The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

timthumbni · 30-04-2020 02:06PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

Well you see, that's because I managed my team (and my overlords') expectations well, starting three years ago, reinforced two years ago, repeated last year, and "bug-fixed" in January. Every time a mistake was made, it was turned into a learning example, and yes, there were some "mistakes" that I had to highlight three or four times with an "I warned you this would happen if you didn't do what I said" admonishment before the message finally sunk in.

So I'm enjoying my downtime now, knowing that I've created a pandemic-free bubble in one of the hottest Covid hotspots where everything's ticking along nicely. I'll be going back to the coal-face in a couple of weeks to give Management a hard time about what they need to do in 2021 and 2022 ... but right now, the sun's come out and there's chainsaw waiting for me to wield it creatively.

Would you listen to yourself? Sorry, but you come across as a Patrick Bateman type character who has illusions over your own importance. You probably go into a rage over the font on one of your colleagues business cards. The chainsaw reference too. Classic...

Professor Moriarty · 30-04-2020 02:32PM

Lots of Ad Hominems on this thread today.

Tokyo · 30-04-2020 02:47PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

You probably need to take your own advice Joe as you`re well known for `making up stories`. :rolleyes:

Joe_ Public wrote: »

You are able to see, right, that the post you quote is intended sarcasm? I mean, is it that difficult to spot or did i just miss the mark completely?

timthumbni wrote: »

Would you listen to yourself? Sorry, but you come across as a Patrick Bateman type character who has illusions over your own importance. You probably go into a rage over the font on one of your colleagues business cards. The chainsaw reference too. Classic...

Mod: Put away the handbags. Next snipe gets a threadban.

blinding · 30-04-2020 04:01PM

serfboard wrote: »

What are you talking about? Everyone knows that 44% is a majority!

52% for Brexit definitely is and yet there were many that did not accept that. :eek:

Leroy42 · 30-04-2020 04:21PM

blinding wrote: »

52% for Brexit definitely is and yet there were many that did not accept that. :eek:

The vast majority accepted it. It is just that they want the Brexit they voted for not the one that they have been left with.

BonnieSituation · 30-04-2020 04:30PM

theological wrote: »

I find the article interesting because I live in Britain and this directly has an impact on what my immediate future will look like.

I agree that it is less interesting if you're commenting from Ireland to take every opportunity to criticise the British government despite the fact that the approaches in both jurisdictions aren't massively different and weren't massively different.

Each to their own though.

It's the British government's fault that they are being criticised.
It's not the critics fault that they are doing the criticising. Or that there's need to.

Jesus.

BonnieSituation · 30-04-2020 04:34PM

timthumbni wrote: »

And it’s very easy from our armchairs to throw verbal grenades about too,criticising others after the fact. You aren’t making any decisions. This is a worldwide ****show. It’s not just the brits messing about here.

I really worry about how this will end economically. This is only the start of something that will effect not only ourselves for years but quite possibly our children and grandchildren down the line too.

So we shouldn't criticise the shambolic UK response at all lest it hurts someone's feelings?

blinding · 30-04-2020 05:01PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

The vast majority accepted it. It is just that they want the Brexit they voted for not the one that they have been left with.

They are out of the Eu, They will be staying out of the Eu.

That's a Great Start for people who do not want to be in the Eu.

Harry Palmr · 30-04-2020 05:22PM

Not sure if it's the first time but the UK briefing said without missing a beat that the numbers on the chart (which are bad today) didn't take account of the deaths in the community. Obviously it would be stupid to deny but equally slightly surprised they acknowledged it.

Trust rating chart

https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1255882121455026177

munsterlegend · 30-04-2020 05:41PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So we shouldn't criticise the shambolic UK response at all lest it hurts someone's feelings?

For lads always on about remembering the war dead they do like to shut down freedom of expression/views when it suits. All a bit ironic.

Donald Trump · 30-04-2020 05:47PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

So we shouldn't criticise the shambolic UK response at all lest it hurts someone's feelings?

Well sure look. This thread wouldn't exist only for certain posters took exception over on the Brexit thread to any suggestions that Boris et. al. could ever make a mistake when it was blindingly obvious to everyone else that they were being highly highly negligent in their responsibilities

Where are we now? Numbers on the worldometer site have UK with a little less than 1900 deaths behind Italy but today's numbers have not been added yet.

If the UK passes Italy in a few days we'll have people on here telling us that that is simply because Italy is "2 weeks behind" the UK or some such nonsense.

theological · 30-04-2020 05:48PM

The testing figure for yesterday was 81,611. They might make 100,000 today based on that figure.

bilston · 30-04-2020 06:03PM

theological wrote: »

The testing figure for yesterday was 81,611. They might make 100,000 today based on that figure.

They will probably fall short, but whether they will get huge criticism for having 90,000 (if that's where they get to) tests a day instead of 100,000 is doubtful. I suppose the ultimate aim was to increase significantly which they have done, putting a fixed number on it was a political error (by Matt Hancock I think).

