The deaths were not, officials say, coronavirus deaths. They were therefore other deaths. They must have been unusual deaths, in the sense they occurred with unexpected frequency. Something must have caused them. What else is there but the lockdown? Well, that’s not a proof, of course, but the burden of proof is on those who would defend the lockdown. What are those other deaths? Looking at the breakdowns by age (not shown), most of the spike in all deaths comes from those north of 60, both male and female, with stronger signals increasing with age, on average. Usually, people this age are dying from cancer and heart disease (strokes, CHF, MIs, and so on). Are these people not seeking medical treatment as usual? People being turned away? Stress, panic, and fear increased? Suicides?
Naturally, officials, realizing the importance of an analysis like this, might go back, like our Yale professors, and claim retroactively that the bodies in the secondary spike are all also coronavirus deaths. But that doesn’t solve the problem, because then, given the absence of spikes in places without lockdowns, it looks like the lockdowns might be responsible for extra corona deaths.
easypazz wrote: » ~1 million people on some sort of welfare crutch because of this, you can't see much wrong?
EUROPE ECONOMY Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors
dashdoll wrote: » How long do people reckon tommorrows extension will be because lets face it, what we are getting is going to be an extension in all but name. While I'm so mindful and worried about the health implications, I am financially CRIPPLED and need to go back to work. I'm more stressed about losing the roof over my head and going into massive debt again like before again to be honest.
peasant wrote: » Wouldn't that be lovely if he were right. But we don't know (yet) because ...no test. And until we can know, I can't see much wrong with being cautious, just in case he isn't right
Nickindublin wrote: » The goal posts have been changed. The medical advisors are supposed to be advisors but from what i can see now they are dictating this.
OkeyDoke12 wrote: » What are the chances of the 2km restriction being abolished completely tomorrow? I have family who live 60km away who I haven't seen since lockdown began.
Deleted User wrote: » I can see a need for an emergency budget to be brought in. They’ll be looking to tax the hell out of people still working to help pay for this lockdown and the Covid payments. Everyone in the country is going to be screaming for funds that are just simply no longer available. The banks will need a bailout if too many go on pay holidays and can’t pay. The fallout will kill many more than Covid. I can see some serious carnage and chaos kicking off if things don’t change very soon. Possibly protests or just complete unrest and the gards won’t cope. We’re literally pissing away the future of the country when we should be just looking to protect the elders. Tell them to cocoon.
NewRed2 wrote: » It was exactly what you posted. And others saw it too and it got reported.
Stormyteacup wrote: » Most definitely there is more to this than we are being told. I believe NPHET have decided their policies are reasonably closely aligned with an eradication policy and that they are going for eradication. Disappointingly they have decided not to bring the rest of us in on the plan. A document was presented to NPHET on 10th April asking them to consider an eradication plan rather than current plan of suppression, and flattening of curve, (likely by McConkey). But this plan as pointed out by another poster here relies on All-Ireland compliance, which needs more time. Can't at this point think of any other reason they want to buy more time with so much resistance from general population, along with a strong cohort of 'opposition' politicians voicing dissatisfaction with keeping the economy closed.
lawrencesummers wrote: » That’s not what I posted, but don’t let accuracy cloud your mis placed rage.
Nickindublin wrote: » They started ok but have now ended up making a hash of it. There should have been an exit plan and the criteria for exiting published weeks ago. For example when we hit ABC we will reopen so many days ltr So and So and on and on. People need a plan to buy into this. Its being 6 weeks and no plan. Simon Harris said that we would be testing 100000 a week in March. We still wont be doing it in 3 weeks. We were told the the R had to be below 1 to start lifting the lock down and this is the most important criteria which it has being for the last 2 weeks nearly. The biggest failure was the nursing homes. Why were these not in full lock down. Last week they started the spin saying people were not social distancing and that the lock down was going to be extended. I feel like I am back in school and being told I'm getting more detention. (B)I have a big fear that there is more to this than we are being told.(/B) We badly need a government and IMO it should have being a Unity government 8 weeks ago. How on earth is Shane Ross still in cabinet and unelected officials determining the course. If you think the financial crash was bad wait until you see this. I fear for what will come. I can see severe social unrest once these restrictions are lifted across Europe. Far right etc
SNNUS wrote: » Professor Johan Giesecke {snip}thinks: - At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available
NewRed2 wrote: » Wow!! This coming from someone who posted that disgusting post earlier saying they talked to a HSE worker yesterday and they died. Did you delete that or did a Mod do it for you? I don't mind if I get a warning for asking that question but it needs to be pointed out that you said that when you're still going around questioning others maturity. I've seen some people post some mad stuff on the internet to try to win an argument they've already lost but not much as bad as what you said. So if I were you I'd ease back on insulting other posters because you don't have a leg to stand on after the depth you sank to earlier sunshine.
