Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

jams100 · 10-05-2020 07:35PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're comparing us to a country who have made an absolute balls of the situation. Don't even.

I'm not for a second saying Britian have done well but its time for us to wake up. This virus is going nowhere!
We need to start living with it for some reason even though our R rate is well below zero and we have plenty of room in ICU's we continue to lockdown everyone. People aren't stupid I'm not saying lets open up pubs or restaurants but if anyone wants to go for a drive with my family they should be allowed, if anyone wants to lie down in a park they should (Whilst keeping social distance obviously. Why can't we open hardware and gardening centers tomorrow?
We're able to socailly distance in a supermarket what is the difference?

We need to control the spread imo, not try eliminate it, the amount of people suffering mentally just take a look at Sweeden, they are doing what I said and they aren't getting any mad spike.

92% of people who die are over 70 they are the people we should be protecting. I think we should sensibly start opening up with people using common sense like staying away from the likes of Glendalough and if places like that do start becoming crowded gardai can simply turn cars around. My point is we need to start living with this virus. The cure is now becoming worse than the disease

Refractions · 10-05-2020 07:36PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

The UK government have said that people travelling from the Republic of Ireland will not be subject to the 14 isolation people from all other countries will be subject to so I can see a hell of a lot Irish people going over to the UK for the weekend if their pubs are open while ours are closed.

Yup. Was chatting with my neighbour yesterday and he'll be on the first ferry once the pubs open. Mad for pints.

Loozer · 10-05-2020 07:37PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone get the logic of the 5k or 20k rule . What is the difference if I drive 20k or 50k to see family and have 4 people 2 metres apart in the garden ? How unfair if my family happen to be 35 kms from me and I cannot see them when my sister who lives closer to them can ?

Stop people moving around spreading the virus

Not everyone behaves responsibly

Larbre34 · 10-05-2020 07:38PM

Refractions wrote: »

Yup. Was chatting with my neighbour yesterday and he'll be on the first ferry once the pubs open. Mad for pints.

If he actually does that, he's got bigger problems than the risk of covid 19.

GM228 · 10-05-2020 07:39PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

His whole point is regards to transmission/cases. Not sure why it matters how right he is about deaths?

His point was in relation to both cases and deaths, he predicted the "total number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in China would end up around 80,000, with about 3,250 deaths", his prediction on cases was fairly accurate with a 2% error rate, his prediction on deaths was way off with a 39% error rate, but I do accept the point that cases is probably the more important number in regards to exiting the various restrictions.

GM228 · 10-05-2020 07:41PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Does anyone get the logic of the 5k or 20k rule . What is the difference if I drive 20k or 50k to see family and have 4 people 2 metres apart in the garden ? How unfair if my family happen to be 35 kms from me and I cannot see them when my sister who lives closer to them can ?

The further people travel the more people they are likely to meet and pass I would imagine.

jams100 · 10-05-2020 07:41PM

Loozer wrote: »

Stop people moving around spreading the virus

Not everyone behaves responsibly

But the people who are not behaving properly are going to do that anyway...I saw a picture of someone on Instagram yesterday who had 10 friends around to 'celebrate' finishing exams.
People like that are going to do this s**t anyway why is it the like of me and you being locked in when we are the same people who are going to socially distance if outside anyway?
It makes no sense...our R rate is well below 1 and we have ample capacity in ICU's now

kyote00 · 10-05-2020 07:41PM

CNN reporting Fauci, the head of CDC and head of the FDA are quarantining after virus exposure...

Mike3287 · 10-05-2020 07:42PM

Miike wrote: »

I have issues with the tone of the statement and the underlying sentiment.

Get used to it Mike

Govid19

Granny killer

Is what's its going to be known as soon

fritzelly · 10-05-2020 07:42PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

He predicted China's numbers almost exactly. Wouldn't exactly discredit him.

He miscalculated the death rate by a very large percentage - wouldn't call that exactly
Its like all these stock market player early on pretending to be able to predict the growth weeks in advance except every day they had to keep changing their formula...

Loozer · 10-05-2020 07:44PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

Get used to it Mike

Govid19

Granny killer

Is what's its going to be known as soon

Ok mike

NH2013 · 10-05-2020 07:45PM

GM228 wrote: »

The further people travel the more people they are likely to meet and pass I would imagine.

