Relaxation of restrictions Part II

kippy · 03-05-2020 10:38AM

Thankfully, out in the real world the vast majority of people seem to have enough sense to follow the advice given by the state. People realise this is not in any way as restrictive a lockdown as is in place in other countries and want to keep it that way.

I'd hope that the staged plan can be implemented and the populace have some appreciation for the fact that it may have to be rolled back and/or reimplemented again in the next few months.

I think it may have been earlier in this thread but I firmly believe things will not be the same after this crisis whether a vaccine is found or not. Simply because people have seen what the issues are in our society and perhaps have had a glimpse at s different world.

Whatever about the developed world who have struggled if this virus takes hold in the poorer parts of the world it will decimate countries.

We are extremely lucky to live where we live and when we live.

LiquidZeb · 03-05-2020 10:43AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Wrong. Won't someone please think of the economy is the childish reaction in the face of a pandemic. Look at history. Look at how the species has dealt with pandemics. There has always been this tension between those arguing wealth over health and those arguing health over wealth. One difference between the two sides is that the cautious are MUCH less likely to cause death to the vulnerable you claim to care for. And by the way this vulnerable is not a small number. 13% of people are over 70 in Ireland. Undiagnosed and diagnosed hypertension accounts for 35 to 40% of all adults. About half of adults are overweight. About 10 to 15% have diabetes. 1 in 5 children have asthma. And that is without counting the huge numbers of people who live with those vulnerable ones. That is no tiny number. But I do think lockdown over people should just rack off and do their thing. AND I don't want to hear their sob stories after. That is not hyperbole from me. That is just true.

Yeah but one question that keeps getting dodged is what will keep the health service, gardai and social welfare bills paid while the economy is shut down. The fallout coming from this will have a worse effect than 3 pandemics this country will get bounced back 50 years economically.

LiquidZeb · 03-05-2020 10:45AM

Gynoid wrote: »

Wrong. Won't someone please think of the economy is the childish reaction in the face of a pandemic. Look at history. Look at how the species has dealt with pandemics. There has always been this tension between those arguing wealth over health and those arguing health over wealth. One difference between the two sides is that the cautious are MUCH less likely to cause death to the vulnerable you claim to care for. And by the way this vulnerable is not a small number. 13% of people are over 70 in Ireland. Undiagnosed and diagnosed hypertension accounts for 35 to 40% of all adults. About half of adults are overweight. About 10 to 15% have diabetes. 1 in 5 children have asthma. And that is without counting the huge numbers of people who live with those vulnerable ones. That is no tiny number. But I do think lockdown over people should just rack off and do their thing. AND I don't want to hear their sob stories after. That is not hyperbole from me. That is just true.

Yeah but one question that keeps getting dodged is what will keep the health service, gardai and social welfare bills paid while the economy is shut down. The fallout coming from this will have a worse effect than 3 pandemics this country will get bounced back 50 years economically.

kippy · 03-05-2020 10:48AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah but one question that keeps getting dodged is what will keep the health service, gardai and social welfare bills paid while the economy is shut down. The fallout coming from this will have a worse effect than 3 pandemics this country will get bounced back 50 years economically.

I think new solutions need to be found as well as implementation of some existing strategies.
Again. The world will be different.

_Kaiser_ · 03-05-2020 10:50AM

kippy wrote: »

Thankfully, out in the real world the vast majority of people seem to have enough sense to follow the advice given by the state. People realise this is not in any way as restrictive a lockdown as is in place in other countries and want to keep it that way.

I'd hope that the staged plan can be implemented and the populace have some appreciation for the fact that it may have to be rolled back and/or reimplemented again in the next few months.

I think it may have been earlier in this thread but I firmly believe things will not be the same after this crisis whether a vaccine is found or not. Simply because people have seen what the issues are in our society and perhaps have had a glimpse at s different world.

Whatever about the developed world who have struggled if this virus takes hold in the poorer parts of the world it will decimate countries.

We are extremely lucky to live where we live and when we live.

I keep hearing this idea that this is somehow going to be a defining moment for Western life and outlooks, and that when it's finally all over we'll be looking for a new approach to what was.

It's a nice idea but it's completely unrealistic I think. Everyone just wants to get back to normal - from individuals, to companies, to governments. Back to work, socialising, ending and spending money. All the things we complained about but thrived on too.

