to think outside the box when we have an allergic reaction to mask material.

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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