Surely if travelling by car though there isn't a difference in people met, driving to the parents house 20km vs 25km vs 30km personally I can't see the difference.

2km/5km for exercise fine during lockdown, but when we are allowed to socialise outdoors in small groups again from May 18th the distances seem arbitrary and unenforcable.

Micky 32 · 10-05-2020 07:46PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

This is great news. At least now I can find a use for that Aer Lingus voucher soon!

Did you get the voucher? I’m still waiting weeks for mine.

batman_oh · 10-05-2020 07:48PM

GM228 wrote: »

The further people travel the more people they are likely to meet and pass I would imagine.

But the 2km exercise restriction has effectively locked thousands of people into small areas in highly populated places so that they literally can't avoid close contact with huge amounts of people while going out and doing the only thing they are allowed to do. I don't see how that's not worse

ek motor · 10-05-2020 07:49PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

Get used to it Mike

Govid19

Granny killer

Is what's its going to be known as soon

That's a fairly odd thing to post.

kyote00 · 10-05-2020 07:49PM

This is exactly what the Govt annonanced last week and have been saying for a number of weeks.

Its back to work from May 18th for a lot of people.

Service jobs will open more slowly ....

Pubs/tourism/aviation will be much longer before back to normal

jams100 wrote: »

I'm not for a second saying Britian have done well but its time for us to wake up. This virus is going nowhere!
We need to start living with it for some reason even though our R rate is well below zero and we have plenty of room in ICU's we continue to lockdown everyone. People aren't stupid I'm not saying lets open up pubs or restaurants but if anyone wants to go for a drive with my family they should be allowed, if anyone wants to lie down in a park they should (Whilst keeping social distance obviously. Why can't we open hardware and gardening centers tomorrow?
We're able to socailly distance in a supermarket what is the difference?

We need to control the spread imo, not try eliminate it, the amount of people suffering mentally just take a look at Sweeden, they are doing what I said and they aren't getting any mad spike.

92% of people who die are over 70 they are the people we should be protecting. I think we should sensibly start opening up with people using common sense like staying away from the likes of Glendalough and if places like that do start becoming crowded gardai can simply turn cars around. My point is we need to start living with this virus. The cure is now becoming worse than the disease

Wibbs · 10-05-2020 07:50PM

owlbethere wrote: »

People with respiratory illness like COPD who need to use a portable oxygen tank. They will have a tube from the tank to around their face with prongs delivering oxygen into their nose. That would be one example.

If you have COPD you really should be extremely careful leaving your house. Apparently autistics and similar are also exempt/problematic. Still, it's a small percentage of people and wouldn't affect community mask wearing for the majority.

caveat emptor · 10-05-2020 07:51PM

GM228 wrote: »

Animals testing positive is nothing new, however that particular animal has not been notified to the OIE oddly enough (who are the animal version of the WHO), in fact the OIE have two members from Hong Kong who sit on their ad hoc COVID-19 group and neither the March 31s or April 7th and 28th updates mentioned this cat, though it is on an official AFCD press release.

The current known animal situation is as follows:-

Animal Type
|
Confirmed
| Suspected
Cat
|
4
| 1
Dog
|
2
| 0
Lion
|
0
| 3
Mink
|
4
| 0
Tiger
|
1
| 3
TOTALS
|
11
| 7

Thanks for the rest of the animal kingdom numbers. Those numbers look very suspicious. The animals should really get on top of testing and contact tracing!

Miike · 10-05-2020 07:51PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

Get used to it Mike

Govid19

Granny killer

Is what's its going to be known as soon

I sincerely hope that as you age, you don't need any kind of treatment or help from someone who holds the same regard for older people.

Refractions · 10-05-2020 07:53PM

Larbre34 wrote: »

If he actually does that, he's got bigger problems than the risk of covid 19.