This isn't going to be the aftermath of a Hollywood disaster movie (let's take Independence Day, as bad as the sequel was) where we have a unified planetary government, technology is being used for the benefit of all, or where we collectively move past consumerism and capitalism towards a star trek utopia.

I'd be pretty confident that once the virus is under control and economic recovery commences we'll be back to (or at least aiming for) the norm a few years later.

We should learn from it, but we won't - just as we didn't after 2008/2011

Gynoid · 03-05-2020 10:51AM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Yeah but one question that keeps getting dodged is what will keep the health service, gardai and social welfare bills paid while the economy is shut down. The fallout coming from this will have a worse effect than 3 pandemics this country will get bounced back 50 years economically.

It won't. Let us meet here in a year or two and I can guarantee you the health service, guards and social welfare will be okay. Even if we have multiple lockdowns. Maybe in the same shyte state they were in before but we are not going to be a dystopia no matter how much people bleat about the economy. I guarantee it. Money is not what people think it is.

gozunda · 03-05-2020 10:55AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

This entire post makes no sense, but especially how you've somehow connected "Shinnerbots" to what I posted above.

Never voted SF, don't support SF, think they'd be disastrous for a small open FDI dependent country like ours - BUT they do have a useful role in holding the Big 2 to account.

Maybe stop looking for Reds under the bed and read what people are ACTUALLY saying/posting?

You mean you dont like what was written and pointing out that your comment does not stand up to scrutiny?

But yes the shinner bot comment was in reference to your comment "Just as many are, rightly, asking here". The number of posts in that vein are truely eye opening. Certainly not all but there are plenty..

And I'm not the only one to point that out btw. And no I did not suggest you were - however you did post about poiltical dissent- I replied to that. You also quoted a hack Indo opinion piece which talked about Swedens lack of restrictions and their economy. Truth be told the disease is out of control there and it looks like their economy is in tatters. Such opinion pieces are complete and utter bolloxology. I would place very little importance on any of that type of rubbish.

kippy · 03-05-2020 10:59AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I keep hearing this idea that this is somehow going to be a defining moment for Western life and outlooks, and that when it's finally all over we'll be looking for a new approach to what was.

It's a nice idea but it's completely unrealistic I think. Everyone just wants to get back to normal - from individuals, to companies, to governments. Back to work, socialising, ending and spending money. All the things we complained about but thrived on too.

This isn't going to be the aftermath of a Hollywood disaster movie (let's take Independence Day, as bad as the sequel was) where we have a unified planetary government, technology is being used for the benefit of all, or where we collectively move past consumerism and capitalism towards a star trek utopia.

I'd be pretty confident that once the virus is under control and economic recovery commences we'll be back to (or at least aiming for) the norm a few years later.

We should learn from it, but we won't - just as we didn't after 2008/2011

It may not be a defining moment in that way. But it will bring about changes in the way we do things and how we priorities things perhaps at various different levels.

iamwhoiam · 03-05-2020 11:00AM

rusty the athlete wrote: »

It may be unkind to say it, but more fool them for suffering. Their isolation was a result of believing the so called "expert" advice that they were fed with. One would hope that on reaching 70 years old one would have gained sufficient lifetime experiences to critically examine what they are being fed with and to use their own judgement to make sensible, rational decisions. Unnecessarily banging oneself up for six weeks would indicate that many have learned absolutely nothing from their longevity.

Don't be so patronising .Maybe they did learn from their longevity and realise they needed to stay indoors. It was a struggle but they knew it was in their interest at that time . My own husband is just over 70 by weeks, a very clued in and educated man , he knew the risks and he knew to stay in and is now happy to get out when the risk is reduced and take a walk while being ultra careful .
His longevity thought him that while our health system was is danger of being overwhelmed his safety was in his own house and garden

ChelseaRentBoy · 03-05-2020 11:08AM

I don't kow about others but i'm finding the lockdown easier to deal with as time goes by. I'm back to enjoying the simpler things in life like reading, walking the dog, cooking and relaxing in the hammock in the garden. Yeah i miss seeing some people but we are so lucky we live in the internet age where that doesn't become as big an issue as it would have 25-30 years ago.

