lawrencesummers wrote: » The difference also is that you are choosing to find solace in the “simpler” things. Attitude is important here, it’s easy to find the negatives in this situation if you want to, and many are but you are choosing to find the positives. I’m much the same, if the pubs are closed I dont care. I drink but I’m not the type to miss it if it’s not there. If a few bookies go bust I won’t loose sleep. If a soccer team doesn’t play a few games it doesn’t matter. People are not going to be evicted, houses won’t be repossessed, jobs come and go. The weather is nice. Happy days. If anyone wants to wallow in self pity and constantly look at the negatives that’s their attitude, and one that will Ultimately have mental implications.
ChelseaRentBoy wrote: » I don't kow about others but i'm finding the lockdown easier to deal with as time goes by. I'm back to enjoying the simpler things in life like reading, walking the dog, cooking and relaxing in the hammock in the garden. Yeah i miss seeing some people but we are so lucky we live in the internet age where that doesn't become as big an issue as it would have 25-30 years ago. It's not that i don't know others are struggling and this is a nightmare scenario for them but for me personally im not finding it that bad to follow the restrictions laid down by our government.
rusty the athlete wrote: » It may be unkind to say it, but more fool them for suffering. Their isolation was a result of believing the so called "expert" advice that they were fed with. One would hope that on reaching 70 years old one would have gained sufficient lifetime experiences to critically examine what they are being fed with and to use their own judgement to make sensible, rational decisions. Unnecessarily banging oneself up for six weeks would indicate that many have learned absolutely nothing from their longevity.
_Kaiser_ wrote: » I keep hearing this idea that this is somehow going to be a defining moment for Western life and outlooks, and that when it's finally all over we'll be looking for a new approach to what was. It's a nice idea but it's completely unrealistic I think. Everyone just wants to get back to normal - from individuals, to companies, to governments. Back to work, socialising, ending and spending money. All the things we complained about but thrived on too. This isn't going to be the aftermath of a Hollywood disaster movie (let's take Independence Day, as bad as the sequel was) where we have a unified planetary government, technology is being used for the benefit of all, or where we collectively move past consumerism and capitalism towards a star trek utopia. I'd be pretty confident that once the virus is under control and economic recovery commences we'll be back to (or at least aiming for) the norm a few years later. We should learn from it, but we won't - just as we didn't after 2008/2011
_Kaiser_ wrote: » This entire post makes no sense, but especially how you've somehow connected "Shinnerbots" to what I posted above. Never voted SF, don't support SF, think they'd be disastrous for a small open FDI dependent country like ours - BUT they do have a useful role in holding the Big 2 to account. Maybe stop looking for Reds under the bed and read what people are ACTUALLY saying/posting?
LiquidZeb wrote: » Yeah but one question that keeps getting dodged is what will keep the health service, gardai and social welfare bills paid while the economy is shut down. The fallout coming from this will have a worse effect than 3 pandemics this country will get bounced back 50 years economically.
kippy wrote: » Thankfully, out in the real world the vast majority of people seem to have enough sense to follow the advice given by the state. People realise this is not in any way as restrictive a lockdown as is in place in other countries and want to keep it that way. I'd hope that the staged plan can be implemented and the populace have some appreciation for the fact that it may have to be rolled back and/or reimplemented again in the next few months. I think it may have been earlier in this thread but I firmly believe things will not be the same after this crisis whether a vaccine is found or not. Simply because people have seen what the issues are in our society and perhaps have had a glimpse at s different world. Whatever about the developed world who have struggled if this virus takes hold in the poorer parts of the world it will decimate countries. We are extremely lucky to live where we live and when we live.
Gynoid wrote: » Wrong. Won't someone please think of the economy is the childish reaction in the face of a pandemic. Look at history. Look at how the species has dealt with pandemics. There has always been this tension between those arguing wealth over health and those arguing health over wealth. One difference between the two sides is that the cautious are MUCH less likely to cause death to the vulnerable you claim to care for. And by the way this vulnerable is not a small number. 13% of people are over 70 in Ireland. Undiagnosed and diagnosed hypertension accounts for 35 to 40% of all adults. About half of adults are overweight. About 10 to 15% have diabetes. 1 in 5 children have asthma. And that is without counting the huge numbers of people who live with those vulnerable ones. That is no tiny number. But I do think lockdown over people should just rack off and do their thing. AND I don't want to hear their sob stories after. That is not hyperbole from me. That is just true.
gozunda wrote: » Dissent? You really dont believe there is significant political posturing going by those who want to make hay? The usual suspects screaming that they dont like the solutions whilst taking fook all risk in doing so? Yeah we've have plenty of those alright I never thought shinner bots really existed. Reading this thread I've now changed my mind. And that bolloxology about Sweden and its lack of restrictions? Guess what - the outbreak is increasingly out of control there and it looks like their economy has taken a dive into the ****ter even twith their lack of public health related restrictionshttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html But yes those declaring they are going to do what they like and to hell with anyone else are the very definition of a selfish minority. What's new eh?
