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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #6092
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Stark wrote: »
    Still no clarity for those of us with family outside the travel restriction boundary.

    Make your own clarity. Just keep to the social distancing and the hygiene instructions.


  • #6093
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    the kelt wrote: »
    18th May.

    So be it.

    At least some dates have been given, at least a plan of some description.

    Let’s see what 18th May brings.

    Another extension.. with a week of kite-flying in the media beforehand.

    Almost 3 more weeks of this is nonsense, and 2km changing to 5km is likely pointless for anyone outside of a big town or city.


  • #6094
    setanta1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    Gael23 wrote: »
    My interpretation is that on May 18th we get more detail in the next phase

    The fact that is only your interpretation is the problem. That was a shambolic announcement. He said outdoor workers and some DIY shops will open then. Then 3 weeks before anything else happens, is what he said.

    The fact that it is open to interpretation, shows what a mess that was.


  • #6095
    GCIREL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 ✭GCIREL


    I hope more details on the late late tonight. I wish he'd say if you can successfully work from home please do so until X date. Give us some clue and everyone else who can't and therefore in a worse position will be back by X date (unless **** hits the fan even more)


  • #6096
    Pretzill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,756 ✭✭✭Pretzill


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    No the lockdown is a completely knee jerk reaction to a virus that appears to be less deadly the more we learn about it. The restrictions however

    Almost a quarter of a million people have died across the world - how deadly do you want it to get?


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  • #6097
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,842 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    our Nanny state becomes a basket case - An oncoming recession to end all recessions and push many over the edge - me included - lost all my work, still have to pay my ****ing rent - **** this place.


  • #6098
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    When I first starting listening + lockdown continued I thought I would crack up.

    However when heard we can now go 5km from home + over 70s allowed out I'm actually happy. It's a start. It will make a huge difference to our family.

    We can now go back to two amazing parks which are actually much safer for social distancing than walking in built up areas on narrow footpaths like we have been doing for 5 weeks.

    My parents can now also go outside.

    We are not there yet but it's a start.


  • #6099
    setanta1984
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 840 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    Arghus wrote: »
    No they haven't. They're doing exactly the same as us. Putting forth a timetable of step by step decreases if safe to do so over time. They aren't going back to normal life any quicker than us. And let's not forget their lockdowns were much longer and stricter than ours.

    Yes they are. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52459034 and https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52435273. Dates, with exactly what they hope to have in place.


  • #6100
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭JTMan


    A little bit of detail via The Irish Times ...
    On the 8th of June, cocooners may be advised that they can shop again and larger funerals are expected to be allowed. At this time people will be allowed to meet with four others who are not from their own family, indoor or outdoors. Marts are also expected to reopen.

    On the 29 of June, playgrounds, cafes and restaurants may reopen. On the 20 July, hairdressers and swimming pools may reopen, one source said.

    On the 10 August, theatres may reopen.


  • #6101
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Arghus wrote: »
    Without lockdowns a death toll in the low millions at this stage worldwide would have been quite possible.

    Only in the sense that "anything is possible".

    In the final accounting, you'll need to explain why countries with no lockdown, or only a lacklustre lockdown, don't have the hundreds of thousands of deaths which are supposed to be their share in these millions of deaths.
    You pulled this ludicrously high figure of 400 million out of your bum the last day and claimed that everyone arguing in favour of lockdowns was claiming there would be that many dead.

    I'm still waiting for some news source that has a government figure or policy maker quoting this figure to justify the lockdown.

    You're another person who hasn't even glanced at the mainstream epidemiological models related to this. Here you are:

    Report 9: Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) to reduce COVID-19 mortality and healthcare demand

    Imperial College's model originally predicted 670 per 100,000 would die of coronavirus. This was used to justify the lockdown in the UK and formed a big part of the global panic.

    The Spanish flu killed 637 per 100,000 and the death toll was circa 50 million globally. With today's increased population that would be circa 400 million.

    Now here's a question for you:

    Why do I even need to tell you this?

    Don't you know the original numbers from Imperial College's model and the Fauci-Brix model? Don't you also know the revised numbers from subsequent news reports?

    I thought people were following on a daily basis - yet they lack basic facts. Its all like some bad dream.


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  • #6102
    richie_os
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭richie_os


    He said something about meeting in small groups after the 18th? But it was very quick and he moved on swiftly. Can anyone shed any light on this?


  • #6103
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Over 90% of people of deaths are in the over 65 category. And we’ve just told them to go out.

    While nothing else changes.

    Absolute joke. Minor lifting of things in 2 weeks and than another 3 weeks.

    Yeah I got that.

    But they have form spreading into the nursing homes themselves.


  • #6104
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,147 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    setanta1984 wrote: »
    The fact that is only your interpretation is the problem. That was a shambolic announcement. He said outdoor workers and some DIY shops will open then. Then 3 weeks before anything else happens, is what he said.

    The fact that it is open to interpretation, shows what a mess that was.

    And what would your friend Mary Lou have done better?


  • #6105
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,151 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    They are back to economic life 3 weeks ago. Pubs and restaurants to open by June 1st. How is that anything like Ireland?

    If you want pubs and restaurants open again by June 1st you need to get your head examined.