SNNUS wrote: » Interesting interview, At least to have a counter balance argument to our 6 O'Clock lockdown show.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfN2JWifLCY Professor Johan Giesecke, one of the world’s most senior epidemiologists, advisor to the Swedish Government (he hired Anders Tegnell who is currently directing Swedish strategy), the first Chief Scientist of the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, and an advisor to the director general of the WHO, lays out with typically Swedish bluntness why he thinks: - UK policy on lockdown and other European countries are not evidence-based - The correct policy is to protect the old and the frail only - This will eventually lead to herd immunity as a “by-product” - The initial UK response, before the “180 degree U-turn”, was better - The Imperial College paper was “not very good” and he has never seen an unpublished paper have so much policy impact - The paper was very much too pessimistic - Any such models are a dubious basis for public policy anyway - The flattening of the curve is due to the most vulnerable dying first as much as the lockdown - The results will eventually be similar for all countries - Covid-19 is a “mild disease” and similar to the flu, and it was the novelty of the disease that scared people. - The actual fatality rate of Covid-19 is the region of 0.1% - At least 50% of the population of both the UK and Sweden will be shown to have already had the disease when mass antibody testing becomes available
GazzaL wrote: » I know a guy who was stopped and searched bringing a bed for a 90 year old woman who was coming out of hospital. The Garda had the regulations out and wasn't sure so told him to have a think about whether it was an essential service or not. Sheer lunacy. It wasn't a young Garda either!
Nickindublin wrote: » They started ok but have now ended up making a hash of it. There should have been an exit plan and the criteria for exiting published weeks ago. For example when we hit ABC we will reopen so many days ltr So and So and on and on. People need a plan to buy into this. Its being 6 weeks and no plan. Simon Harris said that we would be testing 100000 a week in March. We still wont be doing it in 3 weeks. We were told the the R had to be below 1 to start lifting the lock down and this is the most important criteria which it has being for the last 2 weeks nearly. The biggest failure was the nursing homes. Why were these not in full lock down. Last week they started the spin saying people were not social distancing and that the lock down was going to be extended. I feel like I am back in school and being told I'm getting more detention. I have a big fear that there is more to this than we are being told. We badly need a government and IMO it should have being a Unity government 8 weeks ago. How on earth is Shane Ross still in cabinet and unelected officials determining the course. If you think the financial crash was bad wait until you see this. I fear for what will come. I can see severe social unrest once these restrictions are lifted across Europe. Far right etc
Galwayguy35 wrote: » No, people don't need to relax they need to be told the plan for getting out of this, Varadkar better have something worthwhile to say tomorrow otherwise folks will say fook this and do their own thing.
DebDynamite wrote: » It’s crazy. A poster a few posts up said Leo intimated in the Dáil today that airlines might be flying in August (i.e. letting in any citizens of any country who will allow them to fly - we are not stopping *them* from coming into our country), but yet we have to until the end of June to travel to see loved ones.
easypazz wrote: » The consensus of most on here is cocoon the over 70's for their own safety until things normalise. I've seen nobody propose letting it rip in the over 80's. Nobody. Not even 1.
KrustyUCC wrote: » Yes exactly From 12th of March to 5th of May is 55 days According to the Irish Times timetable it will be at least another 2 months if you don't live within 20km of your partner That's up to 30th of June which is 111 days How can the government expect any couple to stick to that?
lawrencesummers wrote: » No point it trying to discuss something with a person whose level of maturity, and ability to articulate a point of view can’t extend beyond a playschool insult.
