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The UK response to Covid-19 [MOD WARNING 1ST POST]

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  • #4682
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,105 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    blinding wrote: »
    Diane Abbott would have told the British people that 200 Million British People were going to die and that they deserved to die, particularly the White British.

    Jeremy would have said Diane is doing Great Job, and that he hoped Diane’s Predictions were Correct ! ! !

    Why are you making up hypothetical situations?

    There is more than enough real life disaster to be worrying about without inventing rubbish.


  • #4683
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ive seen anti tory and anti UK government stuff, havent seen much anti british stuff at all in this thread, just a lot of people claming it while mistakingly equating the former as the latter.

    Oh it’s there. Even Stevie Wonder could see it. The fact is that the majority of the British people voted for conservatives in the recent election. A lot of Irish people don’t like it but it’s time to move on.

    This is a worldwide disaster. Everyone is hurting and this is only the start of the hurt. I wouldn’t be throwing too many stones until you see how your own country gets out of this.


  • #4684
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Why are you making up hypothetical situations?

    There is more than enough real life disaster to be worrying about without inventing rubbish.
    In Real Life the British people Knew that Jeremy and Co. ( including Diane Abbott ) would be an absolute disaster = That’s why they did not Vote for Them.

    Can you imagine Diane Abbott of Jeremy Corbyn giving some of these briefings.

    Diane Abbott would have made Pritti Patel look like a Mathematical Genius.

    Jeremy would have been reading Mao and perhaps explaining how good Mao was at human extermination.

    The British People dodged a lot of Bullets by not Voting for the Labour Party ! ! !


  • #4685
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have to say it is touching how much concern, and even dare I say it love for the UK there is on this thread.

    It is heartwarming to see how much some people in Ireland care about Britain. I know people throw around the phrase 'west brit' as an insult but this thread reminds us that those who watch British media and follow British politics obsessively only do so because of their altruistic concern for their fellow inhabitants of these islands.

    So great is that love and concern for the UK that literally none of the regular contributors to this thread have appeared ONCE on the main coronavirus threads to discuss the Irish government's response. Perhaps they are so concerned with their British friends that they have forgotten their Irish ones? I hope not, we are all human after all.

    I suppose the other explanation is that our response here has been perfect, there have been no issues with testing in this country, our care homes have been well protected, and the fact that a lot of people appear to be dying is only because we can count properly and the foreigners can't.


  • #4686
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    "...literally none of the regular contributors to this thread have appeared ONCE on the main coronavirus threads to discuss the Irish government's response...'

    Now, that is some claim. Literally akin to a Matt Hancock promise.


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  • #4687
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,300 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    timthumbni wrote: »
    And it’s very easy from our armchairs to throw verbal grenades about too,criticising others after the fact. You aren’t making any decisions.

    Not in the UK, I'm not, but I am making them in my own sphere of influence, and way back in February it was clear as day that the UK were following inappropriate advice. I was one of several people (on here and elsewhere) criticising them "before" the fact and "during" the fact; we're not in the "after" phase yet - but the UK government is, slowly and painfully, finally beginning to follow the recommendations set out by people like myself who know about this stuff. Unfortunately, most of those recommendations have a "right time" component to them, and the right time was in January and February; that means that many of them are no longer relevant or appropriate to the current situation. So the Johnson-Cummings administration still hasn't learnt from the "mistakes" made earlier in the year. That's a sure sign of incompetence.


  • #4688
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    When you see the Tory government on 50% in the Polls ; That tells you how glad the British Public are that they did not Vote for The Labour Party ! ! !


  • #4689
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So great is that love and concern for the UK that literally none of the regular contributors to this thread have appeared ONCE on the main coronavirus threads to discuss the Irish government's response. Perhaps they are so concerned with their British friends that they have forgotten their Irish ones? I hope not, we are all human after all.


    Now lets check that theory out shall we?


    Ive posted 168 posts in the covid forum, only 78 of which are in this thread....


    But wait that doesn't even count all the main threads that were going on prior to the covid forum being created yet were not moved to this forum where at a rough calculation ive around 300 posts in dating all the way back to mid January.


    So out of roughly 468 posts, 78 were in this thread..... yeah you can stfu


  • #4690
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    Talking about hindsight remember back in early/mid March when corbyn was accusing the government of being complacent in its reaction and asking why the uk's response was different to most other countries, did he imagine anyone would thank him for pointing out the truth.

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/corbyn-should-be-ashamed-of-his-coronavirus-point-scoring


  • #4691
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Now lets check that theory out shall we?


    Ive posted 168 posts in the covid forum, only 78 of which are in this thread....


    But wait that doesn't even count all the main threads that were going on prior to the covid forum being created yet were not moved to this forum where at a rough calculation ive around 300 posts in dating all the way back to mid January.