It's not that i don't know others are struggling and this is a nightmare scenario for them but for me personally im not finding it that bad to follow the restrictions laid down by our government.

lawrencesummers · 03-05-2020 11:23AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I don't kow about others but i'm finding the lockdown easier to deal with as time goes by. I'm back to enjoying the simpler things in life like reading, walking the dog, cooking and relaxing in the hammock in the garden. Yeah i miss seeing some people but we are so lucky we live in the internet age where that doesn't become as big an issue as it would have 25-30 years ago.

It's not that i don't know others are struggling and this is a nightmare scenario for them but for me personally im not finding it that bad to follow the restrictions laid down by our government.

The difference also is that you are choosing to find solace in the “simpler” things. Attitude is important here, it’s easy to find the negatives in this situation if you want to, and many are but you are choosing to find the positives.

I’m much the same, if the pubs are closed I dont care. I drink but I’m not the type to miss it if it’s not there. If a few bookies go bust I won’t loose sleep. If a soccer team doesn’t play a few games it doesn’t matter. People are not going to be evicted, houses won’t be repossessed, jobs come and go.

The weather is nice. Happy days.

If anyone wants to wallow in self pity and constantly look at the negatives that’s their attitude, and one that will Ultimately have mental implications.

oceanman · 03-05-2020 11:27AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The difference also is that you are choosing to find solace in the “simpler” things. Attitude is important here, it’s easy to find the negatives in this situation if you want to, and many are but you are choosing to find the positives.

I’m much the same, if the pubs are closed I dont care. I drink but I’m not the type to miss it if it’s not there. If a few bookies go bust I won’t loose sleep. If a soccer team doesn’t play a few games it doesn’t matter. People are not going to be evicted, houses won’t be repossessed, jobs come and go.

The weather is nice. Happy days.

If anyone wants to wallow in self pity and constantly look at the negatives that’s their attitude, and one that will Ultimately have mental implications.

so true...

stephenjmcd · 03-05-2020 11:31AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The difference also is that you are choosing to find solace in the “simpler” things. Attitude is important here, it’s easy to find the negatives in this situation if you want to, and many are but you are choosing to find the positives.

I’m much the same, if the pubs are closed I dont care. I drink but I’m not the type to miss it if it’s not there. If a few bookies go bust I won’t loose sleep. If a soccer team doesn’t play a few games it doesn’t matter. People are not going to be evicted, houses won’t be repossessed, jobs come and go.

The weather is nice. Happy days.

If anyone wants to wallow in self pity and constantly look at the negatives that’s their attitude, and one that will Ultimately have mental implications.

If all that works for you then grand but it's very much based on the individual person. Personally I miss being able to go to a football match on a Friday night, it's a hobby I've had for years and a huge social outlet.

I know of 1 person with a disability who in "normal" times gets social interaction through going to work and going to watch a football match on a Friday night, I keep in touch with him at the moment but he has neither of these outlets at the moment so it's very difficult to find solace there.

Also when this is over and people cant pay their mortgages the banks wont be so nice, people will end up being evicted and losing their homes, so while its grand now with the mortgage breaks that isn't going to last forever. So that isn't wallowing in self pity thats people being fearful for their future.

Nice weather wont help anyone worrying about their family in a few months time.

Personally I'm looking forward to getting back to a high level of normality in August hopefully, but it's very much not a one size fits all ideology everyone has different things to deal with during this that may negatively effect mental health and aren't as lucky to have the outlook that you or I might have.

03-05-2020 11:32AM

I ended up the same where I am. Did a lot of cooking and learning and that sort of thing.

ChelseaRentBoy · 03-05-2020 11:39AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The difference also is that you are choosing to find solace in the “simpler” things. Attitude is important here, it’s easy to find the negatives in this situation if you want to, and many are but you are choosing to find the positives.

I’m much the same, if the pubs are closed I dont care. I drink but I’m not the type to miss it if it’s not there. If a few bookies go bust I won’t loose sleep. If a soccer team doesn’t play a few games it doesn’t matter. People are not going to be evicted, houses won’t be repossessed, jobs come and go.

The weather is nice. Happy days.

If anyone wants to wallow in self pity and constantly look at the negatives that’s their attitude, and one that will Ultimately have mental implications.

Yeah i was a lot more negative about the whole thing even up to 2-3 weeks ago but i guess iv'e accepted it now and am just dealing with it.

