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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,111 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    splinter65 wrote: »
    My point is that everyone has to die, of something eventually. As 98% of people who get covid DONT die of it then I’m starting to wonder why we don’t just get back to normal.

    Do you realise the agony people will have if the hospitals become overwhelmed? Death rates, from all cause, will rise when we can't treat all who fall ill. A bit of compassion wouldn't go astray.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    But you are like the angelus with it......hovering on the button waiting for the number ..............RIP, the number who have died


    Isn't one enough and everyone give it all the likes they want

    Think you may need a walk, you sound a bit narky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭poppers


    hmmm wrote: »
    US aiming to have 100 million vaccine doses by year end.

    what vaccine???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 145 ✭✭Seven Septs


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Nothing....does it need repeating ad infinitum

    Wow you're prickly. I think the poster is acknowledging that these are all individual people, not just statistics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    If Germany are looking at going back into lockdown as numbers start to rise again I don’t think we have any chance of restrictions lifted in the near future. It’s going to be no surprise to anyone the restrictions being lifted. Scary I miss normality

    Germany are not looking at going back into lockdown. 1 model has the R at around 0.9, others lower disagreement between German scientists on the R, too early to see the impact of the relaxation of restrictions either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,161 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    splinter65 wrote: »
    You’re not very likely to die of covid either. Very unlikely in fact. What’s the difference?

    Covid is far more immediately dangerous to a larger proportion of the population. If you contract it and go about your business someone you know will catch it and some people will die. That's a certainty.

    None of those other things you mentioned are certainties and usually you take measures to protect yourself and your loved ones from them too.

    You can't compare the level of risk between Covid and the things you mentioned. They aren't comparable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Hi I'm from Joe.ie, will you help us with our Covid19 quiz Tony?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    hmmm wrote: »
    US aiming to have 100 million vaccine doses by year end.

    Easy enough to say before it even exists


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,802 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Holohan laughing at a reporter who displayed Covid symptoms. Slowly he is becoming like Trump

    Oh give over ffs. What an idiotic statement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,280 ✭✭✭Allinall


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Holohan laughing at a reporter who displayed Covid symptoms. Slowly he is becoming like Trump

    What Covid symptoms did they show?

    I didn’t see or hear any.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Joe.ie are turning into BuzzFeed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 439 ✭✭paddythere


    splinter65 wrote: »
    My point is that everyone has to die, of something eventually. As 98% of people who get covid DONT die of it then I’m starting to wonder why we don’t just get back to normal.

    2% of Ireland's population amounts to about 100,000 dying. And if all these people become sick in a relatively short period of time the hospitals will be overwhelmed and it will become more than 2% since people who would normally survive with some kinda ventilation would be left untreated. How hard is that to understand at this point?...If this thing had a 10% fatality rate and did not affect the elderly any more than the young would you still think we should just get back to normal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    To be honest we're doing ok. Best case scenario is we get new cases down to 100 ISH a day and keep deaths below 20. That's as good as it's going to get until we have an effective anti viral treatment and further down the road a vaccine. It's not going to disappear completely no matter how we lock down. People expecting that are not being realistic.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Joe.ie are turning into BuzzFeed

    Going out of business ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    When was Dr Olohan elected Taoiseach?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Sizable drop in ICU numbers since yesterday according to Tony


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Amd the vasy majority of people will live a great and long life after over coming covid. And its not likely to contract it either.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/opinion/coronavirus-recovery.html
    All of the people talking about how it'll only be 0.9% mortality should consider the following:

    1. 20% of people will be hospitalised.

    2. Many of these will develop Bilateral Interstitial Pneumonia.

    3. Even if you survive this episode the long-term consequences can be devastating. There are many types of interstitial lung disease but mean survivals range from 2.5 to 7 years. Let's be optimistic and assume that with this it is 5 to 10 years.

    Well, reducing the life expectancy of a large number of people in Ireland to 5 to 10 years and having these years be very limited in terms of their ability to do anything active and maybe people will begin to realise that even if we only have a 1% death rate now having a 9% rate of long-term complications from interstitial Lung Disease reducing life expectancy for this cohort to 5 to 10 years would be utterly devastating to the country and really drop average life expectancy for the next couple of decades.

    There's a reason China is doing full lung transplants on survivors already.

    People are just far too blase about this.

    I'm on a "Slack" group (like Discord) with thousands of people who have had this virus and their testimonies are less than encouraging.