    So out of roughly 468 posts, 78 were in this thread..... yeah you can stfu

    I have personally posted quite a number of times in the main thread but dont generally bother because it's just too busy for proper engagement. I check it every 10-15 minutes and there's, like, 50 new posts in it. Just too difficult to keep up.


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  • #4692
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    I have personally posted quite a number of times in the main thread but dont generally bother because it's just too busy for proper engagement. I check it every 10-15 minutes and there's, like, 50 new posts in it. Just too difficult to keep up.

    Yup same reason I stopped going into it


  • #4693
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    Not in the UK, I'm not, but I am making them in my own sphere of influence, and way back in February it was clear as day that the UK were following inappropriate advice. I was one of several people (on here and elsewhere) criticising them "before" the fact and "during" the fact; we're not in the "after" phase yet - but the UK government is, slowly and painfully, finally beginning to follow the recommendations set out by people like myself who know about this stuff. Unfortunately, most of those recommendations have a "right time" component to them, and the right time was in January and February; that means that many of them are no longer relevant or appropriate to the current situation. So the Johnson-Cummings administration still hasn't learnt from the "mistakes" made earlier in the year. That's a sure sign of incompetence.

    I’m surprised you have time to post on an internet message board if you are at the coal face of this crisis. There are a lot of armchair scientists on here. And there appears to be a lot of ridiculous ghoulish gloating as well. You would almost think that no one was dying in the RofI and that everyone was going about their normal business. This is not the case. Everyone is in the same boat now. Most British people will know that mistakes have been made. But we get on with things. Comparing the republic with the UK is silly anyway. London alone has far more people living in it than the whole population of the republic. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to work out why the UK figures may be relatively higher.


  • #4694
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,656 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    timthumbni wrote: »
    I’m surprised you have time to post on an internet message board if you are at the coal face of this crisis. There are a lot of armchair scientists on here. And there appears to be a lot of ridiculous ghoulish gloating as well. You would almost think that no one was dying in the RofI and that everyone was going about their normal business. This is not the case. Everyone is in the same boat now. Most British people will know that mistakes have been made. But we get on with things. Comparing the republic with the UK is silly anyway. London alone has far more people living in it than the whole population of the republic. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to work out why the UK figures may be relatively higher.

    Why are the UK figures relatively higher than the rest of the world though? Are you not mildly curious as to why your country is doing worse?


  • #4695
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    The only people i generally see comparing the uk and ireland here are the ones complaining about others comparing the uk and ireland. Criticism of the uk approach does not necessarily imply praise of any other country's approach, whether ireland or elsewhere. Just seems to suit a certain agenda to assume so as well as to ascribe personal motives to people they may or may not have.


  • #4696
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    timthumbni wrote: »
    I’m surprised you have time to post on an internet message board if you are at the coal face of this crisis. There are a lot of armchair scientists on here. And there appears to be a lot of ridiculous ghoulish gloating as well. You would almost think that no one was dying in the RofI and that everyone was going about their normal business. This is not the case. Everyone is in the same boat now. Most British people will know that mistakes have been made. But we get on with things. Comparing the republic with the UK is silly anyway. London alone has far more people living in it than the whole population of the republic. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to work out why the UK figures may be relatively higher.

    Only one group of posters has been consistently trying to compare Ireland and the UK or been using whataboutery regarding Ireland to distract from any UK GOV failings.

    Ill give you a clue who they were, check the names of people thanking your posts.


  • #4697
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Scotland:
    In hospital: 1,748 (+21)
    In ICU: 109 (-5)
    Total confirmed positive cases: 11,353 (+319)
    Total deaths with confirmed positive COVID-19: 1,475 (+60)

    Therefore as it stands, there are a minimum of 2,485 (1,475+1,010) deaths in Scotland (confirmed positive and suspected)


  • #4698
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have to say it is touching how much concern, and even dare I say it love for the UK there is on this thread.

    It is heartwarming to see how much some people in Ireland care about Britain. I know people throw around the phrase 'west brit' as an insult but this thread reminds us that those who watch British media and follow British politics obsessively only do so because of their altruistic concern for their fellow inhabitants of these islands.

    So great is that love and concern for the UK that literally none of the regular contributors to this thread have appeared ONCE on the main coronavirus threads to discuss the Irish government's response. Perhaps they are so concerned with their British friends that they have forgotten their Irish ones? I hope not, we are all human after all.

    I suppose the other explanation is that our response here has been perfect, there have been no issues with testing in this country, our care homes have been well protected, and the fact that a lot of people appear to be dying is only because we can count properly and the foreigners can't.

    I couldn't agree with this assessment more. Many of the problems bemoaned about on this thread are faced by other countries of a similar size. For example there was this rather odd protest in Germany about the difficulties getting PPE there.

