Relaxation of restrictions Part II

uli84 · 06-05-2020 11:08AM

In the meantime-FINANCE MINISTER PASCHAL Donohoe has said the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) will continue beyond its original end date but that the level of the payment may change.

https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-unemployment-payment-wage-subsidy-scheme-5092303-May2020/

lawrencesummers · 06-05-2020 11:09AM

partyguinness wrote: »

I don't really care whether you believe me or not and yes I am fine with that. **** happens.

Of course everything must be done to keep it down but there is a point where enough is enough now.

Thousands of people die from car crashes every years. Hell hundreds if not thousands of people will die today in a car crash but I am still going to drive home later. I may get killed. **** happens.

As Bill Clinton said: "It's the economy, stupid."

Never a truer word spoken.

And there is a perfect example of you making a point and missing the point.

People die in car crashes, but less die because of the raft of measures that governments bring in to reduce it. Car safety levels, speed limits, driver education, alcohol limits, eye sight checks, Examinations of Driving skills etc etc etc.

**** happens, but less **** happens because some of it can be controlled and mitigated. Like what’s happening now with temporary restrictions.

Discokiiid · 06-05-2020 11:09AM

What do we think about shopping centres? The likes of normal stores? River island , JD Etc?

Penfailed · 06-05-2020 11:09AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You're completely misconstruing my point. What im saying is you pulled up the poster for his reaction to the current death toll for covid and I asked what about the other 50 million deaths per annum. I don't know how you got around to cutting pieta house and cancer research funding other than a half arsed attempt to shame me.

Laughable. He was responding to YOUR half arsed attempt to shame HIM.

Cork Boy 53 · 06-05-2020 11:10AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Minister for finance says govt. strategy will help Ireland avoid 2nd wave, in response to NZ PM saying Ireland is very slow.

Ahh the dreaded 2nd wave applicable to Ireland only.

What makes you think the second wave, when and if it comes, will be applicable only to Ireland?

seamus · 06-05-2020 11:11AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It says the hotels will open in phase 4 but there is still hotels open in Dublin city

There is still a need for hotels in various areas; essential workers, homeless people, etc.

A limited number of hotels are open, but they're not booking in tourists or couples off on a cheeky weekend.

lawrencesummers · 06-05-2020 11:11AM

partyguinness wrote: »

Ireland looks like a beacon of sensibility compared to the **** show over here in England.

Difference is that Ireland is a small sparsely populated country where every one knows everyone.

In England, nobody gives a ****.

Here comes the racism train

Kermit.de.frog · 06-05-2020 11:12AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Emotional decisions are always the worst. Leo, Simon & Tony will have a lot to answer for, given the scale of this shambles I can see all 3 of them needing to testify, and come up with factual things to say rather than "keep deaths as low as possible".

Are you feeling ok?

Seems to me there are a small group of posters here who have completely lost the plot.

Is it worry, fear, panic...?

Ginger n Lemon · 06-05-2020 11:14AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are you feeling ok?

Seems to me there are a small group of posters here who have completely lost the plot.

Is it worry, fear, panic...?

I am not ok. 25% of 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for many years to come.

I dont understand how anyone can be ok. Especially people in the current decision making capacity.

Kermit.de.frog · 06-05-2020 11:17AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not ok. 25% of 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for many years to come.

What are you basing this on?

partyguinness · 06-05-2020 11:17AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Send me on a link to your outdated essays. I would be interested in reading them.

Yeah because my final year university essays are available online and anyway they would be way above your head.

If my little posts have upset you this much you will need therapy once you read how the world's corporations operate.

easypazz · 06-05-2020 11:18AM

uli84 wrote: »

In the meantime-FINANCE MINISTER PASCHAL Donohoe has said the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) will continue beyond its original end date but that the level of the payment may change.

https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-unemployment-payment-wage-subsidy-scheme-5092303-May2020/

Disgraceful, hitting the people who have suffered the most.

How about they hit the public sector, who have experienced no loss from this.

In fact an awful lot of them are up money as they are not spending it on driving to work, creche, eating out in restaurants, hair dressers and all the rest.

RugbyLad11 · 06-05-2020 11:18AM

seamus wrote: »

There is still a need for hotels in various areas; essential workers, homeless people, etc.

A limited number of hotels are open, but they're not booking in tourists or couples off on a cheeky weekend.

Believe it or not there are still some tourist in Dublin so they must be staying in hotels

seamus · 06-05-2020 11:19AM

easypazz wrote: »

Sweden's medical team believe the 2.3million Stockholm metro area will have achieved herd immunity in weeks.