    There's a subsection for people 60+ days after testing positive and here's an excerpt.
    What are your remaining symptoms as you approach or pass day 60? I'm on day 57, and seem to have entered into a holding pattern. For the first 3 weeks, things were horrible. For weeks 4-5, things oscillated between horrible and ok. Now in these later weeks, I am feeling ok pretty much all of the time, but there are some nagging symptoms that just will not improve. For me, it's mostly the cough with dry throat and sometimes phlem, a wierd burning (ocassionally stabbing) left chest/rib pain that sometimes radiates down my left arm, and a mild hot 'infectious' feeling that comes mostly at night, sometimes with night sweats, and seems to abate as I get up and moving for the day. The chest pain often improves during the day also, but the cough and throat issues generally stay with me to some extent all day. This pattern has been holding strong for a few weeks now, with little to no signs of improving. The symptoms are here every day, and are generally pretty consistent in severity. I am thankful that the early incapaciating symptoms have largely abated. I still have some fatigue, but nothing like the debilitating kind that I had early on. SOB has essentially gone, along with naseua and GI issues, extreme weakness, insomnia, headache, eye infection, and all of the other stuff that I went through early on. My worry, however, is that my current symptoms have become chronic, and may be something that I have to live with permanently. Chronic COPD is a thing, sometimes arising after a bad infection, and I'm fearful that some cases of Covid may turn into something similar. It almost feels like the virus has established a kind of happy homeostasis within my body, where it isn't really doing a ton of rapid damage anymore, but still enough to cause chronic respiratory problems and really disrupt my life and sense of wellbeing. It feels like somehow the virus has gotten into a small pocket in my left lung where, for whatever reason, my immune system can't eradicate it compltely. Anyone else eperiencing something similar?
    There are thousands and thousands of people saying they first showed symptoms 40+ days ago with very little improvement, coming and going day to day. Additionally a couple I know who lived between London and Paris when the lockdowns began contracted Covid and they're still not over it, one has no more sense of taste or smell and the other gets very bad blood noses and migraines out of nowhere.

    It causes the body to attack its own defence systems and the antibody tests are incredibly unreliable at this point. We don't know how long anyone has immunity for and we don't have enough data to see the long-term effects on people's organs, but what we are seeing is a lot of "mild" cases - in MANY of those instances "mild" seems just to mean that you don't die there and then. What a benchmark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Do you realise the agony people will have if the hospitals become overwhelmed? Death rates, from all cause, will rise when we can't treat all who fall ill. A bit of compassion wouldn't go astray.

    So far our hospitals aren’t anything near capacity never mind overwhelmed.
    UK was so afraid of being overwhelmed they’ve thrown up some monster bedded temporary hospitals which are lying empty even as the curve over there is being flattened very nicely.
    Where are all the patients here that would normally be lying on trolleys lining the corridors of every hospital? Where the hell are they???
    Where are all the injured/wounded that usually fill the A&Es around the country waiting 14/16/18 hours to have their stubbed toe XRayed?
    It’s got nothing to do with compassion. It’s got to do with being realistic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    poppers wrote: »
    what vaccine???
    Whichever one works. They're about to announce that they are spending billions to manufacture vaccines before clinical trials even finish. New York Times story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,093 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Nothing....does it need repeating ad infinitum

    It's just sympathy and respect, I don't see the issue


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,750 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Increase in referrals already since case definition change


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    fullstop wrote: »
    Oh give over ffs. What an idiotic statement.

    I was being sarcastic


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Next person who coughs or sneezes in the briefing room gets sent to Cavan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,517 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Is it just me or is it bonkers silly the CMO every day saying the same thing about restrictions staying or being eased? Same question and answer every fooking day..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Why can't they just provide the figures they need to get to? Why the secret? "As low as possible" well what is that? 1, 5, 200?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    paddythere wrote: »
    2% of Ireland's population amounts to about 100,000 dying. And if all these people become sick in a relatively short period of time the hospitals will be overwhelmed and it will become more than 2% since people who would normally survive with some kinda ventilation would be left untreated. How hard is that to understand at this point?...If this thing had a 10% fatality rate and did not affect the elderly any more than the young would you still think we should just get back to normal?

    My brother and my cousins husband were both very sick with it but didn’t go to hospital. The truth is we don’t know what % would actually need to be hospitalised.
    The very sick and very old who get it don’t need to be hospitalised unless there’s a very good chance that they’ll recover.
    People don’t want to hear that but it’s true.
    They need to be allowed to die in comfort and dignity in familiar surroundings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,117 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    To be honest we're doing ok. Best case scenario is we get new cases down to 100 ISH a day and keep deaths below 20. That's as good as it's going to get until we have an effective anti viral treatment and further down the road a vaccine. It's not going to disappear completely no matter how we lock down. People expecting that are not being realistic.

    You seem to be of the assumption it gets to 100 a day and is going to magically remain around there.

    It's very contagious (average 2 - 2.2 R0 and as high as 5.7 has been observed), more than the seasonal flu.

    Once it goes over 1 it can get out of control very quickly then you have to reimpose restrictions.

    The problem is much deeper than simply saying "it's 100 per day, let's lift restrictions". Nothing has fundamentally changed from when this began that i'm aware of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,124 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I was being sarcastic

    Sure you were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Tony's head is fierce shiny, no wonder these briefings never start on time.


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  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why can't they just provide the figures they need to get to? Why the secret? "As low as possible" well what is that? 1, 5, 200?

    Zero....the only countries to.have emerged from this properly,have managed this


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