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Grueller · 09-05-2020 09:47AM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

This appears to be the case around here too but latest ICBF said 15000 extra suckler calves registered

The 15k sucklers I would think are down to lads doing a combination of things. Autumn calving sucklers are dying out fast around here so lads are carrying a few extra spring calvers. The Autumn calvers will die altogether imo when lads exit the bdgp scheme this fall and a lot of cows will go on the hook. Also as lads are tightening up suckler numbers they are getting rid of late calvers so that may even out as the next 2 months or so pass.

morphy87 · 09-05-2020 09:34PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I agree they will try to hold the line. But a lot of cattle gone to grass that would still be in the shed normally. Better types of cattle that are hit going out take 3 months to finish. Cows coming on stream but prime cattle scarce....... and will be for 6+8 weeks and maybe longer.

Cows in big demand the last few days, I’m going to get you to put your neck on the line here,name in your opinion what you think the base price will be the end of August?

memorystick · 11-05-2020 07:55PM

Up or down?

Fine Day · 11-05-2020 09:07PM

Agent told me today cattle are up 5 cent today and expect another rise or 2 over the next few weeks. Whether it will happen is another thing. Was looking back at 2017 & 2018 dockets at the weekend. Plane cattle €4.20/kg +. How did it come to this. It would not happen in any other industry.

kk.man · 12-05-2020 04:49PM

Theheff wrote: »

Agent told me today cattle are up 5 cent today and expect another rise or 2 over the next few weeks. Whether it will happen is another thing. Was looking back at 2017 & 2018 dockets at the weekend. Plane cattle €4.20/kg +. How did it come to this. It would not happen in any other industry.

Cattle are extremely scarce so expect a good rise over the next few weeks. I put my head on the block here maybe seeing 3.90 for bullocks.

There is pressure to fill orders, fellas are not feeding grass cattle and some plants could stop producing if virus takes hold thus they would like to have a buffer in place.

richie123 · 12-05-2020 07:32PM

kk.man wrote: »

Cattle are extremely scarce so expect a good rise over the next few weeks. I put my head on the block here maybe seeing 3.90 for bullocks.

There is pressure to fill orders, fellas are not feeding grass cattle and some plants could stop producing if virus takes hold thus they would like to have a buffer in place.

MacDonald's back in action next week too with drive through only.

Danzy · 12-05-2020 07:34PM

kk.man wrote: »

Cattle are extremely scarce so expect a good rise over the next few weeks. I put my head on the block here maybe seeing 3.90 for bullocks.

There is pressure to fill orders, fellas are not feeding grass cattle and some plants could stop producing if virus takes hold thus they would like to have a buffer in place.

Hopefully fellows will shake plenty so there will be plenty of grass if this builds into a drought.

Fine Day · 12-05-2020 09:29PM

kk.man wrote: »

Cattle are extremely scarce so expect a good rise over the next few weeks. I put my head on the block here maybe seeing 3.90 for bullocks.

There is pressure to fill orders, fellas are not feeding grass cattle and some plants could stop producing if virus takes hold thus they would like to have a buffer in place.

Hope so. But I cant see it with the cartel in charge but fingers crossed.

locha · 12-05-2020 10:27PM

Talking to an agent I have a double to go shortly and he was saying to hold on as long as I could. He said a good rise is coming in 2 weeks. Hard to know but I’m going to hold and see what happens. Can’t get much worse...

Good loser · 12-05-2020 10:41PM

Theheff wrote: »

Agent told me today cattle are up 5 cent today and expect another rise or 2 over the next few weeks. Whether it will happen is another thing. Was looking back at 2017 & 2018 dockets at the weekend. Plane cattle €4.20/kg +. How did it come to this. It would not happen in any other industry.

What does that leave the base at?

Are heifers and bullocks differentiated?

Duke92 · 13-05-2020 07:22PM

Is there €3:60 base been got for steers now or is that rubbish

kk.man · 13-05-2020 07:24PM

Duke92 wrote: »

Is there €3:60 base been got for steers now or is that rubbish

Won't surprise me.. I was offered 3.50 last week didn't haggle and knew there was more.
Didn't have any to sell either!

Cavanjack · 13-05-2020 08:14PM

The beef producers group were looking for r grade cattle up to 36 months. Paying €3.75 flat.

degetme · 13-05-2020 08:41PM

What's the best price to be got for p and mainly o grade cows. Well fleshed

richie123 · 13-05-2020 09:44PM

Jjameson wrote: »

Peculiar that that advise is been given charitably and freely at the minute to all. It’s cheaper to have finishers carry cattle in sheds for a few weeks than try do the same themselves.
The cartel will cap them @3.70 base, Poland hasn’t gone away. and the mindset of farmers getting a big excited palpitations taking this to be a “rise” when they are simply putting back to where they were 8 weeks ago!
Cop yerselves on and get in outa the sun and sober up!!!

