Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2020 02:42PM

Gynoid wrote: »

And even though I do not mind holding a minority opinion per se, I do think some of the contemptuous dismissal of this unusual event is hasty. What happened to Sally is important. I am very glad it was raised to public consciousness even if in the context of high and inappropriate.

People are contemptuous of the fact that every question she asked was loaded and that she wouldn’t give him a chance to even answer. When you ask a loaded question, the person replying has to parse it in their head first before they even attempt to respond.

And I can’t speak for the family for the young lady who died, but if someone close to me died and the CMO started discussing their case in detail on national television without consulting me first, I’d be pretty angry.

She was putting him in an impossible position, try to catch him out. She didn’t succeed. Good.

timsey tiger · 07-05-2020 02:44PM

Seamai wrote: »

My bigger concern is that one third of people arriving are not filling out that form about where they will be self isolating for the next two weeks so it's fair to say that plenty are carrying on as normal. I'm getting a little tired of hearing the words "Can't be enforced as it's not underpinned by legislation" Let's be honest our "lock down" has been far to soft and the unwillingness to be a bit stricter might still come back to bite us.
We really should only be seeing daily new cases in the community in tens and not hundreds, six or seven weeks into restrictions here, so there are obviously people out there who are taking unnecessary risks every day but I guess their guardian Angel's Gemma and John backed up by a choir drawn from the Irish Council for Civil Liberties will take care of them when they are gasping for their last breath.

Yes, me too.

Not underpinned by legislation, because we (tds all of them) haven't bothered prioritized doing it ffs.

Yes but gov. not formed blaa, blaa blaa - you all are elected to Dail to run country if you had will you would have found way.

brickster69 · 07-05-2020 02:45PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Have you ever bought a pack of toilet rolls from Lidl?

They come with instructions on how to use them. I kid you not.

That will be the new EU directive on right handed toilet rolls. The result of the left handed toilet roll directive wont be confirmed until 2025

Sam Russell · 07-05-2020 02:48PM

Seamai wrote: »

I wonder if Jemima Burke will show up again this afternoon? She'll have a field day if any attempt is made to exclude her.

She was referred to as 'a member of the public' in a brief mention this morning. So no acceptance of her 'Western Press' journalist claim.

US2 · 07-05-2020 02:50PM

Seamai wrote: »

I also know and I'm one of those people who dismisses most claims of flu as notihing more than a bad cold. The last time I had the flu was over 25 years ago, it knocked me out of action for 3 weeks, not to sound dramatic but there were times when I wondered if I'd even pull through hence the reason I get the vaccine.

Likewise, I always thought it was the flu I get every winter then in January 2010 I was floored with the real flu. Honestly thought I was dying. thank god the worst of it only lasted 2 days but I was sick for over a week

Rob A. Bank · 07-05-2020 02:52PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

People are contemptuous of the fact that every question she asked was loaded and that she wouldn’t give him a chance to even answer. When you ask a loaded question, the person replying has to parse it in their head first before they even attempt to respond.

And I can’t speak for the family for the young lady who died, but if someone close to me died and the CMO started discussing their case in detail on national television without consulting me first, I’d be pretty angry.

She was putting him in an impossible position, try to catch him out. She didn’t succeed. Good.

It's actually refreshing to see someone holding the HSE and the CMO up to scrutiny. That is what the journalists should have been doing from day 1.

Enough of this friendly first name stuff and begin to do your jobs jornalists !

It is the journalists' job to hold power to account and to shine light in dark places. We do after all have one of the worst Covid-19 outbreaks worldwide for our size.

stephenjmcd · 07-05-2020 03:00PM

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/it-added-insult-to-injury-family-of-man-77-who-died-in-nursing-home-given-belongings-of-other-deceased-patients-39187293.html

Absolutely awful for the family

Gynoid · 07-05-2020 03:02PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The US military are taking it seriously too and seem to think that it may cause permanent problems.

