Masks

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Leo addressing the nation, not a thing said about masks/face coverings. Idiot.

Not even face coverings? That was an easy escape route for them, they could excuse that were against masks but never against coverings...

So FG are intent on destroying the economy and letting people die. Brilliant.

Kenjataimu wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1256303518346084353?s=20

Had the inkling that masks were probably going to be introduced in this manner, see post below from 14th April, as it was the only route for the HSE to save face without going against the WHO. They are propping up each other at the expense.

So the decision was made then as feared. I feel sick.

The WHO fired there silver bullet, the HSE had their war zone footing, I might just have to go nuclear.

I feel sick.

Seanergy wrote: »

Appears to me from what Dr Nabarro said on RTÉ - Today with Sean O’Rourke show titled Exiting Lockdown 14 April 2020 This link might work

that the WHO will recommend homemade facemasks for countries exiting lockdown and not before, and that's how they save face.

Ireland will continue to plod along.

Would have been fitting for O'Rourke to have a spokesman for the ECDC on at the same time seeing the HSE claims to operate a delayed repsonse on the back of both mouthpieces. Synopsis on RTE

The 5 stage plan was the smoke and mirrors, it's completely changable, it was staged and the audience fell for it. Everybody jumping up and down talking about when the cravan parks and when this and that will reopen.

The only real message today was people are going to be advised to wear masks in public.

Infini wrote: »

I'd be honest they'll only recommend them and nothing more because there isn't alot more that can be done as it's not possible culturally to make people wear them either here, Asian countries have a different culture and approach compared to us, I mean take public transport here they say essential travel only yet junkies and homeless are still out wandering about on them and that.

Recommending people wear them will help but honestly my opinion is that is all they can do, they probably will be able to have more strict enforcement in the likes of Airports where they have more security and more control about removing unruly people but thats it.

Leo said it himself on the late late tonight, it'll only be a guidance that'll be issued and it wont be enforceable.

I've been saying from the very beginning that we should all wear masks except in our own homes or while in the fresh air with adequate physical distancing.

I was initially jeered by some but persisted. Despite health issues, I have so far avoided the virus (2 x tests). The problem with this virus is that you can be infected and contagious without showing any symptoms at all for over a week. The guidelines have been political because Ireland doesn't have sufficient commercial masks available for health workers let alone the public.

Now I'm getting requests for my home-made masks from friends, family, neighbours including those who work in healthcare because the professional PPE isn't widely available for personal use and is environmentally wasteful. There's a growing network of people who can sew making double/triple-layer cotton masks with a wired nose-piece and pocket for a replacement non-woven filter. The key points are fit, breathability, comfort and for many people, speed of putting on.

My fabric stash of cotton is slowly diminishing so I won't be making any planned curtains, quilts or clothes, but keeping people in my circle safe is more important than fashion or appearances.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

With asymptomatic and presymtomatic people, there's no point advising people unless they make it mandatory for everybody. Cut all the bull**** down, "do we need a mask or not"... Just have one clear idea. Otherwise there will be people going out thinking they're not sick, so don't need a mask. Just make something clear for once.

Well its not going to be mandatory that's been made pretty clear, apart from that guidance to follow in the next 2 weeks.

If you want to wear one wear one if not you wont be forced to. Pretty simple

Infini wrote: »

I'd be honest they'll only recommend them and nothing more because there isn't alot more that can be done as it's not possible culturally to make people wear them either here.

Recommending people wear them will help but honestly my opinion is that is all they can do

I wouldn't have thought it was possible culturally to shut the pubs but that happened.

They can only recommend them beacuse supplies are still low and the HSE is not willling to share outside of the frontline with the vulnerable and mature. Also because there is no new scientific evidence to support making mandatory, no new evidence is needed for advising.

That might be all they can do

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I suspect that the idea of not pushing masks, lies not so much in making sure that there are enough for the medical people (after all we can make homemade masks); but that to get over the virus, we actually need herd immunity. Otherwise, we continue to spread it until that occurs.

No, masks will be essential.

I'm afraid that the evidence to date is that infection by Covid doesn't generate sufficient level of antibodies to prevent reinfection. This virus is specific not only how it tricks the immune system but also by the fact that infection doesn't generate long term immunity unlike other viruses. Measles or chickenpox virus infection provides antibodies which prevent infection for decades, for influenza strains it is couple of years. With covid-19 it looks like it's not even a year so far. Herd immunity won't happen on population level just based on the exposure generating antibodies, they are insufficient. What seems to be needed as per virologists is cellular immunity which unlike antibody immunity takes very long time to build up in the population.

So masks are absolutely essential while we lose restrictions, keep the economy from crashing, keep things going and wait for population level cell immunity and vaccine. Which is going to be years. Not months.

Wibbs wrote: »

The crack in their arses is well worn from sitting on the fence, with the occasional lurch off it, often a forced one. Generally the only thing they'll be clear about is arse coverage and vagueness. I dread to think about the end result of all this and the aftermath. Sure it'll be graaaand(throw in some banal poetic quote to keep the suburban housewives happy).

Yep.

I'll tell ya what will happen if they don't force masks as a part of the return to normality.

There'll be a second spike, cases will go up again, more people will die, further lockdown will be needed, further billions of revenue will be lost, unemployment will get worse. And of course the taxpayer will pay it both on humanity as well as financial level...