Relaxation of restrictions Part II

growleaves · 06-05-2020 10:49PM

Professor Ferguson leads the team at Imperial College London that handed a bombshell piece of research to the government that said failing to take drastic action would cause 250,000 deaths and overwhelm the NHS.

It was a hammer blow to the government's initial hopes of defeating the virus by building "herd immunity" in the community.

But despite his support for the nationwide lockdown, Prof Ferguson failed to follow social distancing rules himself. Just last week he warned lifting the lockdown too early could risk an additional 100,000 deaths.

On at least two occasions, Ms Staats travelled across London to see the government scientist.

Her first visit, on March 30, coincided with a public warning by Prof Ferguson the lockdown measures would need to stay in place until June.

She made a second trip on April 8 despite telling friends she suspected her husband - an academic in his thirties - had coronavirus symptoms.

Prof Ferguson accepted he had made an "error of judgement and took the wrong course of action"

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Cork Boy 53 · 06-05-2020 10:51PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Nice to have engaged you again, still waiting for your reply as to why none of your friends gave any sympathy to the poster with the surgery cancelled last night.

How do you feel about that?

What post was that? I don`t remember reading it.

ChelseaRentBoy · 06-05-2020 10:53PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Austria had 34 new cases today and 2 deaths.

We have 265 new cases and 37 deaths.

We are just not at that point.

And won't be for a long time. We just aren't paying the virus the respect it deserves. People going around like it's over the last few days, no masks to be seen either.

gozunda · 06-05-2020 10:54PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Unless you are over 80 and/or are clinically obese or have a number of serious underlying conditions there's probably more chance of you dying in a plane crash than from covid 19.Healthy people need to get over the fear of covid 19. If you have a healthy immune system you will be fine.
Be concerned for the seriously ill who you should be distancing from in any case.
Its very likely many Irish people already had covid 19 and didn't even know it.

Talking of foreign holiday travel ...

Anyone can get Covid-19. Pick it up on the plane for example and If you are lucky enough not to get sick from it (there is no guarantees btw) - just remember testing positive whilst abroad - you'll likley end up in at least 2 weeks quarantine. You certainly wont be sitting on a beach or getting your end away or whatever you like to get up to whilst on holiday.

To the idiots who are planning on heading away and ignoring that the world is still in the midst of a pandemic - it's a fairly sure fire way of finding out what real lockdown feels like

timmy_mallet · 06-05-2020 10:54PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why would I or my family not be in the list of those likely to die, eh? Non sequitur.

Kermit.de.frog · 06-05-2020 10:57PM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

And won't be for a long time. We just aren't paying the virus the respect it deserves. People going around like it's over the last few days, no masks to be seen either.

Tony Holohan said tonight he is not happy with progress.

But we don't do experts anymore by the looks of things.

scamalert · 06-05-2020 10:57PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yes. Both were. But I think we can both agree that this time 2 days from now we will talk about 5 companies. And you might say ah well all 5 werent doing that well before lockdown. etc etc.

Businesses need help now more than ever before. Leo really has got to backtrack on his turtle plan. And if he does, I personally will respect him for it.

cant see it happening were past no return point, running small caffee restaurant, at current rent insurance costs and even if their told to operate at half capacity no one will que for half an hour, tons of jobs affected- well rather be lost for foreseeable future.

McDonald's wont re open at least till mid july and if same measures kept in place prob will be way longer, some might say its good to see em go, but reality is anyone from working in place to deliveries and factories down to farmers will have massive know down effect, so yes today its few next week it will be dozen adding up each day.

Ginger n Lemon · 06-05-2020 10:57PM

gozunda wrote: »

Talking of going on holidays ...

Anyone can get Covid-19. If you are lucky enough not to get sick from it (there is no guarantees btw) - just remember if you test positive whilst abroad - youl likley end up in quarantine. You certainly wont be sitting on a beach or getting your end away or whatever you like to get up to whilst on holiday.