A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) outlines that those who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.

They say "a history of COVID-19 confirmed by either a laboratory test or clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying."

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-memo-ban-coronavirus-survivors-from-enlisting-memo-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Well that's a little bit yikes..

New Home · 07-05-2020 03:06PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The US military are taking it seriously too and seem to think that it may cause permanent problems.

A military recruitment memo sent out by the US Military Entrance Processing Command (MEPCOM) outlines that those who have tested positive for COVID-19 will not be allowed to join the military — even after they recover.

They say "a history of COVID-19 confirmed by either a laboratory test or clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying."

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-memo-ban-coronavirus-survivors-from-enlisting-memo-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

I wonder would that be applicable to all those sailors who contracted it while on duty (and whose commander - I think it was - was sacked for being a whistleblower - there was a video of it doing the rounds a while back).

crossman47 · 07-05-2020 03:07PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It's actually refreshing to see someone holding the HSE and the CMO up to scrutiny. That is what the journalists should have been doing from day 1.

Enough of this friendly first name stuff and begin to do your jobs jornalists !

It is the journalists' job to hold power to account and to shine light in dark places. We do after all have one of the worst Covid-19 outbreaks worldwide for our size.

Fine to hold people to account but the behaviour of some of the journalists is awful. They are not asking sensible questions but rather trying to get Holohan to say something that will give them a headline. The man from the Indo yesterday was ridiculous. He was given a satisfactory answer but kept trying to pick holes in it. He got an article out of it today which he couldn't resist ending with a jibe.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2020 03:08PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It's actually refreshing to see someone holding the HSE and the CMO up to scrutiny. That is what the journalists should have been doing from day 1.

Enough of this friendly first name stuff and begin to do your jobs jornalists !

It is the journalists' job to hold power to account and to shine light in dark places. We do after all have one of the worst Covid-19 outbreaks worldwide for our size.

It’s also a journalist’s job to listen and expand on their questioning based on the answers they receive. She was no journalist and that was obvious to anyone listening.

Plumbthedepths · 07-05-2020 03:10PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

You used the worst case scenario you could find. I better not tell you how many people have recovered in Ireland so. You enjoy your self imposed terror.

Eod100 · 07-05-2020 03:11PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

She was referred to as 'a member of the public' in a brief mention this morning. So no acceptance of her 'Western Press' journalist claim.

She said it was 'Western News'. I haven't heard of that before so not even sure if it exists. Had a recent byline on Connaught Telegraph apparently.

Looks like Dept Health will be vetting people more carefully.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1258384838861733889

briancoolcat · 07-05-2020 03:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/it-added-insult-to-injury-family-of-man-77-who-died-in-nursing-home-given-belongings-of-other-deceased-patients-39187293.html

Absolutely awful for the family

It's more of an indictment of the Irish Indo trying to sensationalize a mistake and garner readers as far as I am concerned. It happened to me years ago when colleting belongings of an aunt who died in a nursing home. I returned what wasn't hers, they apologized, thanked me, and that was that. I didn't feel the need to ring a national newspaper or radio station about it.

Tony EH · 07-05-2020 03:15PM

US2 wrote: »

In the 6 months between October 2019 to April 2020 60,000 Americans died of the flu. What's your point?

If you don't know what the point is, I can't help you.

ChelseaRentBoy · 07-05-2020 03:18PM

Seamai wrote: »

I got the flu vaccine last October but I remember having conversations with several people around Christmas who said still they got the "flu" this year in spite of the vaccination. TBH I hear thes comments every year but this winter I definitely heard it a lot more.

My mother get's her flu jab every year (she's 79 now) and last December around xmas she was absolutely floored with a "virus" for about 10 days with 3 of the covid19 symptoms.

She then passed it onto all of us here of which my wife and my eldest had the symptoms for about a week my wife in particular had serious breathing issues for 3 days and had to go to the doctor. I had a fever for 2 days as well as a cough and that's it. My youngest had absolutely no signs of a virus.

