Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

Seamai · 07-05-2020 01:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder is there data on people who have had flu over the winter also having covid and the clinical outcomes. I do know of a relative of a friend who was in hospital with severe respiratory symptoms at the start of April, but it was not Covid, who is now back in hospital and confirmed with the virus

I got the flu vaccine last October but I remember having conversations with several people around Christmas who said still they got the "flu" this year in spite of the vaccination. TBH I hear thes comments every year but this winter I definitely heard it a lot more.

rdwight · 07-05-2020 01:52PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Are there any journalists going into this evenings briefing. Will you please ple3 please take this up with the team.

Why should we live with restrictions when they are allowing the potential for more covid infections and clusters to start from this?

Exactly.

Who are the 300 odd people who are flying into Dublin Airport every day anyway?

Eod100 · 07-05-2020 01:54PM

rdwight wrote: »

Exactly.

Who are the 300 odd people who are flying into Dublin Airport every day anyway?

Can't close the country to returning citizens in fairness. Not sure how many of them are Irish but still.

speckle · 07-05-2020 01:56PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The same idiots would prehaps use the hand sanitiser at the shops entrances that non gloved patrons use. The idiots wearing gloves normally breeze by.
The nearest shop to where I live have a no glove policy you must sanitise your hands at the entrance with the product provided.

I bring and use my own hand sanitizer and gloves. Which I show the staff member. I cannot use some sanitizer due an allergic reaction.

07-05-2020 01:57PM

Seamai wrote: »

I got the flu vaccine last October but I remember having conversations with several people around Christmas who said still they got the "flu" this year in spite of the vaccination. TBH I hear thes comments every year but this winter I definitely heard it a lot more.

Flu vaccine will never cover all potential variants in a given year. They hedge their bets i the hope to cover as many as possible, but sometimes get it wrong, sometimes very wrong

DevilsHaircut · 07-05-2020 01:57PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

On a lighter note the phrase 'snitches get stitches ' springs to mind.

Would you care to elaborate?

Mike3287 · 07-05-2020 01:58PM

John.Icy wrote: »

There is just nothing abnormal about the graph Gavan shows though? The ILI spike in weeks 50-52 (mid to late Dec) are mirrored by confirmed lab cases of Influenza A and B by the NVRL.

Did we have single cases dotted around Europe in low numbers due to travel back in Nov/Dec? Likely, as shown by the case at the end of Dec in France (27th, vs. their first case originally on Jan 24th). Was everyone that was sick at December suffering from COVID-19? Unlikely. The virus wouldn't have just taken a few weeks off after infecting hundreds/1000+ in December to push a second wave in March in Ireland? We had no restrictions till late March, it just doesn't really make sense.

2 million passengers a month fly out of Wuhan, virus was rampant there from late Nov/December, they shutdown flights on Jan 24th

How did it take 60-90 days before virus was noticed in western world?

Was Wuhan such a nice place it didn't want to leave with those millions of passengers?

It's supposedly highly contagious with an RO of 5

1 person infects 5, 5 infect 25, 25 infect 125, 125 infect 725, 725 infect 3,625 etc

How could it not have infect western world earlier if it's that contagious?

It's either not that contagious

Or it is that contagious and so mild it takes thousands of infected to get a few infect into hospital

I am going with not that contagious myself, I don't know anyone infected by it for example

Hence those flu cases were not Covid in Dec/Jan/Feb here

Cause the virus sure as **** can't be that contagious with such few cases outside China at time

Snow Garden · 07-05-2020 01:59PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

How long it takes to recover from coronavirus

This nasty virus not only causes deaths but it may leave survivors of severe illness in a bad way for more than a year !

https://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/must_see/52508831/coronavirus-how-long-it-takes-to-recover

Aragh that is not news.

For example, it can take a very long time for someone with pneumonia to fully recover.
I know people who have contracted pneumonia and never fully recover their lung capacity.

JoChervil · 07-05-2020 01:59PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

No take aways I've seen are maintaining social distancing in the kitchen.

Not sure how that's slipped under the radar. People don't care.