But, wait, I thought Sweden wasn't officially pursuing a herd immunity strategy? Are they now admitting that they made such a balls of it that they've ended up with a de facto herd immunity strategy?

If a second wave hits in September who is to say Sweden will see very little of it but Denmark and Finland will see another round of death and come back in line with them.

Same with the UK, maybe the short term pain will be worth it, as they won't get another wallop in a possible second wave.

Lot of uncertainty in that statement, to be fair. If there is a second wave, and if it can't be kept under control, then other countries might see more deaths than Sweden. That's if herd immunity lasts longer then a few months.

On the other hand if a second wave doesn't come, or if it does and can be kept under control, then it turns out that the countries who went with a herd immunity strategy just let thousands of people die for nothing.

It's a high stakes gamble. One I would rather a government didn't take.

06-05-2020 11:19AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are you feeling ok?

Seems to me there are a small group of posters here who have completely lost the plot.

Is it worry, fear, panic...?

The worry, fear and panic is with the lockdown merchants IMO, who have completely lost the plot. They are clearly comfortably situated with their job or COVID payment, and not that bothered about everyone else. Not those worried for their jobs and the future of our country

lawrencesummers · 06-05-2020 11:20AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not ok. 25% of 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for many years to come.

I dont understand how anyone can be ok. Especially people in the current decision making capacity.

No they won’t, it’s more like 75% of the useless 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for years to come, jobs markets like every other market contract, and after years of expansion a contraction was going to happen at some stage.

Those who work hard and apply themselves Will be fine.

Your job is the thing that simply put you predominately get what you deserve in this life

ChelseaRentBoy · 06-05-2020 11:20AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not ok. 25% of 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for many years to come.

I dont understand how anyone can be ok. Especially people in the current decision making capacity.

You really need to stop being so pessimistic. It's not good for ones mental health.

gozunda · 06-05-2020 11:21AM

growleaves wrote: »

No, people should have their say. Take off to foreign climes yourself if you can't handle disagreement. You're free to take the government line on everything and rubbish anyone with a different opinion but people can talk back too.

Nope. You've got that wrong. Its bugger all to do with 'opinion' - rather it's the half baked logic like the one to which I replied is the issue. As usual it's the few advocating euthenasia or similar and that every other country but here is the best and and we should be just like them. As in the example given - Sweden seems to be the place of choice for most of the same. It's a quick solution and everyone will he happy. I'll take that over wanting to wipe out the elderly. Hell I'll even donate to paying the airfares.

ELM327 · 06-05-2020 11:21AM

easypazz wrote: »

Disgraceful, hitting the people who have suffered the most.

How about they hit the public sector, who have experienced no loss from this.

In fact an awful lot of them are up money as they are not spending it on driving to work, creche, eating out in restaurants, hair dressers and all the rest.

At 175mn per week added to the already bloated DSP bill it's not sustainable.
The bill for 12 weeks of 350 payment to 500k people is already €2.1bn

lawrencesummers · 06-05-2020 11:21AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Believe it or not there are still some tourist in Dublin so they must be staying in hotels

Yea, because there is no possibility they are staying elsewhere. Like isolated Airbnb, family, friends.....

That couldn’t happen, it must be the dammed hotels

easypazz · 06-05-2020 11:22AM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Believe it or not there are still some tourist in Dublin so they must be staying in hotels

Plenty of availability on booking.com for Dublin tomorrow night.

I doubt they will ask any questions when you arrive at the desk.

In any case if you just say you have an urgent medical appointment or visiting sick relative it will probably get you past the guards / hotel receptionist.

partyguinness · 06-05-2020 11:22AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And there is a perfect example of you making a point and missing the point.

People die in car crashes, but less die because of the raft of measures that governments bring in to reduce it. Car safety levels, speed limits, driver education, alcohol limits, eye sight checks, Examinations of Driving skills etc etc etc.

**** happens, but less **** happens because some of it can be controlled and mitigated. Like what’s happening now with temporary restrictions.

That is exactly my point but now enough is enough. Open back up and let people decide themselves if they want to keep self isolating.