Now for weeks iv'e heard doctors say it can't be Covid19 but of late im hearing them say it's possible it was here in December as cases of pneumonia where through the roof turn of the year. It's all making me wonder now tbh just how long this has been present and has it mutated to a worse strain more deadly to us all.

Rob A. Bank · 07-05-2020 03:18PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s also a journalist’s job to listen and expand on their questioning based on the answers they receive. She was no journalist and that was obvious to anyone listening.

It should be the journalist's job to ask the awkward questions like :-

Why is there no supervised quarantine for everyone entering the state ?

Why are face coverings not being made mandatory in public in order to stop spread of the virus from the pre-symptomatic and silent spreaders ?

Why have all the efforts made so far been 'too little, too late' ?

etc. etc.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2020 03:19PM

Eod100 wrote: »

She said it was 'Western News'. I haven't heard of that before so not even sure if it exists. Had a recent byline on Connaught Telegraph apparently.

Looks like Dept Health will be vetting people more carefully.

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1258384838861733889

Yeah, I would say security will be tightened after what happened yesterday. For a while anyway, though it’ll probably relax again over time.

cnocbui · 07-05-2020 03:19PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Is this for real? Anybody with toilet paper from Lidl stick up a picture?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 07-05-2020 03:21PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It should be the journalist's job to ask the awkward questions like :-

Why is there no supervised quarantine for everyone entering the state ?

Why are face coverings not being made mandatory in public in order to stop spread of the virus from the pre-symptomatic and silent spreaders ?

Why are all the efforts made so far been 'too little, too late' ?

etc. etc.

Yeah, those are fair questions.

Asking about a specific case for which the CMO did not have the details to hand and presumably no permission to speak about it by her family?

Can I ask, why do you feel entitled to that information? Why should a family’s privacy be breached for the consumption of the general public? The family has spoken out but the CMO couldn’t have known that at the time he was asked the question.

owlbethere · 07-05-2020 03:21PM

iguana wrote: »

I had flu at the end of January for probably the first time ever. I was going through a period of extreme stress so despite being very fit it hit me really hard. I'd had the flu vaccine in October, so I assume it was a different strain. Definitely flu rather than Covid as I had severe sinus symptoms. I was in bed for nearly a week felt so bad I could barely even watch tv in bed, I certainly couldn't read. After a week I was up and about but washed out. After two weeks I was absolutely fine. In March I started having chest pain and shortness of breath. Sick for 19 days, never as bad as I was with the flu but it continued on for longer. Recovered for 4 days then developed post viral pleurisy in my right lung on day 23 and costochondritis over the following week. The doctor who treated me can't say for definite what virus it was but said it was likely to be Covid. I'm on day 51 now, still having chest inflammation and breathing issues.

There appears to be a growing number of people reporting a long illness, so at least I don't feel like I'm going mad anymore. At this point I'm expecting recovery to take at least another month, I know that whenever I push myself too much I relapse. I'm trying to find a balance between getting enough rest and stagnation/muscle tightness from too much rest but it's really hard because I'm trying to figure it out blind. I don't know why recovery is taking so long. It may have to do with my immune system having been hit in January. It may be because I have an autoimmune condition (endometriosis). It may be something else completely.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I was reading another forum and there are people experiencing similar to you. People tested and confirmed with covid19 and people with suspected covid19.