Getting proper sleep as in 9-10hrs per night is playing a big part also and i'm lucky as i have a log cabin with doubles as my office and gym so i'm exercising more now than ever. Iv'e lost almost a stone in weight also and i think a lot of that comes from not only the exercise but also the home cooking.

Look i know it's not like that for everyone though and from a selfish perspective it's only when i stepped back and looked at how hard some have it i realised i'd nothing to be moaning about, not really.

Galwayguy35 · 03-05-2020 11:44AM

Gynoid wrote: »

It won't. Let us meet here in a year or two and I can guarantee you the health service, guards and social welfare will be okay. Even if we have multiple lockdowns. Maybe in the same shyte state they were in before but we are not going to be a dystopia no matter how much people bleat about the economy. I guarantee it. Money is not what people think it is.

Dan O Brien said over a month ago if the economy isn't kickstarted by summer then we are in a whole heap of trouble, I'd be more inclined to take his word on it rather than your guarantee.

lawrencesummers · 03-05-2020 11:45AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

If all that works for you then grand but it's very much based on the individual person. Personally I miss being able to go to a football match on a Friday night, it's a hobby I've had for years and a huge social outlet.

I know of 1 person with a disability who in "normal" times gets social interaction through going to work and going to watch a football match on a Friday night, I keep in touch with him at the moment but he has neither of these outlets at the moment so it's very difficult to find solace there.

Also when this is over and people cant pay their mortgages the banks wont be so nice, people will end up being evicted and losing their homes, so while its grand now with the mortgage breaks that isn't going to last forever. So that isn't wallowing in self pity thats people being fearful for their future.

Nice weather wont help anyone worrying about their family in a few months time.

Personally I'm looking forward to getting back to a high level of normality in August hopefully, but it's very much not a one size fits all ideology everyone has different things to deal with during this that may negatively effect mental health and aren't as lucky to have the outlook that you or I might have.

You see that’s fine, everybody or almost everybody is missing the social interactions, the sport etc etc. But it’s temporary and a small price to pay.

As far as knowing what happens post this your speculating, and not only are you speculating but your looking at POSSIBLE negative impacts this COULD have. That’s down to attitude. You could just as easily speculate that people might find better jobs. That house prices might be more affordable, that more people will be allowed to work from home and have better work life balances.

If your going to go down the rabbit hole of what COULD happen then make a choice to find the benefits.

Multipass · 03-05-2020 11:49AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

I don't kow about others but i'm finding the lockdown easier to deal with as time goes by. I'm back to enjoying the simpler things in life like reading, walking the dog, cooking and relaxing in the hammock in the garden. Yeah i miss seeing some people but we are so lucky we live in the internet age where that doesn't become as big an issue as it would have 25-30 years ago.

It's not that i don't know others are struggling and this is a nightmare scenario for them but for me personally im not finding it that bad to follow the restrictions laid down by our government.

That’s great. But here’s the thing about depression - real depression, not just feeling a bit down. You can’t enjoy anything, you can’t switch off your brain. You can’t relax and watch tv, because you don’t care about tv. You don’t care about cooking. You can’t relax in a hammock because your body and mind are restless, feeling like you need to do something but you don’t know what. You start a million jobs, and discard them because you can’t concentrate and you run out of energy. Human contact usually brings a bit of relief, and now there is none. You try to occupy your mind, but it always comes back to that solution. Every day is the same.

Simon Harrison · 03-05-2020 11:50AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

You see that’s fine, everybody or almost everybody is missing the social interactions, the sport etc etc. But it’s temporary and a small price to pay.

As far as knowing what happens post this your speculating, and not only are you speculating but your looking at POSSIBLE negative impacts this COULD have. That’s down to attitude. You could just as easily speculate that people might find better jobs. That house prices might be more affordable, that more people will be allowed to work from home and have better work life balances.

If your going to go down the rabbit hole of what COULD happen then make a choice to find the benefits.

Mostly agreed with you, my biggest concern is for other people's jobs and businesses when things return to normal. If I knew those would be ok and the economy wouldn't be in such a bad state that essential services and infrastructure were unfunded then I'd be fine with the situation too.

ChelseaRentBoy · 03-05-2020 11:50AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The difference also is that you are choosing to find solace in the “simpler” things. Attitude is important here, it’s easy to find the negatives in this situation if you want to, and many are but you are choosing to find the positives.

