Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 03:33PM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

This is completely distorted. There are many times that many people who have actually had corona virus. Cillian De Gascun said there is a possibility it could be between 5% and 30% of the population. So even if you took the lower 5% it works out at 0.65% of cases.
There is not an expert in the world willing to state a percentage fatality rate and until we have the antibody test to see who has or hasn't had this thing we wont be able to predict one.

21% of 8.4m New york city population had coronavirus according to antibodies testing, confirmed by official NYC gov source. Mortality worked out at 0.55%.

easypazz · 04-05-2020 03:40PM

road_high wrote: »

Hopefully this nonsensical nanny state rubbish falls flat on its arse soon. Insanity compared to the continent where common sense rains supreme.

Tomorrow hopefully, I expect a lot more traffic on the road, too much for the Guards to check every car, so the checkpoints will be scaled back.

normanoffside · 04-05-2020 03:40PM

hmmm wrote: »

If he said that (proof?) he's wrong. The 5k limit is for exercise from your home. You are not supposed to be driving to a location 5k away, and I expect this is how the guards will enforce it.

Until the 4th phase, we are told to avoid unnecessary journeys (car journeys).

You have always been able to drive outside the 2k/5k if you have good reason e.g. food shopping, looking after elderly.

Yeah from 2:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtYYCEg8LAE

Stark · 04-05-2020 03:40PM

JL555 wrote: »

He also went on to talk about masks and said the jury is still out on masks,,, what jury is he on about? the Eurovision jury? He also said if people are going to wear masks that he would prefer them to coverings rather than masks, to keep those for the HSE, he needs to be careful about those type of comments also, because the lockdown psychos will become the mask police and if they see people wearing PPE masks in public, the snide comments will be sickening.

As far as I know, surgical masks (the cheap disposable kind that don't do much for stopping a healthy wearer from getting infected but are good at stopping infected wearers from infecting other people) are fairly plentiful but the respirator masks (the more expensive kind that are effective at preventing the wearer from infection) are not. Wouldn't trust the lockdown psychos to know the difference so yeah, expect snide comments.

On the jury still out issue, IMO they're getting hung up on the issue of the surgical masks not being effective at preventing a healthy wearer from being infected but the point should be that if you have widespread usage at a population level, then transmission from infected people wearing them should be reduced. At the moment, there's no point in me wearing one to the shops and being the only one as I'm not getting that population level benefit. But once they make it a mandate/strong recommendation, I will definitely be partaking.

road_high · 04-05-2020 03:46PM

easypazz wrote: »

Tomorrow hopefully, I expect a lot more traffic on the road, too much for the Guards to check every car, so the checkpoints will be scaled back.

And they might get back to real policing instead of hassling innocent private citizens? We live in hope- though they seem to be led by an unyielding authoritarian dish cloth. Today on their social media they've been busy flying Donegal taking pictures....Very little respect for AGS after this, not sure how others feel. I was a big supporter hitherto

Stark · 04-05-2020 03:49PM

road_high wrote: »

And they might get back to real instead of hassling innocent private citizens? We live in hope- though they seem to be led by an unyielding authoritarian dish cloth. Very little respect for AGS after this, not sure how others feel. I was a big supporter hitherto

I had respect for them until that tweet where they were taking smug pleasure in turning some poor old man home without his parcel after catching him out on the post office being more than 2km away.

KrustyUCC · 04-05-2020 03:49PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah from 2:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtYYCEg8LAE

I think travel in that instance is a bit misleading

I think the exercise has just expanded from 2 to 5km from tomorrow

I don't think you can travel 5km for exercise to a beach etc in your car

Micky 32 · 04-05-2020 03:49PM

easypazz wrote: »

1303/21506 = ~6%

That’s 21506 confirmed cases. There’s a lot more out there that has/had it and never got tested. That’s not a true mortality %

road_high · 04-05-2020 03:53PM

Stark wrote: »

I had respect for them until that tweet where they were taking smug pleasure in turning some poor old man home without his parcel after catching him out on the post office being more than 2km away.

Saw that up on Facebook too....revelling in the nonsense. They might not be so smug with the paycut coming their way though....

Personal accounts of them checking car boot for shopping (being delivered to elderly parents in rural area)...also turning cars about from a small town that wanted to go shopping in bigger, cheaper stores for groceries in neighbouring large town. I'll never respect that kind of inanely petty carry on. Appreciate many think it's wonderful though

normanoffside · 04-05-2020 04:02PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I think travel in that instance is a bit misleading

I think the exercise has just expanded from 2 to 5km from tomorrow

I don't think you can travel 5km for exercise to a beach etc in your car

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0501/1136173-gaa-and-soccer-projected-to-resume-in-july/

Golf courses are to reopen on 18th May.

Are people really supposed to walk to them?