I hope the government and also employers are factoring in this aspect of the illness where for people it could take some time to recover.

owlbethere · 07-05-2020 03:22PM

cnocbui wrote: »

I'm going to die laughing very hard.

fritzelly · 07-05-2020 03:22PM

I've been doing it wrong all this time

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 03:24PM

iguana wrote: »

I had flu at the end of January for probably the first time ever. I was going through a period of extreme stress so despite being very fit it hit me really hard. I'd had the flu vaccine in October, so I assume it was a different strain. Definitely flu rather than Covid as I had severe sinus symptoms. I was in bed for nearly a week felt so bad I could barely even watch tv in bed, I certainly couldn't read. After a week I was up and about but washed out. After two weeks I was absolutely fine. In March I started having chest pain and shortness of breath. Sick for 19 days, never as bad as I was with the flu but it continued on for longer. Recovered for 4 days then developed post viral pleurisy in my right lung on day 23 and costochondritis over the following week. The doctor who treated me can't say for definite what virus it was but said it was likely to be Covid. I'm on day 51 now, still having chest inflammation and breathing issues.

There appears to be a growing number of people reporting a long illness, so at least I don't feel like I'm going mad anymore. At this point I'm expecting recovery to take at least another month, I know that whenever I push myself too much I relapse. I'm trying to find a balance between getting enough rest and stagnation/muscle tightness from too much rest but it's really hard because I'm trying to figure it out blind. I don't know why recovery is taking so long. It may have to do with my immune system having been hit in January. It may be because I have an autoimmune condition (endometriosis). It may be something else completely.

If you are fit you probably exercise, at once when you feel slightly better, while your body needs all your energy to fight the disease

07-05-2020 03:25PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

My mother get's her flu jab every year (she's 79 now) and last December around xmas she was absolutely floored with a "virus" for about 10 days with 3 of the covid19 symptoms.

She then passed it onto all of us here of which my wife and my eldest had the symptoms for about a week my wife in particular had serious breathing issues for 3 days and had to go to the doctor. I had a fever for 2 days as well as a cough and that's it. My youngest had absolutely no signs of a virus.

Now for weeks iv'e heard doctors say it can't be Covid19 but of late im hearing them say it's possible it was here in December as cases of pneumonia where through the roof turn of the year. It's all making me wonder now tbh just how long this has been present and has it mutated to a worse strain more deadly to us all.

Interesting because our family doctor said in ten years she's never asked for sputum samples from patients. This year she sent dozens to the lab because despite inhalers for the airways, steroids for the inflammation and antibiotics for the infections, people still came back for lung X rays. This was all over the Xmas. she sent one 12 year old to hospital with pneumonia from the surgery. She called it the dose from hell and said it was ten time worse than that aussie flu. just my 2 cents.;)

is_that_so · 07-05-2020 03:26PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

It should be the journalist's job to ask the awkward questions like :-

Why is there no supervised quarantine for everyone entering the state ?

Why are face coverings not being made mandatory in public in order to stop spread of the virus from the pre-symptomatic and silent spreaders ?

Why have all the efforts made so far been 'too little, too late' ?

etc. etc.

1. No law for that.
2. See consistent CMO/HSE reply on masks - weak evidence, so not recommended nor will they ever be mandatory.
3. That sounds like you don't even know what question you're asking!

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 03:26PM

Drumpot wrote: »

The thing I dont see answered is Why did the virus not kill a high proportion of vulnerable people from December?

I can get on board with “virus may of been around longer then we thought” if there’s explanations beyond anecdotal Innuendo.

Now could be a second wave. The first wave, if existed, could have been of a weaker less infectious strain. In Spanish flu the second wave was the deadliest.

US2 · 07-05-2020 03:28PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If you don't know what the point is, I can't help you.

No dont know what the point of comparing the deaths from a military war to a virus. It's about as relevant as deaths from the flu or car accidents

US2 · 07-05-2020 03:28PM

Tony EH wrote: »

If you don't know what the point is, I can't help you.

No dont know what the point of comparing the deaths from a military war to a virus. It's about as relevant as deaths from the flu or car accidents

Eod100 · 07-05-2020 03:30PM

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yeah, I would say security will be tightened after what happened yesterday. For a while anyway, though it’ll probably relax again over time.

Apparently there were protesters outside the press briefing last evening too. Seems a bit of a coincidence for the two not to be connected.

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