To be fair it's a fairly good way of finding out what real lockdown feels like

Woah, so you think not being able to go to the barbers for 5 months is not a real lockdown? You are 1 tough individual let me tell you.

tobefrank321 · 06-05-2020 10:58PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You can get these tests at airports now. Friend look at last page of this thread... You ll be amazed how quickly testing becomes available. Vienna airport first. Barcelona airport next. And i am flying to 1 of these.

And yes, Roche has capacity to produce 100 million tests per month. (Europe's population is under 400 million, so unless Roche sells to US first which they could or might not, I should get 1 given end of August is 4 months away)

Ingenuity, intelligence and technology will be our way out of this mess.
Its a 21st century problem that requires 21st century solutions.

Ginger n Lemon · 06-05-2020 11:00PM

scamalert wrote: »

cant see it happening were past no return point, running small caffee restaurant, at current rent insurance costs and even if their told to operate at half capacity no one will que for half an hour, tons of jobs affected.

McDonald's wont re open at least till mid july and if same measures kept in place prob will be way longer, some might say its good to see em go, but reality is anyone from working in place to deliveries and factories down to farmers will have massive know down effect, so yes today its few next week it will be dozen adding up each day.

We cant be past point of no return, we have been in this extension of a lockdown for just less than a week now. 3 + associations have contacted government requesting to open up 6 weeks ahead of schedule just this week, between the 3 of them they employ 200 000 people. Debenhams and Bewleys will seem like child's play in comparison to what could go down if government play stubborn.

easypazz · 06-05-2020 11:00PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Yes. Both were. But I think we can both agree that this time 2 days from now we will talk about 5 companies. And you might say ah well all 5 werent doing that well before lockdown. etc etc.

Businesses need help now more than ever before. Leo really has got to backtrack on his turtle plan. And if he does, I personally will respect him for it.

If they reduced the gap between stages from 3 to 2 weeks everybody would see the destination on the radar.

I suspect the floodgates will open on Monday week though.

People in the construction trade going to coastal resorts for "urgent maintenance" jobs etc. and staying a few mights.

DaithiMa · 06-05-2020 11:01PM

uli84 wrote: »

Keeping kids out of school environment for 6 months non-stop is total madness (yes i know they’d be off jul-aug anyways)

I’ve been looking at Portugal as they went through all this at similar time as Ireland and I think their approach of opening secondary schools mid-May and Primary in June is very reasonable and something i was personally hoping for in here.

My neighbours’ kid cried when told she wouldn’t be going back before September, I cannot even imagine the situation of kids where there are issues in the household

What is the world coming to. I used to cry when I was told I had to go back to school.

timmy_mallet · 06-05-2020 11:03PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Tony Holohan said tonight he is not happy with progress.

But we don't do experts anymore by the looks of things.

Progress of the lockdown measures? Sure we've not been in lockdown, have we?

Beasty · 06-05-2020 11:04PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I am putting you in category 3.
Bandit Luke is in category 1
Pjohnson is category 2
Kermit de Frog is just a troll.

Threadbanned

tobefrank321 · 06-05-2020 11:05PM

Penfailed wrote: »

To be fair, both businesses were in big trouble in the lead up to this already. To use a popular turn of phrase, they have underlying conditions.

That's a fair point. There are others though, Oasis, Laura Ashley, and so on.
Just as many workers live paycheck to paycheck so also do many companies live month to month. Many can survive one to two months without revenue. But when it gets longer than that the vast majority of normally profitable companies will start to struggle to survive and many will go under. 3 months without revenue is enough to kill a lot of businesses.

gozunda · 06-05-2020 11:07PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Woah, so you think not being able to go to the barbers for 5 months is not a real lockdown? You are 1 tough individual let me tell you.

Any one mention a barbers and the word lockdown? Nope. You must replying to the wrong comment again. No worries mate.

But if you are really distressed about your locks - get a hair clippers and get your significant other (if you have one or the Mammy if you dont) to cut your hair. Simples. :pac:

timmy_mallet · 06-05-2020 11:07PM

scamalert wrote: »

cant see it happening were past no return point, running small caffee restaurant, at current rent insurance costs and even if their told to operate at half capacity no one will que for half an hour, tons of jobs affected- well rather be lost for foreseeable future.