That is the very point I made at the outset but you decided to stick your head in a cloud of indignation.

jmayo · 06-05-2020 11:23AM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

we can all play that game , anyone born in the 1940,s lived like a king compared to someone born in ireland in the 1840,s

your post is nothing but well dressed whataboutery

the over seventies should have been ringfenced by force and if some of them either through stupidity or pig headedness , decided to break curfew , had no one to blame but themselves , ditto for those with respitory conditions , the government completely dropped the ball with regard the nursing homes , it was a blindingly obvious hotspot , dont however try and pretend that the shut everything down approach was about anything but trying to stay on side with an extremely powerful political demographic, had the elderly been singled out for clampdown , joe duffy would have been doing liveline for twelve hours each day , the wailing about how the elderly were being treated differently would have been too much for the government to bear so the rest of us had to join the whole life in limbo thing for three months , it was about making no one feel different

the government were told that the elderly were most at risk and then fearful that the rest of the population would pass it on and the headlines would read " government kills granny " , decided to kneecap the entire economy rather than surgically focus on the very specific vulnerable demographic

I was in the group born early 70s and I know fooking well I had it a lot better than my parents, their parents. or anyone before.
Most of them had to emigrate, some got to come home again, but others like one of my grandfathers is buried in New York. His wife or most of his kids never to see his grave.
Yes some of his kids did because they ended up in the states for most of their lives as well.
I was lucky because I was in a generation that got an education.
I was also lucky in that I got job in Ireland unlike a fair amount of my school mates.

BTW if it was all a grand sop to the edlerly6 voter base then why the fook did nearly every country round the world do something similar?

Come on genius is every country in the world that concerned with the over 70s voter base ?

Like China for instance ????

growleaves · 06-05-2020 11:24AM

But, wait, I thought Sweden wasn't officially pursuing a herd immunity strategy? Are they now admitting that they made such a balls of it that they've ended up with a de facto herd immunity strategy?

They said from the beginning that herd immunity might be a by-product of their strategy which is to protect the elderly/vulnerable, enforce strict social distancing, social gatherings under 50 people etc. for everyone else

facehugger99 · 06-05-2020 11:24AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

What is so radically different over here?

Our politicians are cowards.

jmayo · 06-05-2020 11:28AM

lord quackinton wrote: »

I hate doing this but you have not got a clue
None of your post makes any sense unless you have not and assume you will never be affected by this lockdown
Public servant? Teacher? HSE admin?
My guess is teacher

Before I answer your full post I will need your job title and employer please?
I am an accountant and have already posted my job and salary will not be affected by this, I come here with clean hands and honesty
A lot of posters like yourself who back the lockdown will not give their job title and employer because once they did the cat would be out of the bag and they would be seen as the hypocrites that they are

Job title and employer please
Then I will explain to you why your post is wrong

Yeah I am going to divulge personal information to some plonker on a web message board.

And you of course are an accountant.

If so how come you are one of those that refuse to acknowledge that we are an open economy almost totally dependent on foreign trade and foreign visitors ????
We can open every fooking thing up but lots of places will have no business.

BTW you are shyte at guessing also.

And if you did cursory glance at my post history you would realise what I do work at.

Kermit.de.frog · 06-05-2020 11:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The worry, fear and panic is with the lockdown merchants IMO, who have completely lost the plot

Think you'll find the only "merchants" here are those offering up doomsday economic scenarios.

FintanMcluskey · 06-05-2020 11:29AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

No they won’t, it’s more like 75% of the useless 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for years to come, jobs markets like every other market contract, and after years of expansion a contraction was going to happen at some stage.

Those who work hard and apply themselves Will be fine.

Your job is the thing that simply put you predominately get what you deserve in this life

That's a staggeringly ignorant post.

A staggering amount of people are in position's, especially those reaching retiring age, in positions 30 plus years, that if they had to apply for the job they have again, they wouldn't get called for an interview.

lawrencesummers · 06-05-2020 11:29AM

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah because my final year university essays are available online and anyway they would be way above your head.

If my little posts have upset you this much you will need therapy once you read how the world's corporations operate.

I was only joking, you might have missed it. It would take a lot more than a 6 week lockdown to read any expansion of your nonsense.

facehugger99 · 06-05-2020 11:30AM

easypazz wrote: »

Disgraceful, hitting the people who have suffered the most.

How about they hit the public sector, who have experienced no loss from this.

In fact an awful lot of them are up money as they are not spending it on driving to work, creche, eating out in restaurants, hair dressers and all the rest.

The last recession demonstrated that protecting cushy public-service pay and pensions will be the No. 1 priority.

Hundreds of thousands of job losses in the private sector will be sacrificed before a single public servant suffers a pay cut, much less a redundancy.

There are choices - we could maintain capital spending to generate employment in the construction industry for example but you'd probably have to tell the Guards, Teachers and Civil Servants they need to take a pay cut.

No prizes for guessing what our spinless politicians will choose to do when the time comes.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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