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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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seamus

easypazz wrote: »

Sweden's medical team believe the 2.3million Stockholm metro area will have achieved herd immunity in weeks.

But, wait, I thought Sweden wasn't officially pursuing a herd immunity strategy? Are they now admitting that they made such a balls of it that they've ended up with a de facto herd immunity strategy?

If a second wave hits in September who is to say Sweden will see very little of it but Denmark and Finland will see another round of death and come back in line with them.

Same with the UK, maybe the short term pain will be worth it, as they won't get another wallop in a possible second wave.

Lot of uncertainty in that statement, to be fair. If there is a second wave, and if it can't be kept under control, then other countries might see more deaths than Sweden. That's if herd immunity lasts longer then a few months.

On the other hand if a second wave doesn't come, or if it does and can be kept under control, then it turns out that the countries who went with a herd immunity strategy just let thousands of people die for nothing.

It's a high stakes gamble. One I would rather a government didn't take.

RugbyLad11

seamus wrote: »

There is still a need for hotels in various areas; essential workers, homeless people, etc.

A limited number of hotels are open, but they're not booking in tourists or couples off on a cheeky weekend.

Believe it or not there are still some tourist in Dublin so they must be staying in hotels

easypazz

uli84 wrote: »

In the meantime-FINANCE MINISTER PASCHAL Donohoe has said the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) will continue beyond its original end date but that the level of the payment may change.

https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-unemployment-payment-wage-subsidy-scheme-5092303-May2020/

Disgraceful, hitting the people who have suffered the most.

How about they hit the public sector, who have experienced no loss from this.

In fact an awful lot of them are up money as they are not spending it on driving to work, creche, eating out in restaurants, hair dressers and all the rest.

partyguinness

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Send me on a link to your outdated essays. I would be interested in reading them.

Yeah because my final year university essays are available online and anyway they would be way above your head.

If my little posts have upset you this much you will need therapy once you read how the world's corporations operate.

Kermit.de.frog

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am not ok. 25% of 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for many years to come.

What are you basing this on?

Ginger n Lemon

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Are you feeling ok?

Seems to me there are a small group of posters here who have completely lost the plot.

Is it worry, fear, panic...?

I am not ok. 25% of 18-35 year olds will be unemployed for many years to come.

I dont understand how anyone can be ok. Especially people in the current decision making capacity.

Kermit.de.frog

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Emotional decisions are always the worst. Leo, Simon & Tony will have a lot to answer for, given the scale of this shambles I can see all 3 of them needing to testify, and come up with factual things to say rather than "keep deaths as low as possible".

Are you feeling ok?

Seems to me there are a small group of posters here who have completely lost the plot.

Is it worry, fear, panic...?

lawrencesummers

partyguinness wrote: »

Ireland looks like a beacon of sensibility compared to the **** show over here in England.

Difference is that Ireland is a small sparsely populated country where every one knows everyone.

In England, nobody gives a ****.

Here comes the racism train

seamus

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It says the hotels will open in phase 4 but there is still hotels open in Dublin city

There is still a need for hotels in various areas; essential workers, homeless people, etc.

A limited number of hotels are open, but they're not booking in tourists or couples off on a cheeky weekend.

Cork Boy 53

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Minister for finance says govt. strategy will help Ireland avoid 2nd wave, in response to NZ PM saying Ireland is very slow.

Ahh the dreaded 2nd wave applicable to Ireland only.

What makes you think the second wave, when and if it comes, will be applicable only to Ireland?

Penfailed

LiquidZeb wrote: »

You're completely misconstruing my point. What im saying is you pulled up the poster for his reaction to the current death toll for covid and I asked what about the other 50 million deaths per annum. I don't know how you got around to cutting pieta house and cancer research funding other than a half arsed attempt to shame me.

Laughable. He was responding to YOUR half arsed attempt to shame HIM.

Discokiiid

What do we think about shopping centres? The likes of normal stores? River island , JD Etc?

lawrencesummers

partyguinness wrote: »

I don't really care whether you believe me or not and yes I am fine with that. **** happens.

Of course everything must be done to keep it down but there is a point where enough is enough now.

Thousands of people die from car crashes every years. Hell hundreds if not thousands of people will die today in a car crash but I am still going to drive home later. I may get killed. **** happens.

As Bill Clinton said: "It's the economy, stupid."

Never a truer word spoken.

And there is a perfect example of you making a point and missing the point.

People die in car crashes, but less die because of the raft of measures that governments bring in to reduce it. Car safety levels, speed limits, driver education, alcohol limits, eye sight checks, Examinations of Driving skills etc etc etc.

**** happens, but less **** happens because some of it can be controlled and mitigated. Like what’s happening now with temporary restrictions.

uli84

In the meantime-FINANCE MINISTER PASCHAL Donohoe has said the Pandemic Unemployment Payment (PUP) will continue beyond its original end date but that the level of the payment may change.

https://www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-unemployment-payment-wage-subsidy-scheme-5092303-May2020/

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

For all the talk about Sweden, they're not doing well in comparison to their nearest neighbours.

Deaths per million - Sweden 118, Denmark 55 and Finland 13 (six times less than Sweden).

But this "match" is far from over.

Sweden's medical team believe the 2.3million Stockholm metro area will have achieved herd immunity in weeks.

If a second wave hits in September who is to say Sweden will see very little of it but Denmark and Finland will see another round of death and come back in line with them.

Same with the UK, maybe the short term pain will be worth it, as they won't get another wallop in a possible second wave.