What's to stop Larry importing a lot more beef from his factories in Poland ? Seen as it's a hell of a lot cheaper for him

Bass Reeves · 13-05-2020 09:56PM

richie123 wrote: »

What's to stop Larry importing a lot more beef from his factories in Poland ? Seen as it's a hell of a lot cheaper for him

The English consumers left it on the shelves and the supermarkets got it in the neck over stocking it.

richie123 · 13-05-2020 10:33PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The English consumers left it on the shelves and the supermarkets got it in the neck over stocking it.

How do we know it's not going on here ?

wrangler · 13-05-2020 10:45PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The English consumers left it on the shelves and the supermarkets got it in the neck over stocking it.

English don't mind buying New Zealand lamb, sounds unlikely

Danzy · 13-05-2020 11:31PM

wrangler wrote: »

English don't mind buying New Zealand lamb, sounds unlikely

It happened alright.

The English are used to New Zealand lamb, Irish beef, Welsh lamb etc.

Polack beef is different, different to them when shelling out the pound.

Bass Reeves · 13-05-2020 11:34PM

wrangler wrote: »

English don't mind buying New Zealand lamb, sounds unlikely

NZ is a colony dear chap. NZ lamb has been on UK shelves in one form or another for over 100 years. It has been there in large quanties for about 40 years. It was heavily discounted at the start and was on a quota basis by the EU

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/how-new-zealand-lamb-conquered-10665690

Jjameson wrote: »

It wasn’t left on the shelves. A bit of furore on agri media but nothing mainstream. Very naive to believe it won’t come again.

It may come again but it was discounted to shift it. There was resistance to it. It is quite possible it will happen down the line but not for the next year or so.

mf240 · 13-05-2020 11:59PM

Might be in the packet but won't be on the label

wrangler · 14-05-2020 07:28AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

NZ is a colony dear chap. NZ lamb has been on UK shelves in one form or another for over 100 years. It has been there in large quanties for about 40 years. It was heavily discounted at the start and was on a quota basis by the EU

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/local-news/how-new-zealand-lamb-conquered-10665690

It may come again but it was discounted to shift it. There was resistance to it. It is quite possible it will happen down the line but not for the next year or so.

There's thousands of tons polish beef coming into the UK all the time, just not much into supermarkets

Bass Reeves · 14-05-2020 09:55AM

Jjameson wrote: »

Do you believe the diverse eclectic population of Bradford would pass polish mince on a shelf if it was a fraction cheaper? All beef gets half price stickers when it nears End of use by date from what I’ve seen but I’d wager the leftover was very little. I’d love to to believe you were right but I think you’re wrong.
Price is the number 1 concern of a lot of consumers.

I agree they sold all of it. But there is no money in selling a heavily discounted product due to end of shelf life . Comparing NZ lamb and Polish beef are two different scenarios. NZ lamb has been on British shelves for over 100years.

Supermarkets are always wary of upsetting there customer base. Yes the supermarkets would be quite happy to have the polish beef on Bradford shelves if they did not lose custom elsewhere.

Retailing is a mix of profit margins. There is a reason that meats take up a lot if shelf space. It highly profitable. I have seen a number of supermarkets have meat and mainly beef and chicken placed just inside the door and again further down the store. That is not an accident. This is high margin product obviously. No supermarket wants there customers of a high margin product going accriss the shopping center aile to the butcher shop.

ABP were quick out with there excuses. The Polish be f was in the UK to service the catering trade, whether it was school meals, or factory canteen's or in lasagne or Shepard pie for the.local pub or café. None of these customers want this highlighted. Neither do ABP. None of these establishments want to have to put up signs ''only British beef served here'' and neither do ABP.

The ethnic customer comming in to buy a pound ( we are in the UK after all) of polish beef is not putting a bunch of flowers, a bottle of wine, a branded bottle of branded spirits or other high end products on the trolly, neither are they throwing a couple of steaks into it.

No supermarket wants to lose these customers. They have being looking at NZ lamb in the shelves with there parents and grandparents and maybe even buying it now and again. But Polish mince is another matter.

foundation10 · 15-05-2020 12:35PM

wrangler wrote: »

As I suspected, processors wouldn't keep killing if there was any risk...... they're not fools.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/meat-plant-clusters-not-a-food-safety-concern-fsai/

In hindsight this appears to what exactly did not happen. Processors are putting lives and industry at risk by not taking action. We need action on this front asap.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0515/1138530-coronavirus-meat-industry/

wrangler · 15-05-2020 01:30PM

foundation10 wrote: »

In hindsight this appears to what exactly did not happen. Processors are putting lives and industry at risk by not taking action. We need action on this front asap.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0515/1138530-coronavirus-meat-industry/