McDonald's wont re open at least till mid july and if same measures kept in place prob will be way longer, some might say its good to see em go, but reality is anyone from working in place to deliveries and factories down to farmers will have massive know down effect, so yes today its few next week it will be dozen adding up each day.

Correct, very few bars, cafes, etc will survive it, margins too low. Even large fashion retailers. Penny's is done for. Brown Thomas, forget it. Not possible to operate with the social distancing measures.

easypazz · 06-05-2020 11:10PM

gozunda wrote: »

Any one mention a barbers or the word lockdown? Nope. You must replying to the wrong comment again. No worries mate.

But if you are really distressd about your locks - get a hair clippers and get your significant other (if you have one or the Mammy if you dont) to cut your hair. Simples. :pac:

You mentioned lockdown.

mandrake04 · 06-05-2020 11:15PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You can get these tests at airports now. Friend look at last page of this thread... You ll be amazed how quickly testing becomes available. Vienna airport first. Barcelona airport next. And i am flying to 1 of these.

And yes, Roche has capacity to produce 100 million tests per month. (Europe's population is under 400 million, so unless Roche sells to US first which they could or might not, I should get 1 given end of August is 4 months away)

You haven’t thought of the logistics of this.

You need an analyser that’s the size of a small car to run the test, it’s not one of those retard finger prick type. There’s maybe 10-20 at the most in Ireland and they already near capacity for doing routine hospital work they don’t have infrastructure to do mass serology testing so people can go on holidays.

Getting a test at Barcelona airport is all fine and dandy to the airport it’s all self serving, the Irish government has already said overseas holidays unlikely in 2020. The reason being is they know people will bring the virus back and they are struggling putting out the current fire. There’s no way they will be able to enable trust and reliance on an immunity passport scheme that will take months and months of testing.

I would consider getting out of your house by July as something to look forward to, this idea of holidaying during a global pandemic. Really time to put the crack pipe down.

Edit: These Roche tests are 18mins incubation time, but the fastest Analyser can only do max 300 9 min tests per hour, so 150 hr of these tests. Also are a serum test so blood has to be extracted and centrifuged so how could an airport process all these tests in peak times? Nothing but Fantasy

gozunda · 06-05-2020 11:15PM

easypazz wrote: »

You mentioned lockdown.

Well I was being fairly obviously facetious on all the anti restriction individuals who keep screaming they are in 'lockdown' Whaaaaa!

But in relation to barbers? Did I? Where? No you are mistaken again. Or just trying that signpost argumentation thing. No worries.

Edit: I've changed that to an 'and' so you dont get confused further and start adding other words like - I dont know 'bicycle' or something

tobefrank321 · 06-05-2020 11:16PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Tony Holohan said tonight he is not happy with progress.

But we don't do experts anymore by the looks of things.

If we got numbers down to Austrian levels or even 50 cases a day, something which would take 2 months to do and wreck our economy, as soon as a lockdown is lifted the R0 would go up and you'd be at 400 cases a day again in a month. You'd then need another 3 month lockdown to get us to 50 cases a day. And so on. By which stage we'll be far far beyond the point of saving our economy.

At some stage you have to accept the game is up for general containment and its better to let it run its course among the healthy while isolating the very high risk categories.

I'd rather Holohan focused his energies on identifying these high risk citizens going forward. This will be the next part of the battle.

And the only way you win these battles is start early and be proactive, something we've been unable to do so far.

road_high · 06-05-2020 11:16PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Correct, very few bars, cafes, etc will survive it, margins too low. Even large fashion retailers. Penny's is done for. Brown Thomas, forget it. Not possible to operate with the social distancing measures.

Depressing but a fair assessment. These places employ huge numbers. Terrifying to think of the live register figures

bettyoleary · 06-05-2020 11:18PM

Fogmatic wrote: »

I expect I seem very ignorant, but would somebody mind clarifying how the recent relaxation affects people like me? (Various things have been making it hard for me to keep up, including with this discussion). I have things like the gov.ie page bookmarked, but sometimes find it hard to see the wood from the trees there, especially with the wording sometimes being ambiguous or seemingly contradictory.
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We're a couple who've been confined to our home as over-70s, and I've got the impression that we may now go for a walk (with the usual distancing etc, of course). Is that correct? And if so, does that include those of us who have a garden?