Nobody knows really.

partyguinness

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Emotional decisions are always the worst. Leo, Simon & Tony will have a lot to answer for, given the scale of this shambles I can see all 3 of them needing to testify, and come up with factual things to say rather than "keep deaths as low as possible".

Ireland looks like a beacon of sensibility compared to the **** show over here in England.

Difference is that Ireland is a small sparsely populated country where every one knows everyone.

In England, nobody gives a ****.

partyguinness

lawrencesummers wrote: »

And your ok with that?

I would also say that I don’t believe you.

I don't really care whether you believe me or not and yes I am fine with that. **** happens.

Of course everything must be done to keep it down but there is a point where enough is enough now.

Thousands of people die from car crashes every years. Hell hundreds if not thousands of people will die today in a car crash but I am still going to drive home later. I may get killed. **** happens.

As Bill Clinton said: "It's the economy, stupid."

Never a truer word spoken.

Ginger n Lemon

Minister for finance says govt. strategy will help Ireland avoid 2nd wave, in response to NZ PM saying Ireland is very slow.

Ahh the dreaded 2nd wave applicable to Ireland only.

lawrencesummers

partyguinness wrote: »

It goes back hundreds of years and it is still prevalent today. What I said is not new- that is my point but you really are determined to completely twist it around regardless.

Now I have a comprehensive third level education in this sphere. I have even written long essays on the topic (albeit 20 over years ago). Clearly you have not so I may as well be posting to my 4 years old.

Problem here is that people are allowing emotion to dictate.

Send me on a link to your outdated essays. I would be interested in reading them.

KrustyUCC

Hairdressers plead with government to let them reopen before July

"Salons will not reopen until Phase 4 of the government's roadmap plan, meaning they will remain closed until July 20, because they are not deemed essential services.

But the group wants salons to be moved into Phase 3 of the plan, on June 29, due to fears of a black market economy."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/hairdressers-plead-with-government-to-let-them-reopen-before-july-997886.html

I still can't figure out why our hairdressers are in phase 4 July 20th yet hairdressers in Denmark could be opened 3 months at that stage

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52360452

What is so radically different over here?

Ginger n Lemon

partyguinness wrote: »

It goes back hundreds of years and it is still prevalent today. What I said is not new- that is my point but you really are determined to completely twist it around regardless.

Now I have a comprehensive third level education in this sphere. I have even written long essays on the topic (albeit 20 over years ago). Clearly you have not so I may as well be posting to my 4 years old.

Problem here is that people are allowing emotion to dictate.

Emotional decisions are always the worst. Leo, Simon & Tony will have a lot to answer for, given the scale of this shambles I can see all 3 of them needing to testify, and come up with factual things to say rather than "keep deaths as low as possible".

Penfailed

gozunda wrote: »

For all those ranting and raving about restrictions possibly the best course of action is to take off to the likes of Sweden or elsewhere and let the rest of the same majority get on with dealing with reality.

For all the talk about Sweden, they're not doing well in comparison to their nearest neighbours.

Deaths per million - Sweden 118, Denmark 55 and Finland 13 (six times less than Sweden).

RugbyLad11

Stark wrote: »

July 20th (Phase 4) by the looks of it.

https://assets.gov.ie/73722/ffd17d70fbb64b498fd809dde548f411.pdf

It says the hotels will open in phase 4 but there is still hotels open in Dublin city

partyguinness

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Ideology that goes back 200 years doesn’t make it right, in fact it’s a greater reason for it to be completely wrong. Things were generally totally **** 200 years ago. This might come as a surprise to you, but running water, modern medicine, flushing toilets, safety and security didn’t always exist.

It goes back hundreds of years and it is still prevalent today. What I said is not new- that is my point but you really are determined to completely twist it around regardless.

Now I have a comprehensive third level education in this sphere. I have even written long essays on the topic (albeit 20 over years ago). Clearly you have not so I may as well be posting to my 4 years old.

Problem here is that people are allowing emotion to dictate.

tobefrank321

growleaves wrote: »

I think a phony "war of generations" is beside the point and people should be careful about buying into a false dichotomy and thinking in terms of expediency.

It would be possible to shield the elderly and vulnerable without economic deep-freeze and internal travel restrictions etc.

Exactly and we've had 6 weeks to come up with this plan and there is little evidence of one.

LiquidZeb

boring accountant wrote: »

I absolutely agree. The youth are being forced out of work to help save their boss and their landlords skin.

Yeah out to risk our necks to save the cruise 3 times a year brigade. Off we ****ing go.

[Deleted User]

MarkY91 wrote: »

There never was a lockdown lads.

And yet our infection and death numbers are right down and continue to head in the right direction

boring accountant

partyguinness wrote: »

Just another example of the Baby Boomer generation looking after themselves (along with cushy pensions, massive equity, and all the other perks you get at 65).

They have already screwed over the youth with Brexit, hoarded the housing stock, ****ed the environment and now this...oh but if anyone complains oh sure you are just a whiny 'snowflake' phone zombie.

ps I am writing this from England so a slightly different angle.

I absolutely agree. The youth are being forced out of work to help save their boss and their landlords skin.

niallo27

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I mentioned it in my reply to your post. Straight question for you. Would you personally be in favour of euthanasia for people who are "well beyond their economic use"?

This kind of **** talk derails everything, if you think he is talking ****e just ignore him.

lawrencesummers

partyguinness wrote: »

I know 5 through work that have died (all over 70 with underlying conditions) and I personally know at least 4 others recovering from it at the moment including my wife's aunt.

And your ok with that?

I would also say that I don’t believe you.