In truth I think they need even more than 100,000 a day (and I'd say that of any country). The best way to ease the lockdown before a vaccine or better treatments emerge is to have the ability to test people and to test then regularly.

theological · 30-04-2020 06:07PM

bilston wrote: »

They will probably fall short, but whether they will get huge criticism for having 90,000 (if that's where they get to) tests a day instead of 100,000 is doubtful. I suppose the ultimate aim was to increase significantly which they have done, putting a fixed number on it was a political error (by Matt Hancock I think).

In truth I think they need even more than 100,000 a day (and I'd say that of any country). The best way to ease the lockdown before a vaccine or better treatments emerge is to have the ability to test people and to test then regularly.

I agree with your assessment. Judging from the reluctance in the press conference right now, I don't see much in terms of change next Thursday, but hopefully by the next review at the end of May we can see some of these measures eased.

This week we've seen quite a considerable drop in hospital admissions. Hopefully that will translate in a more sudden drop in deaths in the next few weeks.

A Dub in Glasgo · 30-04-2020 06:25PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not sure if it's the first time but the UK briefing said without missing a beat that the numbers on the chart (which are bad today) didn't take account of the deaths in the community. Obviously it would be stupid to deny but equally slightly surprised they acknowledged it.

Trust rating chart

https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1255882121455026177

I took part in this poll :pac:

Professor Moriarty · 30-04-2020 06:36PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I took part in this poll :pac:

I was wondering why the Mail and Express did so well.

robinph · 30-04-2020 06:43PM

80,000 tests done but still only around 5k positive each day.

That is either incredibly good news regarding how much of it is in the population, the tests are a waste of time and not giving accurate results or people are signing up for getting a test and faking a cough in order to get one.

Enzokk · 30-04-2020 07:03PM

robinph wrote: »

80,000 tests done but still only around 5k positive each day.

That is either incredibly good news regarding how much of it is in the population, the tests are a waste of time and not giving accurate results or people are signing up for getting a test and faking a cough in order to get one.

If they ramped up at more than double the from the day before to yeaterday (I believe they were at or around 40 000 tests) then there will be a lag in the results as getting the test is only one step in the process.

I think that they may be rushing towards trying to get to the 100 000 tests done for today as a "F$%k you" to their critics, only to have the system slow down because it is all of a sudden overwhelmed with the number of tests. They set themselves the target, it was hard to reach and to reach it I fear they are going to sacrifice time to get the results to people.

I think this clips explains why this is their strategy,

https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1255907708588511233?s=20

You will notice he was asked what lessons were learned and he jumped on the "right decision at the right time" slogan and threw in that their decisions, "protected the NHS and saved lives". I have yet to see a politician admit they made mistakes nor have I seen anything close to an apology. It is all about trying to tell you how great their response has been. No real lessons that they have learned apparently as he didn't mention any. No better preparation with PPE or trusting the population that they will actually be able to withstand a lockdown.

declanflynn · 30-04-2020 07:24PM

blinding wrote: »

They are out of the Eu, They will be staying out of the Eu.

That's a Great Start for people who do not want to be in the Eu.

But are they really gone? I think we will never be rid of them!

Enzokk · 30-04-2020 07:29PM

Why is a Google executive going to SAGE meetings as a full participant when the CMO's of NI, Wales and Scotland are there only as observers?

Google executive took part in Sage meeting, tech firm confirms

The story yesterday when this came out was he was there with a link to the meeting, now he was there in person and fully participating.

Google has confirmed that one of its senior executives participated in the UK government’s scientific advisory group on Covid-19, raising further questions about the composition of the secretive committee.

Demis Hassabis, a co–founder of Google’s artificial intelligence division, DeepMind, attended a meeting of the scientific advisory group for emergencies (Sage) on 18 March, when the group was considering whether the UK should go into lockdown.

Google said Hassabis was invited by the chief scientific adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, who chairs Sage, which provides top-level guidance to the Cabinet Office during emergencies.

While Hassabis is considered a world-leading AI researcher, the presence on Sage of an executive from a Silicon Valley company that has been exploring ways to profit from using big data in the health industry is likely to deepen controversy about the group.

30-04-2020 07:33PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Why is a Google executive going to SAGE meetings as a full participant when the CMO's of NI, Wales and Scotland are there only as observers?

Google executive took part in Sage meeting, tech firm confirms

The story yesterday when this came out was he was there with a link to the meeting, now he was there in person and fully participating.

Advisory group looking to offer advice on how technology can help with contact tracing, invites a technology expert along.

I’m surprised the Guardian didn’t manage to include Dominic Cummings in that article, he is their go to bogeyman.

Was NHS_Susan also invited?

Joe_ Public · 30-04-2020 07:50PM

The "right decisions at the right time" spin was certainly the talking point today. Johnson said they were right not to lock down earlier as they were trying to time it so they would hit the peak at the perfect time during lockdown. I mean, all the available scientific evidence seems fairly clear on one thing about lockdowns - the earlier, the better. I have never once heard any expert talking about timing lockdowns around predicted peaks. In fact, i recall the uk advisers repeatedly saying at daily briefings that they could never be sure when the peak was going to come.

