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Beep scheme - anyone joining

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    #302
    irishguy19772
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭irishguy19772


    Any restrictions on selling the calves? Usually sell them as runners in Aug/Sept.


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    #303
    Earnshaw
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Earnshaw


    Fecal egg count (Option 2)

    Wondering what does this entail? As in how many suckler cows do I need a fecal sample from?

    I can't do Option 1's as i'm in organic status. Meal would be too expensive and vaccination is prohibited.


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    #304
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,090 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Earnshaw wrote: »
    Fecal egg count (Option 2)

    Wondering what does this entail? As in how many suckler cows do I need a fecal sample from?

    I can't do Option 1's as i'm in organic status. Meal would be too expensive and vaccination is prohibited.

    I'd say it's faecal egg counts on the calves, is it.
    Cows would be resistant to worms


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    #305
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭Grueller


    wrangler wrote: »
    I'd say it's faecal egg counts on the calves, is it.
    Cows would be resistant to worms

    Nope. Cows. Put cows into clean pen, gather 10 random samples, test them. Discuss findings with vet.


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    #306
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,090 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Grueller wrote: »
    Nope. Cows. Put cows into clean pen, gather 10 random samples, test them. Discuss findings with vet.

    MUST be for fluke or maybe rumen fluke


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    #307
    Earnshaw
    Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Earnshaw


    Grueller wrote: »
    Nope. Cows. Put cows into clean pen, gather 10 random samples, test them. Discuss findings with vet.

    Thanks! I presume the samples are sent to a lab for testing....?


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    #308
    tractorporn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭tractorporn


    Earnshaw wrote: »
    Fecal egg count (Option 2)

    Wondering what does this entail? As in how many suckler cows do I need a fecal sample from?

    I can't do Option 1's as i'm in organic status. Meal would be too expensive and vaccination is prohibited.


    Ermm vaccination is allowed under organic regs you just have to show that you need to do it. I vaccinate for blackleg here and theres no problem, I have a letter from my vet saying I need to do it and I'm covered for 5 years.


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    #309
    Anto_Meath
    Registered Users Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Just had a read of the vaccine element of this. It's a little confusing. Like you have two options. You either do them once because its difficult to get them in and handle them or you do them twice. I am guessing most farmers would be going option 1.
    From the department on vaccination requirements.

    Applicants must choose one of the following vaccination protocols:
    Option 1. (if there is a short time before risk period or if cattle can only be handled once)
    • Single RSV and Pi3 Intranasal 2 to 4 weeks before weaning/housing/sale
    • At the same time, a Single (or 2 dose program) IBR live intra-muscular injection (2 to 4
    weeks before weaning/housing/sale)


    Option 2. (if there is more time before risk period or a broader coverage including bacteria is
    required)
    • First subcutaneous injection of RSV, Pi3 and Mannhaemia haemolytica dead, 6 to 8
    weeks before weaning/housing/sale
    • Second subcutaneous injection of RSV, Pi3 and Mannhaemia haemolytica dead, 2 to 4
    weeks before weaning/housing/sale
    • At the same time as the second injection, a Single IBR live intra-muscular, 2 to 4 weeks
    before weaning/housing/sale
    The procedures in both options must be completed in full and are equally applicable to both
    spring and autumn born calves.


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    #310
    893bet
    Registered Users Posts: 8,826 ✭✭✭893bet


    Any update on how the feed ration element is going to be proved?

    Just meal docket?


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    #311
    lab man
    Registered Users Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭lab man


    893bet wrote:
    Any update on how the feed ration element is going to be proved?

    893bet wrote:
    Just meal docket?


    ya my advisor said 2 weeks before weaning 1 week after and keep dockets


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    #312
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭High bike


    lab man wrote: »
    ya my advisor said 2 weeks before weaning 1 week after and keep dockets
    is there a minimum quantity??


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    #313
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭tanko


    The terms and conditions say four weeks pre weaning and two weeks post weaning that nuts/ration must be fed.
    It doesn't say how much, just says that enough should be fed to give an adequate level of nutrition whatever that means.


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    #314
    Dunedin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Aravo wrote: »
    Signed up. Vaccination and the faecal egg count. Will see down the line if I will do the egg count, no info on labs yet.

    Went to sign up earlier and couldn’t find the place on Ag.ie

    Can anyone direct me


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    #315
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭tanko


    Log into Agfood.ie
    Click on Beep-S on menu (fourth one down)
    Click on Applications, click on the small circle and put a dot in it (i think)


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    #316
    lab man
    Registered Users Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭lab man


    High bike wrote:
    is there a minimum quantity??


    i dunno , i ment to register. gtvodaly but couldnt get time as selling alot of hsy atthe moment , do i just ring icbf and say i need to register ?