Many small take aways are family run. So people from the same household don't need social distancing

Seamai · 07-05-2020 01:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Flu vaccine will never cover all potential variants in a given year. They hedge their bets i the hope to cover as many as possible, but sometimes get it wrong, sometimes very wrong

I know it wont, I'm just saying that I heard a lot more than usual this winter saying they got it in spite of the vaccine.

owlbethere · 07-05-2020 02:00PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Can't close the country to returning citizens in fairness. Not sure how many of them are Irish but still.

They need to be quarantined in case they have the infection. Without quarantine, they go about getting public transport or taxis home, stop at shops for food, etc.

cadaliac · 07-05-2020 02:01PM

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Article I read stated it was 33% of people arriving in the last 6 WEEKS. They should have been Phuked out on their ear if they wouldn’t say. It’s lack of the enforcement of our laws like this that has this country in such a mess.

This - 100%.

Snow Garden · 07-05-2020 02:01PM

Seamai wrote: »

I know it wont, I'm just saying that I heard a lot more than usual this winter saying they got it in spite of the vaccine.

A lot of people say they got influenza and only had a bad cold and/or chest infection.
The flu is a nasty dose.

Wombatman · 07-05-2020 02:05PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Good oul Irish government(and all the main parties have been guilty of this down the years), respond with the "be grand" and "you can't hang us down the line if we sit on the fence". Just like border control, quarantine, essential travel, contact tracing, it's all sorta there, but really not very enforced.

If the shoe was on the other foot you'd probably be complaining about the nanny state. If people are advised to wear masks, and don't, is that the governments fault?

Eod100 · 07-05-2020 02:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

They need to be quarantined in case they have the infection. Without quarantine, they go about getting public transport or taxis home, stop at shops for food, etc.

I think it's probably a bit late for that but yeah could be worth doing now.

podgeandrodge · 07-05-2020 02:07PM

There are a lot of people that pretty much want to feel that they had it in latter 2019/early 2020. But there is no proof that they had anything other than a bad dose of something, unless reliable antibody tests come along cheaply and efficiently for everyone.

I say that as someone that had it back then. (Not tested, just know I had it

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Seamai · 07-05-2020 02:14PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Can't close the country to returning citizens in fairness. Not sure how many of them are Irish but still.

My bigger concern is that one third of people arriving are not filling out that form about where they will be self isolating for the next two weeks so it's fair to say that plenty are carrying on as normal. I'm getting a little tired of hearing the words "Can't be enforced as it's not underpinned by legislation" Let's be honest our "lock down" has been far too soft and the unwillingness to be a bit stricter might still come back to bite us.
We really should only be seeing daily new cases in the community in tens and not hundreds, six or seven weeks into restrictions here, so there are obviously people out there who are taking unnecessary risks every day but I guess their guardian Angels Gemma and John backed up by a choir drawn from the Irish Council for Civil Liberties will take care of them when they are gasping for their last breath.

owlbethere · 07-05-2020 02:14PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I think it's probably a bit late for that but yeah could be worth doing now.

It is too late for them 300 but going forward, people need to be quarantined. None of that sh1te about letting people home to self isolate.

Arghus · 07-05-2020 02:14PM

Leo does have a history of shooting his mouth of off too from time to time.

I still don't see how it could have been here in December/January, circulating for ages, given that the pattern of infections, exponential growth and hospital admissions plots pretty perfectly with the introduction of a novel, highly infectious virus into the country at the end of February. It doesn't add up.

Plumbthedepths · 07-05-2020 02:17PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Did they get a nasty dose of it? Did they end up in hospital?

Tubs just had a cough if I remember correctly.