There's blind following of rules and then there's common sense, if people are allowed to drive 5km and they are allowed to exercise 5km from home, can both not be combined?

rob316 · 04-05-2020 04:07PM

And the pressure begins, the vintners want to reopen 6 weeks earlier.

rob316 · 04-05-2020 04:08PM

And the pressure begins, the vintners want to reopen 6 weeks earlier.

boardise · 04-05-2020 04:09PM

the kelt wrote: »

I’ve seen this brought up a few times but now does the fact other countries have had issues with nursing homes somehow negate our issues?

As if it’s alright sure other countries made mistakes too?? I’ve seen France and Sweden being mentioned as other countries with nursing home issues yet they still seem to be progressing faster than ourselves.

Are there other countries with nursing home issues being hampered like ourselves in easing restrictions? Genuine question as I don’t know?

The fact that so many countries/states registered high numbers of deaths in nursing/care homes surely provides necessary context for any discussion of the issue. Also -some posters casually refer to 'mistakes' being made but there's no clear indication or evidence that this was the case . That's no more than a facile assumption.

hmmm · 04-05-2020 04:11PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats the huge issue. Government should NOT act on health advice alone. This is some sort of a horrible dream isnt it?

Is our government now only able to pursue 1 agenda? Whats the point of employing all those economists, accountants and finance professionals in the government buildings if you will act on health advice only?

The original poster was suggesting there was no risk in a barbers, I was making the point that there was. There's risk in everything which involves interacting with other people.

As I understand it from reports, NPHET have given government their assessment of the risks, but made no real recommendations as to when things should be reopened. It's a political decision as to how fast things should reopen, and the government have decided to reopen the less dangerous/uncertain things first (mostly things that are outdoors in phase 1).

That's a sensible approach. If you open the possibly more dangerous things first then you run the risk of not being able to open anything at all if the infected numbers shoot up.

road_high · 04-05-2020 04:13PM

rob316 wrote: »

And the pressure begins, the vintners want to reopen 6 weeks earlier.

Good. I was horrified with the bankrupting timelines outlined on Friday. Lord leo is on planet Zog if he thinks that was a plan. For fcuk sake we can't all sit home on welfare for most of the bloody year. The pressure from sensible business would want to be huge this week- we've all went along now for two months and worked hard and made huge sacrifices.
Time to restart the economy and our lives now. The hypochondriac ditherers have had enough of their way- they can cocoon at home forever- it must be a personal choice from here on in.

KrustyUCC · 04-05-2020 04:16PM

normanoffside wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2020/0501/1136173-gaa-and-soccer-projected-to-resume-in-july/

Golf courses are to reopen on 18th May.

Are people really supposed to walk to them?

There's blind following of rules and then there's common sense, if people are allowed to drive 5km and they are allowed to exercise 5km from home, can both not be combined?

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/covid-19-exit-plan-golf-clubs-will-only-be-open-to-members-who-live-within-5km-1.4243842?mode=amp

It does seem confusing

Like when limits go to 20km very few are going to exercise that distance but still golf is a non essential journey

lord quackinton · 04-05-2020 04:18PM

Penfailed wrote: »

How many people on here bitching about the restrictions have actually done anything constructive about it? How many of you have lobbied your local TD? How many of you have contacted your local councillor to speak to a TD on your behalf? If the sum total of your frustration is posting on Boards, then you have achieved nothing.

actions speak louder then words
i and many others have been very constructive -
i built a bug hotel today with my childen
cut the lawn
went to tesco
and at 5 today off for lovely run in the local woods(10km away) , i am a firm believer there is nothing better then running with nature
being honest i am a religious person and running in the woods or on a beach makes me feel closer to loved ones i have lost
nature is beauty

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 04:18PM

hmmm wrote: »

The original poster was suggesting there was no risk in a barbers, I was making the point that there was. There's risk in everything which involves interacting with other people.

As I understand it from reports, NPHET have given government their assessment of the risks, but made no real recommendations as to when things should be reopened. It's a political decision as to how fast things should reopen, and the government have decided to reopen the less dangerous/uncertain things first (mostly things that are outdoors in phase 1).

That's a sensible approach. If you open the possibly more dangerous things first then you run the risk of not being able to open anything at all if the infected numbers shoot up.

I am the original poster. I've been preaching barbers to be opened for the last god knows how long, only to end up cutting my own hair on Saturday morning after the announcement. Didnt do a bad job btw.

I can appreciate there are ifs, possibly, maybe, may not, etc. You dont expect a country of 5m population to listen to this and take it seriously?

There may be a bus coming and if the driver is drunk I could get hit and possibly die. I know, I ll cocoon myself for many months. Only to have the same risk 3 months from now.

castletownman · 04-05-2020 04:19PM

road_high wrote: »

Saw that up on Facebook too....revelling in the nonsense. They might not be so smug with the paycut coming their way though....