    Many of the same problems are faced in Ireland too, but as you say, people seem much more fixated on what the UK is doing even when it actually isn't all that different from what Ireland is doing.

    I'm happy to accept fair criticism of the UK response. For example that the UK should have put stricter measures on air travel earlier, that the slowness of the response in respect to testing is frustrating (I said earlier on this thread that I would criticise the government for failing to get to 100,000 tests and I am happy to do this if it doesn't materialize today), and I think the government have treated us like children by not expanding the exit strategy in more detail.

    But, the criticism on this thread isn't proportionate. It is simply criticism for criticisms sake without balance.

    There will be things for lots of countries to learn as this is unfolding and afterwards. The UK isn't unique here.


  • #4699
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    theological wrote: »
    I couldn't agree with this assessment more. Many of the problems bemoaned about on this thread are faced by other countries of a similar size. For example there was this rather odd protest in Germany about the difficulties getting PPE there.

    Many of the same problems are faced in Ireland too, but as you say, people seem much more fixated on what the UK is doing even when it actually isn't all that different from what Ireland is doing.

    I'm happy to accept fair criticism of the UK response. For example that the UK should have put stricter measures on air travel earlier, that the slowness of the response in respect to testing is frustrating (I said earlier on this thread that I would criticise the government for failing to get to 100,000 tests and I am happy to do this if it doesn't materialize today), and I think the government have treated us like children by not expanding the exit strategy in more detail.

    But, the criticism on this thread isn't proportionate. It is simply criticism for criticisms sake without balance.

    There will be things for lots of countries to learn as this is unfolding and afterwards. The UK isn't unique here.

    See, that's the thing. Nobody on here, that i can remember, claimed any other country had been perfect or hadnt make mistakes. But you cant just compare the uk to germany when it suits, and then when it doesnt, claim you cant compare, have to wait, now is not the time etc. That's the kind of mental gymnastics they are employing daily at the briefings and everybody can see through it it is so transparent.


  • #4700
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    theological wrote: »
    I couldn't agree with this assessment more. Many of the problems bemoaned about on this thread are faced by other countries of a similar size. For example there was this rather odd protest in Germany about the difficulties getting PPE there.

    Many of the same problems are faced in Ireland too, but as you say, people seem much more fixated on what the UK is doing even when it actually isn't all that different from what Ireland is doing.

    I'm happy to accept fair criticism of the UK response. For example that the UK should have put stricter measures on air travel earlier, that the slowness of the response in respect to testing is frustrating (I said earlier on this thread that I would criticise the government for failing to get to 100,000 tests and I am happy to do this if it doesn't materialize today), and I think the government have treated us like children by not expanding the exit strategy in more detail.

    But, the criticism on this thread isn't proportionate. It is simply criticism for criticisms sake without balance.

    There will be things for lots of countries to learn as this is unfolding and afterwards. The UK isn't unique here.


    Again it seems you need it explained to you why people on here specifically might be more focused the UK than say Germany or other countries.


    Im gonna use caps this time cus maybe that might get it into your head.


    MANY PEOPLE ON HERE AND THROUGHOUT IRELAND HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN THE UK.


    The UK literally has the largest society of Irish expats with roughly around 500k. Its is our closest neighbor both physically and culturally and we actually share our only physical land border with them. Are you saying we can not show concern regarding all of the above by critiquing the UK governments response?


  • #4701
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    See, that's the thing. Nobody on here, that i can remember, claimed any other country had been perfect or hadnt make mistakes. But you cant just compare the uk to germany when it suits, and then when it doesnt, claim you cant compare, have to wait, now is not the time etc. That's the kind of mental gymnastics they are employing daily at the briefings and everybody can see through it it is so transparent.


    I can do whatever I like actually.

    It is a helpful observation to say that Germany has struggled in procuring and distributing PPE in the same way that the UK has.

    It is also a helpful observation to say that the UK has a lot to learn from Germany in testing.

    Both are entirely logical observations.
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Again it seems you need it explained to you why people on here specifically might be more focused the UK than say Germany or other countries.


    Im gonna use caps this time cus maybe that might get it into your head.


    MANY PEOPLE ON HERE AND THROUGHOUT IRELAND HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY AND FRIENDS IN THE UK.


    The UK literally has the largest society of Irish expats with roughly around 500k. Its is our closest neighbor both physically and culturally and we actually share our only physical land border with them. Are you saying we can not show concern regarding all of the above by critiquing the UK governments response?

    I'd recommend getting a bit of fresh air within the 2km radius of course. It might help you calm down.


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  • #4702
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,300 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    timthumbni wrote: »
    I’m surprised you have time to post on an internet message board if you are at the coal face of this crisis.