I’m much the same, if the pubs are closed I dont care. I drink but I’m not the type to miss it if it’s not there. If a few bookies go bust I won’t loose sleep. If a soccer team doesn’t play a few games it doesn’t matter. People are not going to be evicted, houses won’t be repossessed, jobs come and go.

The weather is nice. Happy days.

If anyone wants to wallow in self pity and constantly look at the negatives that’s their attitude, and one that will Ultimately have mental implications.

Edit:Repost

costacorta · 03-05-2020 11:52AM

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Yeah i was a lot more negative about the whole thing even up to 2-3 weeks ago but i guess iv'e accepted it now and am just dealing with it.

Getting proper sleep as in 9-10hrs per night is playing a big part also and i'm lucky as i have a log cabin with doubles as my office and gym so i'm exercising more now than ever. Iv'e lost almost a stone in weight also and i think a lot of that comes from not only the exercise but also the home cooking.

Look i know it's not like that for everyone though and from a selfish perspective it's only when i stepped back and looked at how hard some have it i realised i'd nothing to be moaning about, not really.

You are right as majority only wallowing in self pity ,, I live in a built up Council estate and have been off work since lockdown and I have spent 4 weeks out and about cleaning weeding and even painting places just to keep myself active . In 4 weeks not one person came out and helped in any way and all you hear is fair play to you and aren’t you great !! ..My point is I hear lads on about pubs not open no football and their bored but wouldn’t get off there hole to maybe go out and do something for nothing..

ChelseaRentBoy · 03-05-2020 11:54AM

Multipass wrote: »

That’s great. But here’s the thing about depression - real depression, not just feeling a bit down. You can’t enjoy anything, you can’t switch off your brain. You can’t relax and watch tv, because you don’t care about tv. You don’t care about cooking. You can’t relax in a hammock because your body and mind are restless, feeling like you need to do something but you don’t know what. You start a million jobs, and discard them because you can’t concentrate and you run out of energy. Human contact usually brings a bit of relief, and now there is none. You try to occupy your mind, but it always comes back to that solution. Every day is the same.

Yeah and i completely understand that and i'm not belittling anyone dealing with depression (sorry if it came across like that) i'm just talking about myself personally and how i'm dealing with it.

03-05-2020 11:56AM

For a lot of people, the governments plan mean they can’t see family until 20th July. And even then, they keep pushing things back so it could be longer. Could be almost a half a year without seeing family.

Most just won’t obey that.

C__MC · 03-05-2020 12:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For a lot of people, the governments plan mean they can’t see family until 20th July. And even then, they keep pushing things back so it could be longer. Could be almost a half a year without seeing family.

Most just won’t obey that.

Most people are going to travel and its only fair

I would imagine that the Gards could not police this after the 18th?

kippy · 03-05-2020 12:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

For a lot of people, the governments plan mean they can’t see family until 20th July. And even then, they keep pushing things back so it could be longer. Could be almost a half a year without seeing family.

Most just won’t obey that.

And that's probably fine. So long as when they do see family they adhere to the absolute basics. Social distance, contact time, hand washing etc. This is going on at the moment and has been for the past number of weeks I certain situations. Older people cocooning and family members talking to them through a window at a distance.
These are all guidelines and recommendations. Only a few of the restrictions are legally enforced.

horse7 · 03-05-2020 12:05PM

Does anyone else think that we have become a nanny state. We all know that we should wash our hand's ,limit our contact and wear face coverings especially in shopping areas,buses etc. Our hospitals are half empty for capacity to deal with the virus. We are being treated like children and told to stay in. There is no point in a driving limit. It's when you get out of the car you need to look after yourself. A lot of the older people are afraid to leave the house. Most people have the sense to allow more personal space if possible. With the present lockdown there will be a high price to pay, apart from job losses there will be all that goes with that, health issues, physical and mental and suicides. We need more testing and a CEO in the HSE with a medical background. We need a government that is not hiding behind the medical advisors. There are more issues at stake and any GP is going to err on the side of caution. Life in Seoul is carrying on as near normal, the trains are full, the kids are at school, you can eat in a restaurant. Everyone wears face coverings, young to old. Testing is still a priority also. We don't even have hardware stores or garden centres open, which was another mistake by the government. They move the goalpost as it suits, we've seen the R factor, the new cases, the daily death rate, it's become a nanny state. Opinions please.