  • #6106
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    helimachoptor wrote: »
    Did he say anything about meeting friends from the 18th? I wasn't watching but my wife said she heard it

    Yes meeting with friends outdoor whatever that means.


  • #6107
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Pretzill wrote: »
    Almost a quarter of a million people have died across the world - how deadly do you want it to get?

    Well I suppose more than 1% of the death rate overall


  • #6108
    Meraf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭Meraf


    I'm not really happy haw our government is managing this restrictions. Our economy is *****d. Current numbers of new cases /dead are not high.. Other countries are opening and introduce additional safety measures like masks but they relax restrictions.. They know that they need money. They know Economy need to move ahead..


  • #6109
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Arghus wrote: »
    If you want pubs and restaurants open again by June 1st you need to get your head examined.

    Nah your argument said Italy and Spain were stricter than Ireland. A few posters rubbished that argument. Now you retort with this about wanting pubs open


  • #6110
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,139 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Where are you going to go?

    I've been weighing up an offer from the States. Might be worth giving it a go now. This country is FUBAR'd for a decade IMO

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #6111
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Meraf wrote: »
    I'm not really happy haw our government is managing this restrictions. Our economy is *****d. Current numbers of new cases /dead are not high.. Other countries are opening and introduce additional safety measures like masks but they relax restrictions.. They know that they need money. They know Economy need to move ahead..

    Our economy is f*cked anyway, a couple more weeks wont make much of a difference.


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  • #6112
    aidoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    JTMan wrote: »
    A little bit of detail via The Irish Times ...

    Hairdressers / barbers staying closed 'til July 20th!? Oh man we'll all come out of this lockdown looking like Cousin It


  • #6113
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    JRant wrote: »
    I've been weighing up an offer from the States. Might be worth giving it a go now. This country is FUBAR'd for a decade IMO

    Well in fairness Spain, Italy, Germany or anywhere on the continent will be more attractive than the nanny state in 4 weeks time.


  • #6114
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Outdoor time for over 70s and exercise limit extended to 5km
    Current restrictions extended until 18 May

    2km limit in place for exercise to be extended to 5km
    Schools to stay closed until September
    Outdoor workers will return to work in two weeks' time
    DIY and hardware stores are to reopen from 18 May
    Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has addressed the public on steps to ease the existing Covid-19 restrictions.

    The Taoiseach said the current restrictions will be extended until 18 May.

    Mr Varadkar said two more weeks of tight restrictions are needed to weaken the virus further.

    In a briefing tonight, has said that people over 70 who have been cocooning should continue to do so but they can go outside their homes from Tuesday if they avoid all contact with other people.

    He also said the 2km limit that is currently in place for exercise for the general population is set to be extended to 5km.

    Mr Varadkar said the virus has transformed our lives in ways we could not have imagined.

    Mr Varadkar said the risk of a second phase of the virus is ever present.

    The Taoiseach set out a road map with five steps for how Irish society and the economy can be reopened. The stages will be three weeks apart starting on 18 May.

    He said we can only move from one stage to the next if we can keep the virus under control.

    Mr Varadkar also said that outdoor workers will be able to return to work in two weeks' time on 18 May.

    From 18 May, some retail outlets like garden centres, hardware stores and repair shops will reopen. Some sporting activities in small groups will be allowed.

    He said many regular health services will resume operating and it will be possible to meet friends and family in small groups outdoors.

    He said we have not yet won the fight and too many people are in intensive care units with Covid-19 and we have too many deaths.

    He said if the restrictions are lifted too early, everything we have achieved would be lost and we could be back to square one.

    He said our physical health has been attacked, the economy battered and society put to the ultimate test.

    The Cabinet will meet again in the morning to discuss the restrictions.


  • #6115
    Meraf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 ✭Meraf


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Our economy is f*cked anyway, a couple more weeks wont make much of a difference.

    National Debt will grow - that is the difference . More people will loose their jobs that is the difference.
    Generations will have to pay this debt going forward


  • #6116
    GazzaL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭GazzaL


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Our economy is f*cked anyway, a couple more weeks wont make much of a difference.

    Except every week counts, because the liabilities for businesses will continue to mount.


  • #6117
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,277 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    JRant wrote: »
    I've been weighing up an offer from the States. Might be worth giving it a go now. This country is FUBAR'd for a decade IMO

    Doesn't look great over there either


  • #6118
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,823 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Penfailed wrote: »
    ...and that the exercise must be solitary and you must have a written letter to show the police and the rest...yeah...copy and paste pretty much.

    You write your own letter it’s hardly that big a deal do you have any idea how backward Spain and Italy are in that regard ? I worked with a Spanish guy who printed and filed all his emails

    That’s what you are dealing with


  • #6119
    malinheader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    He is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
    Opens up and health services become overwhelmed hes a cnut.
    Doesn't open up he is also a cnut.
    No winning whatever he was going to suggest.
    Only way out of this is a vaccine.


  • #6120
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Will the 5km limit be completely removed on the 18th? What an unclear statement! Are people going to wait until August to see family/friends that are 40/50km away?


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  • #6121
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    I would be surprised if family members, who now overlap in the radius of their exercise circles, don't meet up, especially if in an open space they can observe distancing. It'll be next to impossible to stop that.


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