_Kaiser_ wrote: » This post here shows exactly why reasoned debate is impossible in the age of social media.I don't agree with something/someone, so must resort to name-calling and insults and attempt to ignore/dismiss what was actually said in favour of what I think/wish they said, with some emotive "think of the children" style hyperbole thrown in to validate myself It's childish, it's unhelpful, it's transparent. NO-ONE that I have seen post here has denied that this virus is dangerous, or that precautions and steps needed - and still need - to be taken. No-one has denied that the most vulnerable to this need to be protected. But there's more to consider than just that - thankfully - small minority of people, who can and will absolutely be protected regardless. There's the wellbeing of everyone else, which covers more than just medical needs, and it's those needs that are being neglected in posts like the above. Not to mention the health and well-being of the country itself by the way. Twitter and Facebook has a lot to answer for with the role they've played in reducing debates and issues to abrasive polarising "you're with us or you're against us" nonsense.
iamwhoiam wrote: » I was surprised and pleased that at very least the over 70 could get out and have a walk and feel the air and the open spaces . Many did not have that luxury and struggled to stay indoors
_Kaiser_ wrote: » It looks as though dissent is forming not just among the general public, but among the politicians :https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/whos-in-charge-governments-relationship-with-nphet-is-straining-at-the-seams-39176591.html Just as many are, rightly, asking here One of the very rare occasions I find myself in complete agreement with her And on Holohan's unofficial elevation to national policy maker : There's a lot in it but it's well worth reading the whole thing. It should also put to bed the notion from some that the many people expressing valid concerns in this thread are a selfish minority.
Tell me how wrote: » You got a plan. For the last couple of weeks people have been saying 'I'm fine with restrictions, as long as they tell us what the plan is'. They did, and while most people were watching him read his notes last night, some one was moving the goal posts. While I'm at it, not aimed at you in particular Gg35, but for others, a couple weeks ago, Simon Harris was ripped to shreds for having a brain freeze when speaking in an official capacity but in a less formal setting. Last night, Leo ensured that that didn't happen, and guess what, more complaining. Saw one prominent Twitter commentator say today that the only thing different between Trump and Varadkar is a 30 year age gap. Ffs, I am starting to see many peoples true motivations being laid bare in how they are reacting to a government finally seemingly acting in the interest of the people. They didn't necessarily want a government doing the right thing, they wanted it to be their people in government.And once again, here is my disclaimer before I am accused as being a mouthpiece. I have never voted for a FG candidate in my life.
Gynoid wrote: » I think the biggus dickus lockdown over people should be free to do as they wish. Really. Just do it. But I never want to read or have to listen to their redemption stories a la self pitying recovered alcoholics apologising to the people they have wounded and expecting forgiveness if any of them ever bring the virus to the vulnerable relatives of the people they drive 100km to have a stupid natter with.
This weekend there are growing fears across the Government that major decisions on massive public spending measures have been made without a paper trail being developed in departments as happens during normal times. "There is a lot of tension about that," a well-placed source said. . . . This wouldn't be the first time there was a lack of documentation on a government's response to a major crisis. When a review is eventually carried out into how the State responded to the Covid-19 crisis, it will almost certainly find shortcomings in the record-keeping for the monumental and costly decisions that were taken. Ministers and officials will argue it was a crisis where they had to move fast. But for those who remember the bailout years this is a familiar feeling. "It will be a bit like the banking inquiry," one warned ominously.
lord quackinton wrote: » My lockdown is over but I am still careful with washing my hands and have no problem with social distancing at shops and banks I Just believe that if a company can fly cheap labour into pick fruit I can go for a walk in my local woods
_Kaiser_ wrote: » It looks as though dissent is forming not just among the general public, but among the politicians :https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/whos-in-charge-governments-relationship-with-nphet-is-straining-at-the-seams-39176591.html It should also put to bed the notion from some that the many people expressing valid concerns in this thread are a selfish minority.
Minister after minister made the case for beginning to reopen the country, some more forcefully than others, with many arguing for the relaxation of cocooning for the elderly. "There is a bit of a mood now which says we are going to have to look after the economy," said a minister afterwards.
One government insider wondered whether Sweden's controversial herd immunity strategy may have been a wiser approach. "We've killed our economy and they haven't. When the inquiry happens into this whole period, I think a lot of people will say: 'Were no other considerations brought to bear other than public health?'"
Business Minister Heather Humphreys said yesterday: "If we find the coronavirus is abating considerably, well there's no reason why these dates can't be accelerated."
"There is a really big reluctance to publicly challenge what he has to say - but in the meetings that we have they are saying things which go beyond the pleadings," said a Cabinet minister afterwards. "I think there is a bit of a mood change - that he [Dr Holohan] has got too much power and he is using it too strictly." Another Cabinet minister said: "I don't accept that they're all gods and they have all the answers, especially when they cocked up over the nursing homes."
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