I know! Was an eyeopener.

bekker · 10-05-2020 07:53PM

Miike wrote: »

It's not him 'going against the grain' I actually have an issue with. I'm perfectly open to hearing other takes on things. My issue with him is how speaks of the people who've passed or are at risk. I can't fathom how people can disconnect with humanity to an extent where viewing the death of an older person its just "ah sure, they were nearly expired anyway". Which is just starting to become some kind of normal in many corners. It's mind blowing to me. That's my issue

Can't see what you're objecting to, he is speaking about what he perceives to be erroneous assumptions in the modelling of COVID-19, and makes a number of valid points in relation to R0 which are self-evident in my opinion. His quoting of economists' usage of the relative economic values of twenty year olds v 80 year olds maybe uncomfortable to some, but it is an accurate depiction.

People do not 'pass', they die and cease to exist in this world. The loss to an economy of 18 year old school leaver, 25 year old university graduate, and 80 year old are calculable, that does not make it a value judgement of the worth of any individual, but simply of the potential loss to an economy.
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New Home · 10-05-2020 07:55PM

bekker wrote: »

Can't see what you're objecting to, he is speaking about what he perceives to be erroneous assumptions in the modelling of COVID-19, and makes a number of valid points in relation to R0 which are self-evident in my opinion. His quoting of economists' usage of the relative economic values of twenty year olds v 80 year olds maybe uncomfortable to some, but it is an accurate depiction.

People do not 'pass', they die and cease to exist in this world. The loss to an economy of 18 year old school leaver, 25 year old university graduate, and 80 year old are calculable, that does not make it a value judgement of the worth of any individual, but simply of the potential loss to an economy.
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It might be news to a lot of posters here, but the value of a person goes beyond the economical side of it.

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 07:57PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Did you get the voucher? I’m still waiting weeks for mine.

No! Rang them yesterday and it is "processing" for a flight back in March. But others I know did for flights in the same time frame.

Beasty · 10-05-2020 07:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can someone paste the full article? I'm paywalled.

If it's paywalled, no as that breaches copyright law

jams100 · 10-05-2020 07:58PM

kyote00 wrote: »

This is exactly what the Govt annonanced last week and have been saying for a number of weeks.

Its back to work from May 18th for a lot of people.

Service jobs will open more slowly ....

Pubs/tourism/aviation will be much longer before back to normal

Why are we only allowed travel 5km from the 18th May?
Why the 18th May? Why not tomorrow? Why not the 15th?
We already have the R number well below one and Icu's have a lot of capacity

Why can't someone go for a drive with their family more than 5k?
What is the point of the 5k anyway really? Like if someone is going to meet there friends and start socailising they are going to do that anyway sure a small minority already are!

Curious_Case · 10-05-2020 08:04PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

Get used to it Mike

Govid19

Granny killer

Is what's its going to be known as soon

Yes, precisely!

9-11 is no longer known as 9-11
Pearl Harbour is no longer known as Pearl Harbour
WWI is no longer known as WWI
WWII is no longer known as WWII
Gulf Wars
Bubonic Plague
Spanish Flu
The Great Depression

All have new names now!

Strumms · 10-05-2020 08:04PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks for the rest of the animal kingdom numbers. Those numbers look very suspicious. The animals should really get on top of testing and contact tracing!

I talked to my pet mink about social distancing, but he’s a socially aggressive animal and told me to quit my jabber and was I cooking him the ham and cheese tortellini I’d promised him..

podgeandrodge · 10-05-2020 08:06PM

Mike3287 wrote: »

Get used to it Mike

Govid19

Granny killer

Is what's its going to be known as soon

ek motor wrote: »

That's a fairly odd thing to post.

Miike wrote: »

I sincerely hope that as you age, you don't need any kind of treatment or help from someone who holds the same regard for older people.

I took what he said as a wry joke. But I am not one of the perpetually outraged (not saying above posters are).

I read it out to my mother (80). She laughed. But then again, last week when she went to visit her grandkids in a garden, and I told her that this still wasn't allowed, she laughed and said "if it kills me it kills me, I'm sick of this".

bekker · 10-05-2020 08:12PM

New Home wrote: »

It might be news to a lot of posters here, but the value of a person goes beyond the economical side of it.

What about 'that does not make it a value judgement of the worth of any individual, but simply of the potential loss to an economy' is unclear?

wadacrack · 10-05-2020 08:14PM

A few countries re surging with cases
Not a good sign , 2nd wave looks unavoidable or possibly smaller controllable outbreaks

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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