    Well you see, that's because I managed my team (and my overlords') expectations well, starting three years ago, reinforced two years ago, repeated last year, and "bug-fixed" in January. Every time a mistake was made, it was turned into a learning example, and yes, there were some "mistakes" that I had to highlight three or four times with an "I warned you this would happen if you didn't do what I said" admonishment before the message finally sunk in.

    So I'm enjoying my downtime now, knowing that I've created a pandemic-free bubble in one of the hottest Covid hotspots where everything's ticking along nicely. I'll be going back to the coal-face in a couple of weeks to give Management a hard time about what they need to do in 2021 and 2022 ... but right now, the sun's come out and there's chainsaw waiting for me to wield it creatively. :D


  • #4703
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    theological wrote: »
    I'd recommend getting a bit of fresh air within the 2km radius of course. It might help you calm down.


    Classic ad hominem, sad that you need to resort to it


  • #4704
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    theological wrote: »
    I can do whatever I like actually.

    It is a helpful observation to say that Germany has struggled in procuring and distributing PPE in the same way that the UK has.

    It is also a helpful observation to say that the UK has a lot to learn from Germany in testing.

    Both are entirely logical observations.

    To be precise you can make whatever misguided claim you like and you will be pulled up on it. Germany is not struggling for ppe in the same way as the uk as it had much superior stockpiles to begin with. And neither, as far as i know, are their politicians lying and spinning about it the way uk politicians are. The uk does indeed have many lessons to learn which hopefully will stand them in good stead for the next pandemic.


  • #4705
    theological
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,831 ✭✭✭theological


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    To be precise you can make whatever misguided claim you like and you will be pulled up on it. Germany is not struggling for ppe in the same way as the uk as it had much superior stockpiles to begin with. And neither, as far as i know, are their politicians lying and spinning about it the way uk politicians are. The uk does indeed have many lessons to learn which hopefully will stand them in good stead for the next pandemic.

    So the article in The Guardian is fake news?

    I think what's more likely is that PPE is a challenge for a lot of countries. From what I can see online from reputable news sources is that this is the case.

    A number of countries are struggling with testing also actually.

    As I say, I'm happy to engage with criticism, I've got criticisms of my own, but they need to be proportionate.
    VinLieger wrote: »
    Classic ad hominem, sad that you need to resort to it

    There's a serious point in it. If you're going to engage in a child like manner with caps then I might gently suggest that you need to take a break from the keyboard and go for a walk. Entirely sensible to me.


  • #4706
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,301 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    timthumbni wrote: »
    The fact is that the majority of the British people voted for conservatives in the recent election

    That is not a fact at all


  • #4707
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,080 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    That is not a fact at all


    Very true only 43.6% actually, continuing the trend of only 1 government, which was coalition, being able to claim a majority election victory in the UK since 1931. That's just FPtP for you though.


  • #4708
    serfboard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,708 ✭✭✭serfboard


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    That is not a fact at all
    What are you talking about? Everyone knows that 44% is a majority!


  • #4709
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    theological wrote: »
    So the article in The Guardian is fake news?

    I think what's more likely is that PPE is a challenge for a lot of countries. From what I can see online from reputable news sources is that this is the case.

    A number of countries are struggling with testing also actually.

    As I say, I'm happy to engage with criticism, I've got criticisms of my own, but they need to be proportional

    Who said the report in the guardian was fake news or that lots of countries werent having issues with ppe, testing or anything else? Nothing I've read about Germany, including that article, suggests their ppe shortages are quite as acute as those in the uk. But it wouldn't be so bad if uk politicians were just up front about it, admit they were behind and now struggling to keep up. Stop lying by making up stories about missed emails or counting pairs of gloves as two items to make their figures look better.


  • #4710
    RobMc59
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Does this "seismic" activity include the 10s of thousands who are pouring across the donegal border every day?

    Joe_ Public wrote: »
    Who said the report in the guardian was fake news or that lots of countries werent having issues with ppe, testing or anything else? Nothing I've read about Germany, including that article, suggests their ppe shortages are quite as acute as those in the uk. But it wouldn't be so bad if uk politicians were just up front about it, admit they were behind and now struggling to keep up. Stop lying by making up stories about missed emails or counting pairs of gloves as two items to make their figures look better.

    You probably need to take your own advice Joe as you`re well known for `making up stories`. :rolleyes:


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  • #4711
    Joe_ Public
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    RobMc59 wrote: »




    You probably need to take your own advice Joe as you`re well known for `making up stories`. :rolleyes:

    You are able to see, right, that the post you quote is intended sarcasm? I mean, is it that difficult to spot or did i just miss the mark completely?

    What other examples do you have, given you specified plural?


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