I'm not interested in flouting the rules, or the spirit of them, or finding loopholes in the wording, but if it's a grey area at all I'd welcome any opinions.

It's not that I can't do exercises in the garden, or have any problem using technology to keep in touch, or have ever suffered from boredom - it's just that I find walking very good for thinking straight, and changes of view very mentally nourishing. Even going a few minutes up the nearest lane to get a higher viewpoint would be a boost!

Also I haven't been paying much attention to guidelines while outside the home, as they've been for other people. I'm only aware of the distancing ones, and permitted distance from home. If I can indeed now go for a walk, is there a limit on how often, or the time I can spend on it?

I suppose there isn't many advising you on this as your not worthy of their time. Or more than likely getting in the way of them getting bums on board the old Ryan Air to go and swill a few pints in Benidorm in the Pennys dress with the boyfrfiend sporting a Turkish barber head. Youd actually be best to continue with the lock down as quietly as possible id say because you need to wait for the vaccine.;)

gozunda · 06-05-2020 11:18PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

You haven’t thought of the logistics of this.

You need an analyser that’s the size of a small car to run the test, it’s not one of those retard finger prick type. There’s maybe 10-20 at the most in Ireland and they already near capacity for doing routine hospital work they don’t have infrastructure to do mass serology testing so people can go on holidays.

Getting a test at Barcelona airport is all fine and dandy to the airport it’s all self serving, the Irish government has already said overseas holidays unlikely in 2020. The reason being is they know people will bring the virus back and they are struggling putting out the current fire. There’s no way they will be able to enable trust and reliance on an immunity passport scheme that’s take months and months of testing.

I would consider getting out of your house by July as something to look forward to, this idea of holidaying during a global pandemic. Really time to put the crack pipe down.

Unfortunately some people just don't seem to give a **** tbh

alwald · 06-05-2020 11:19PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Healthy people need to get over the fear of covid 19. If you have a healthy immune system you will be fine.

This is proof that you should never listen to someone's advice on internet/boards...how can you be certain that anyone with a healthy immune system won't die from it?

SusieBlue · 06-05-2020 11:21PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Correct, very few bars, cafes, etc will survive it, margins too low. Even large fashion retailers. Penny's is done for. Brown Thomas, forget it. Not possible to operate with the social distancing measures.

I saw the other day that each Penney’s store has on average 2.5 million euro worth of unsold spring/summer stock sitting in their warehouses.
When you think of how many stores they have that must be a staggering amount of money down the drain.

It’s not only a massive waste of money spent on stock they couldn’t sell, from an environmental point of view by the time things reopen that stock will be out of season so most of it is going to end up in a landfill.
It’s such a waste.

Cork Boy 53 · 06-05-2020 11:22PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Correct, very few bars, cafes, etc will survive it, margins too low. Even large fashion retailers. Penny's is done for. Brown Thomas, forget it. Not possible to operate with the social distancing measures.

So what are you suggesting now? That social distancing should be done away with because it doesn`t suit some stores` business model? Jesus!

timmy_mallet · 06-05-2020 11:23PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

I suppose there isn't many advising you on this as your not worthy of their time. Or more than likely getting in the way of them getting bums on board the old Ryan Air to go and swill a few pints in Benidorm in the Pennys dress with the boyfrfiend sporting a Turkish barber head. Youd actually be best to continue with the lock down as quietly as possible id say because you need to wait for the vaccine.;)

Or, if you're happy with the risk, in a later phase, just carry on. The wait for a vaccine may never end.

ShineOn7 · 06-05-2020 11:24PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Unless you are over 80 and/or are clinically obese or have a number of serious underlying conditions there's probably more chance of you dying in a plane crash than from covid 19.

Healthy people need to get over the fear of covid 19. If you have a healthy immune system you will be fine.

What jaysus planet are you on?!

timmy_mallet · 06-05-2020 11:24PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

So what are you suggesting now? That social distancing should be done away with because it doesn`t suit some stores` business model? Jesus!

No.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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