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    #317
    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭High bike


    lab man wrote: »
    i dunno , i ment to register. gtvodaly but couldnt get time as selling alot of hsy atthe moment , do i just ring icbf and say i need to register ?
    log on to agfood only takes 2 mins


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    #318
    Simmental.
    Registered Users Posts: 72 ✭✭Simmental.


    Results from last years scheme
    https://www.icbf.com/wp/?p=15811


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    #319
    charolais0153
    Registered Users Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    Simmental. wrote: »
    Results from last years scheme
    https://www.icbf.com/wp/?p=15811

    So the differnec for a 20 cow herd of 5 star cows vs 1 star cows is 720 euro based on that, top 20% vs botton 20%


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    #320
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭Grueller


    charolais0153 wrote: »
    So the differnec for a 20 cow herd of 5 star cows vs 1 star cows is 720 euro based on that, top 20% vs botton 20%

    Shows the absolute futility of putting in big effort with beef


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    #321
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭tanko


    Grueller wrote: »
    Shows the absolute futility of putting in big effort with beef

    With the protection of quotas gone i can't see any reason why dairying won't go the same way.


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    #322
    Grueller
    Registered Users Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭Grueller


    tanko wrote: »
    With the protection of quotas gone i can't see any reason why dairying won't go the same way.

    The only reasons I see is that it is a full time job. Part time dairying is not really viable for most so if margins go people will have to exit. That's not the case with beef. 12 hours a week can actually run a tight ship on a dry stock farm.
    The second reason is the diversity of the product. Look at how many beef derived products are in a supermarket. Now compare that to milk.
    Maybe I am wrong. I hope not though as I have a ball of cash spent to get into dairying.


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    #323
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭tanko


    I hope i'm wrong, time will tell.

    Anyway it's good to see ICBF finally admit that the difference between what they class as a 1* and a 5* suckler cow isn't worth talking about.

    I suppose they'll have to carry on with it, all those 100K+ salaries down there will have to be justified in some way.


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    #324
    ABitofsense
    Registered Users Posts: 662 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    When is the best time to do the weighing or does it really matter?

    We usually creep feed here around August (calves ~5 months old) so plan is to weigh before I start to get a baseline of how they perform with creeping. More out of interest really to see their performance.


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    #325
    Dunedin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,244 ✭✭✭Dunedin


    Signed up yesterday. All measures. Picked the vaccination option as have been doing it with weanlings for last 7-8 years anyways


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    #326
    Anto_Meath
    Registered Users Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Signed up yesterday, going with the meal feeding as I don't sell wealings but do feed a little bit of meal to get them used of coming in and out of the yard as it leaves them easier for handling when they are bigger. Anything to keep limos quite is a good idea.
    Have 1 cow that calved last November (an experiment) so will be weaning her calf in August so might start with the pinch of meal then. Not going for November calving again while I have a a fine animal now, the cow takes a lot of extra feeding over the winter and you would feel sorry for the calf on the cold wet nights and thankfully we had no hard frost or snow this winter.


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    #327
    tanko
    Registered Users Posts: 9,230 ✭✭✭tanko


    ABitofsense wrote: »
    When is the best time to do the weighing or does it really matter?

    We usually creep feed here around August (calves ~5 months old) so plan is to weigh before I start to get a baseline of how they perform with creeping. More out of interest really to see their performance.

    Before you start creep feeding them would probably be the ideal time, it would give you a good idea how each cow is feeding their calf.


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    #328
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users Posts: 10,713 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Lads, a couple of neighbours are signing up for this and they have asked me for help. Both are registered on agfood.ie as they need this already for the single payment (BPS).
    Am I right in saying that the inputted data, cattle weights etc can only be inputted on www.icbf.com and not agfood.ie ............... or can they just fill in the forms and send them in themselves?

    I did mine all last year on www.icbf.com.

    Also, can a few of us share the scales for the day.

    'When I was a boy we were serfs, slave minded. Anyone who came along and lifted us out of that belittling, I looked on them as Gods.' - Dan Breen



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    #329
    50HX
    Registered Users Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭50HX


    You can do a paper form for them, just get them to request it from icbf a week or so before

    7 day period to log weights from weigh date afaik

    Yes you can share the scales as long as the number is recorded for each of them they are fine


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    #330
    Hard Knocks
    Registered Users Posts: 3,958 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    For the faecal samples is it just cows calved in reference period or do calves have to be done too?


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    High bike
    Registered Users Posts: 2,381 ✭✭✭High bike


    Hard Knocks wrote: »
    For the faecal samples is it just cows calved in reference period or do calves have to be done too?
    just the cows afaik


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