DebDynamite · 03-05-2020 12:15PM

kippy wrote: »

And that's probably fine. So long as when they do see family they adhere to the absolute basics. Social distance, contact time, hand washing etc. This is going on at the moment and has been for the past number of weeks I certain situations. Older people cocooning and family members talking to them through a window at a distance.
These are all guidelines and recommendations. Only a few of the restrictions are legally enforced.

No, you’re not allowed to travel further than 20km until 20th July (Phase 4)

BrianD3 · 03-05-2020 12:19PM

Gynoid wrote: »

It won't. Let us meet here in a year or two and I can guarantee you the health service, guards and social welfare will be okay. Even if we have multiple lockdowns. Maybe in the same shyte state they were in before but we are not going to be a dystopia no matter how much people bleat about the economy. I guarantee it. Money is not what people think it is.

The same shyte state - LOL. The provision of public services was seriously affected by the last recession and things still aren't close to where they should be. The mantra of "doing more with less" has been continually rolled out in the last 10 years, in reality we're doing less with less and that can be easily demonstrated using various metrics. I work in the public service and see it first hand. Morale among staff continues to be poor. Vacant positions have remained unfilled for years. Staff regularly feel bad about the poor service that we provide to the general public through no fault of our own. The phrase "we don't have the resources for that" is used very frequently.

Also, as recently as January this year, just before Covid-19 blew up, I had the misfortune of dealing with our health service as a "customer" - my mother (dementia and other issues) was admitted to an acute hospital and discharged a week later without any supports from the HSE. During that week I witnessed chaos and several examples of suboptimal if not negligent care so it was actually a relief for her to be discharged. Applied for home help, we were told that we wouldn't get it but might as well apply as "it's like the lottery, someone has to win it" :rolleyes: Lots of excuses about no funding, 9000 people on waiting lists etc. Lots of suggestions (many of them useless/impractical) from the HSE as to what WE could do i.e. if we want anything we can organise it ourselves, now feck off.

And you think that this isn't going to get worse now?

Discodog · 03-05-2020 12:26PM

gozunda wrote: »

You mean you dont like what was written and pointing out that your comment does not stand up to scrutiny?

But yes the shinner bot comment was in reference to your comment "Just as many are, rightly, asking here". The number of posts in that vein are truely eye opening. Certainly not all but there are plenty..

And I'm not the only one to point that out btw. And no I did not suggest you were - however you did post about poiltical dissent- I replied to that. You also quoted a hack Indo opinion piece which talked about Swedens lack of restrictions and their economy. Truth be told the disease is out of control there and it looks like their economy is in tatters. Such opinion pieces are complete and utter bolloxology. I would place very little importance on any of that type of rubbish.

So the only people to question the government are Shinnerbots ? That must include most of the Cabinet who asked for more restrictions to be lifted.

The rubbish is being posted by people with the extreme view that there can only be one opinion.

gozunda · 03-05-2020 12:31PM

horse7 wrote: »

Does anyone else think that we have become a nanny state. We all know that we should wash our hand's ,limit our contact and wear face coverings especially in shopping areas,buses etc. Our hospitals are half empty for capacity to deal with the virus. We are being treated like children and told to stay in. There is no point in a driving limit. It's when you get out of the car you need to look after yourself. A lot of the older people are afraid to leave the house. Most people have the sense to allow more personal space if possible. With the present lockdown there will be a high price to pay, apart from job losses there will be all that goes with that, health issues, physical and mental and suicides. We need more testing and a CEO in the HSE with a medical background. We need a government that is not hiding behind the medical advisors. There are more issues at stake and any GP is going to err on the side of caution. Life in Seoul is carrying on as near normal, the trains are full, the kids are at school, you can eat in a restaurant. Everyone wears face coverings, young to old. Testing is still a priority also. We don't even have hardware stores or garden centres open, which was another mistake by the government. They move the goalpost as it suits, we've seen the R factor, the new cases, the daily death rate, it's become a nanny state. Opinions please.

No. That's it in a nutshell. With rights come responsibilities. And atm ours is to stay away from others as much as possible in order to keep down the rate of infection and keep it that our health services aren't been overrun. It is evident from this thread there is a very real hardman attitude of 'I know better' and "I'll fo what I fuking want'. For those unfortunately we need constant reminders of what this pandemic really is. If that means having to knock some heads together. So be it.

The rest is hyperbole imo.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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