No idea how mild or serious a dose either had, don't really care either. My comment was in reply to a poster using prehaps the worst case scenario they can find. I used Tubs and Claire B as the majority in Ireland know of them.

iguana · 07-05-2020 02:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder is there data on people who have had flu over the winter also having covid and the clinical outcomes. I do know of a relative of a friend who was in hospital with severe respiratory symptoms at the start of April, but it was not Covid, who is now back in hospital and confirmed with the virus

I had flu at the end of January for probably the first time ever. I was going through a period of extreme stress so despite being very fit it hit me really hard. I'd had the flu vaccine in October, so I assume it was a different strain. Definitely flu rather than Covid as I had severe sinus symptoms. I was in bed for nearly a week felt so bad I could barely even watch tv in bed, I certainly couldn't read. After a week I was up and about but washed out. After two weeks I was absolutely fine. In March I started having chest pain and shortness of breath. Sick for 19 days, never as bad as I was with the flu but it continued on for longer. Recovered for 4 days then developed post viral pleurisy in my right lung on day 23 and costochondritis over the following week. The doctor who treated me can't say for definite what virus it was but said it was likely to be Covid. I'm on day 51 now, still having chest inflammation and breathing issues.

There appears to be a growing number of people reporting a long illness, so at least I don't feel like I'm going mad anymore. At this point I'm expecting recovery to take at least another month, I know that whenever I push myself too much I relapse. I'm trying to find a balance between getting enough rest and stagnation/muscle tightness from too much rest but it's really hard because I'm trying to figure it out blind. I don't know why recovery is taking so long. It may have to do with my immune system having been hit in January. It may be because I have an autoimmune condition (endometriosis). It may be something else completely.

Refractions · 07-05-2020 02:19PM

Don't think Donald will be impressed by Leo's toilet roll remark. &#55357;&#56837;

speckle · 07-05-2020 02:20PM

Correct me if I am wrong on the HSE influzenza graphic. The cross over week of influzenza into covid19 is week 9 aprox. end of february into start March.
This year we had a nasty infuenza strain the Victoria B? but the vacine did not cover the exact strain. This would probably account more likely for the nasty flu even if vacinated. And vacinations are never 100% perfect. But alot people think they are covered, due to a lack of education (which is changing) from dept of health and gp's etc.

Hurrache · 07-05-2020 02:22PM

Arghus wrote: »

Leo does have a history of shooting his mouth of off too from time to time.

I still don't see how it could have been here in December/January, circulating for ages, given that the pattern of infections, exponential growth and hospital admissions plots pretty perfectly with the introduction of a novel, highly infectious virus into the country at the end of February. It doesn't add up.

All he said was that it's possible, nobody can yet say it's impossible given what we just heard from France.

Seamai · 07-05-2020 02:24PM

Snow Garden wrote: »

A lot of people say they got influenza and only had a bad cold and/or chest infection.
The flu is a nasty dose.

I also know that and I'm one of those people who dismisses most claims of flu as nothing more than a bad cold. The last time I had the flu was over 25 years ago, it knocked me out of action for 3 weeks, not to sound dramatic but there were times when I wondered if I'd even pull through hence the reason I get the vaccine.

Fr_Dougal · 07-05-2020 02:24PM

What’s the story with Spain? Their numbers look a bit high.

Drumpot · 07-05-2020 02:27PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

There are a lot of people that pretty much want to feel that they had it in latter 2019/early 2020. But there is no proof that they had anything other than a bad dose of something, unless reliable antibody tests come along cheaply and efficiently for everyone.

I say that as someone that had it back then. (Not tested, just know I had it )

The thing I dont see answered is Why did the virus not kill a high proportion of vulnerable people from December?

I can get on board with “virus may of been around longer then we thought” if there’s explanations beyond anecdotal Innuendo.

Rob A. Bank · 07-05-2020 02:27PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No idea how mild or serious a dose either had, don't really care either. My comment was in reply to a poster using prehaps the worst case scenario they can find. I used Tubs and Claire B as the majority in Ireland know of them.

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Sam Russell · 07-05-2020 02:35PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Yes, I've seen all three.

I have a small packet of surgical face masks (they are a few years old, I didn't go out to buy up supplies and take away from healthcare workers)... There is zero instructions on the packet on how to wear them.

Have you ever bought a pack of toilet rolls from Lidl?

They come with instructions on how to use them. I kid you not.

Away With The Fairies · 07-05-2020 02:42PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Have you ever bought a pack of toilet rolls from Lidl?

They come with instructions on how to use them. I kid you not.

Is this for real? Anybody with toilet paper from Lidl stick up a picture?

Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

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