Enzokk · 30-04-2020 08:04PM

Aegir wrote: »

Advisory group looking to offer advice on how technology can help with contact tracing, invites a technology expert along.

I’m surprised the Guardian didn’t manage to include Dominic Cummings in that article, he is their go to bogeyman.

Was NHS_Susan also invited?

Ah, you have the meetings minutes. Great stuff. Although, why would they be discussing track and trace technology only 6 days after they decided to drop it as their policy to fight this pandemic?

Historians might look back on March 12 as the most significant date in Britain's coronavirus response. This was the day the UK formally abandoned the "contain" phase -- an attempt to stop the virus in its tracks by tracking every outbreak and tracing its origins; and moved to the "delay" phase -- an effort to "flatten the curve" and prevent the health service from being overloaded.

Where did it go wrong for the UK on coronavirus?

Enzokk · 30-04-2020 08:18PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

The "right decisions at the right time" spin was certainly the talking point today. Johnson said they were right not to lock down earlier as they were trying to time it so they would hit the peak at the perfect time during lockdown. I mean, all the available scientific evidence seems fairly clear on one thing about lockdowns - the earlier, the better. I have never once heard any expert talking about timing lockdowns around predicted peaks. In fact, i recall the uk advisers repeatedly saying at daily briefings that they could never be sure when the peak was going to come.

Yeah, and the chief blusterer is back to throw more mud into this whole mess. These tweets seem to sum this all up really,

https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1255899965395615745?s=20

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1255902627356966915?s=20

RobMc59 · 30-04-2020 08:21PM

CelticRambler wrote: »

Well you see, that's because I managed my team (and my overlords') expectations well, starting three years ago, reinforced two years ago, repeated last year, and "bug-fixed" in January. Every time a mistake was made, it was turned into a learning example, and yes, there were some "mistakes" that I had to highlight three or four times with an "I warned you this would happen if you didn't do what I said" admonishment before the message finally sunk in.

So I'm enjoying my downtime now, knowing that I've created a pandemic-free bubble in one of the hottest Covid hotspots where everything's ticking along nicely. I'll be going back to the coal-face in a couple of weeks to give Management a hard time about what they need to do in 2021 and 2022 ... but right now, the sun's come out and there's chainsaw waiting for me to wield it creatively.

I worked for a French company some time ago who were manufacturing an intermediate for astra zenicas cholesterol drug and the underhanded tactics by their rival Pfizer who even somehow managed to involve the FDA in their shenanigans was scandalous.
I mention this as I wonder if you might expect any underhanded tactics over who produces a vaccine?

30-04-2020 08:39PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Ah, you have the meetings minutes. Great stuff. Although, why would they be discussing track and trace technology only 6 days after they decided to drop it as their policy to fight this pandemic?

So why was he there then? What sinister motives do you have for a data mining expert from the worlds biggest technology company being there?

Invited by the chief scientific advisor no less, I bet he is in on whatever nefarious scheme is involved as well.

blinding · 30-04-2020 09:15PM

declanflynn wrote: »

But are they really gone? I think we will never be rid of them!

Its getting rid of you ( the Eu ) that is the problem. You are like some sort of Stalker that cannot accept getting dumped ! ! ! :eek::eek:

blinding · 30-04-2020 09:21PM

Enzokk wrote: »

Yeah, and the chief blusterer is back to throw more mud into this whole mess. These tweets seem to sum this all up really,

https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1255899965395615745?s=20

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1255902627356966915?s=20

How wrong has James O’Brien been on the Last General Election and Brexit and yet he is the go to guy for some Irish People on British Matters :eek::eek:

Perhaps , get a go to guy that gets something right now and again :eek::eek:

Enzokk · 30-04-2020 09:52PM

Aegir wrote: »

So why was he there then? What sinister motives do you have for a data mining expert from the worlds biggest technology company being there?

Invited by the chief scientific advisor no less, I bet he is in on whatever nefarious scheme is involved as well.

I don't know why he was there. You seem to know. Maybe release the minutes? Or what other snarky smart reply do you have that doesn't address anything we try to discuss on this thread.

blinding wrote: »

How wrong has James O’Brien been on the Last General Election and Brexit and yet he is the go to guy for some Irish People on British Matters :eek::eek:

Perhaps , get a go to guy that gets something right now and again :eek::eek:

Ah, great, lets discuss James O'Brien then instead of the topic we are supposed to be. Go to move right there my friend.

blinding · 30-04-2020 09:57PM

Enzokk wrote: »

I don't know why he was there. You seem to know. Maybe release the minutes? Or what other snarky smart reply do you have that doesn't address anything we try to discuss on this thread.

Ah, great, lets discuss James O'Brien then instead of the topic we are supposed to be. Go to move right there my friend.

I am not the one quoting James O’ Brien as a reliable source on the British People / British matters ! !

I am just posting out that he a a good source of getting stuff wrong on the British people and British matters.

I assume you are concerned about accuracy ! !

The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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