Personal accounts of them checking car boot for shopping (being delivered to elderly parents in rural area)...also turning cars about from a small town that wanted to go shopping in bigger, cheaper stores for groceries in neighbouring large town. I'll never respect that kind of inanely petty carry on. Appreciate many think it's wonderful though

They set up a check-point yesterday on a country lane down the road for me that leads to a popular hill walk.

I'm surprised they knew of it though, because when there was a spate of robberies in the area they were nowhere to be seen.

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 04:20PM

castletownman wrote: »

They set up a check-point yesterday on a country lane down the road for me that leads to a popular hill walk.

I'm surprised they knew of it though, because when there was a spate of robberies in the area they were nowhere to be seen.

OMG the last bit here is so funny

:D:D

road_high · 04-05-2020 04:22PM

castletownman wrote: »

They set up a check-point yesterday on a country lane down the road for me that leads to a popular hill walk.

I'm surprised they knew of it though, because when there was a spate of robberies in the area they were nowhere to be seen.

Indeed. Plot lost completely. Zero common sense whatsoever.

RugbyLad11 · 04-05-2020 04:23PM

I've had enough so I've decide I've decided I'll see my partner some day this week, don't worry we will just go for a walk with no touching.

The problem is I live around 8KM away, I will cycle it so I'm wondering what is the best excuse to give the Garda when I get stopped on my bicycle

1. Tell them I'm delivering medical supplies (I actually am bringing gloves and hand sanitizer to partner )
2. Tell them I'm out for a cycle and if they ask for address give them a different address less than 5KM away

hmmm · 04-05-2020 04:25PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

There may be a bus coming and if the driver is drunk I could get hit and possibly die. I know, I ll cocoon myself for many months. Only to have the same risk 3 months from now.

The small risk from getting hit by a bus is nothing like the decisions a government has to take when deciding what to do about a pandemic which threatens to over-run hospitals and kill tens of thousands of people in a very short period of time. At least get some sort of realism here.

road_high · 04-05-2020 04:25PM

Tuned into Ivan Yates for some common sense...got Mark Cagney with his doom n gloom life changing crap with moany Jess Kelly.

KrustyUCC · 04-05-2020 04:28PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I've had enough so I've decide I've decided I'll see my partner some day this week, don't worry we will just go for a walk with no touching.

The problem is I live around 8KM away, I will cycle it so I'm wondering what is the best excuse to give the Garda when I get stopped on my bicycle

1. Tell them I'm delivering medical supplies (I actually am bringing gloves and hand sanitizer to partner )
2. Tell them I'm out for a cycle and if they ask for address give them a different address less than 5KM away

You'll have no bother cycling

You're just exercising so no excuse needed

Go 5km and use your address if stopped

If 5km nearer your partners house use their address

Discodog · 04-05-2020 04:28PM

easypazz wrote: »

Tomorrow hopefully, I expect a lot more traffic on the road, too much for the Guards to check every car, so the checkpoints will be scaled back.

The present operation ends at midnight. They will have to scale back & give Gardai time off etc. The interesting thing is how the Gardai deal with things after the 18th when their special powers are due to end.

RugbyLad11 · 04-05-2020 04:29PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

You'll have no bother cycling

You're just exercising so no excuse needed

Go 5km and use your address if stopped

If 5km nearer your partners house use their address

Would they ask to verify address? I don't want to get arrested for giving wrong address

It honestly feels like I'm in North Korea or something

KrustyUCC · 04-05-2020 04:33PM

I would be very surprised if they did

Worse they can do is ask you to turn around if you don't argue with them

Nothing ventured nothing gained

Go see your partner

road_high · 04-05-2020 04:34PM

Discodog wrote: »

The present operation ends at midnight. They will have to scale back & give Gardai time off etc. The interesting thing is how the Gardai deal with things after the 18th when their special powers are due to end.

Even more interesting when the Public Service cuts kick in.

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 04:35PM

hmmm wrote: »

The small risk from getting hit by a bus is nothing like the decisions a government has to take when deciding what to do about a pandemic which threatens to over-run hospitals and kill tens of thousands of people in a very short period of time. At least get some sort of realism here.

Over-run empty hospitals. Can we please get that right. We are currently paying hundreds of millions of euros to keep private hospitals empty. If you think this is good, think about the increases in USC & income tax we ll endure in October, for the next 5- 10 years.

Kills tens of thousands? Sweden havent shut down at all and dont even have 3k deaths. In fact when you compare Sweden's deaths over the last 5 years for Jan to April period, deaths ARE DOWN in 2020 period by 0.6%!!! This is visible on "Sweden avoiding lockdown" thread.

Ofcourse they (Leo and co) can't come out and say mortality rate of covid19 is in low 1% bracket. They ll look like fools who overreacted BADLY.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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