The beef processors are unlikely to save them, there's huge criticism of the workers behaviour and lack of distancing around the local town here, they're above the rules it seems, guards can do nothing, even the GP tried to persuade them to stop lately......... hopefully they'll share the virus amongst just themselves.
There was 134 new cases one day last week, 75 of which in westmeath, 65 in one community.
Factories really have only one option if they have to be 100% compliant.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/gardai-give-final-warning-to-staff-at-factory-where-half-are-infected-with-covid-19-39208413.html?fbclid=IwAR3iGR58U4RW1Y0Srub1VGFDXktbAit3bYTdZ1XP4OrbQz-L7smu82mZHf8

It'll probably come to a conclusion now, won't great closing down factories with grass growth virtually stopped

foundation10 · 15-05-2020 01:54PM

wrangler wrote: »

The beef processors are unlikely to save them, there's huge criticism of the workers behaviour and lack of distancing around the local town here, they're above the rules it seems, guards can do nothing, even the GP tried to persuade them to stop lately......... hopefully they'll share the virus amongst just themselves.
There was 134 new cases one day last week, 75 of which in westmeath, 65 in one community.
Factories really have only one option if they have to be 100% compliant.

Whatever is happening outside the gates that's a matter for the relevant authorities. But the processors have a duty of care to their employees when on site and a wider remit to the industry and consumer. There are many procedures which they could improve on and I am not an expert on these matters but I would at least expect to see protocols around teams being split, separation within the work environment, temperature checks, face masks to list but a few. We are all working in different work environments these days and this industry is no different but to not be adhering to recommended practice is a disgrace.

Danzy · 15-05-2020 01:59PM

wrangler wrote: »

The beef processors are unlikely to save them, there's huge criticism of the workers behaviour and lack of distancing around the local town here, they're above the rules it seems, guards can do nothing, even the GP tried to persuade them to stop lately......... hopefully they'll share the virus amongst just themselves.
There was 134 new cases one day last week, 75 of which in westmeath, 65 in one community.
Factories really have only one option if they have to be 100% compliant.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/gardai-give-final-warning-to-staff-at-factory-where-half-are-infected-with-covid-19-39208413.html?fbclid=IwAR3iGR58U4RW1Y0Srub1VGFDXktbAit3bYTdZ1XP4OrbQz-L7smu82mZHf8

It'll probably come to a conclusion now, won't great closing down factories with grass growth virtually stopped

The carry on with the factories and their workers has long been notorious.

Neddyusa · 15-05-2020 01:59PM

Jjameson wrote: »

The processors save them!? This is modern day slavery in that they are trapped in their circumstance and work. They can’t distance from one another, they live together in cramped accommodation. Then are transported to and from the plant. Work together. No sick pay, no coved payment. And no proper representation.
I find your analogy Ignorant abhorrent and Inhumane.

Apart from the accommodation bit - everything else in your post could have been describing the beef farmers rather than the factory workers - unfortunately!

wrangler · 15-05-2020 02:33PM

foundation10 wrote: »

Whatever is happening outside the gates that's a matter for the relevant authorities. But the processors have a duty of care to their employees when on site and a wider remit to the industry and consumer. There are many procedures which they could improve on and I am not an expert on these matters but I would at least expect to see protocols around teams being split, separation within the work environment, temperature checks, face masks to list but a few. We are all working in different work environments these days and this industry is no different but to not be adhering to recommended practice is a disgrace.

How do you know they're not adhering to recommended practise . surely our great Civil Service should close them down for non compliance if that was true.
The only ones complaining are beef plan and politicians, both with ulterior motives.
Here's a quote from Harris.

''In response to the independent TD’s comments, Minister for Health Simon Harris highlighted that food production is an essential service but protocols have been put in place, such as a reduction in throughput rates at plants, the extension of operating hours and other safeguards such as Perspex screens, checking temperatures and additional personal protection equipment (PPE).

On foot of a number of clusters arising in meat plants, a national outbreak control team was established on Thursday, May 7, with further meetings planned.

“This group will oversee and co-ordinate the approach to Covid-19 outbreaks in meat plants in Ireland and as part of its output, it will issue guidance documents to all meat processing facilities,” the minister concluded.

wrangler · 15-05-2020 02:45PM

Jjameson wrote: »

The processors save them!? This is modern day slavery in that they are trapped in their circumstance and work. They can’t distance from one another, they live together in cramped accommodation. Then are transported to and from the plant. Work together. No sick pay, no coved payment. And no proper representation.
I find your analogy Ignorant abhorrent and Inhumane.

I could contradict most of what you're saying, the plant is beside the town so they can walk, you don't know anything else about them either.
Indeed, plenty of others they work for, farmers included, treat them poorly

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