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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Beasty · 2020-04-19 21:30:08

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#6752 29-04-2020 09:43AM

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froog wrote: »

I wonder have any of the mask brigade here actually worn one? If they did they would know they are not face fit tight, when you breath your droplets are still going all over the place and it offers little to no protection to you from others.

Unless everyone wears full face fitted respirators which is not practical.

I have worn them. Home made ones. Of course one is not hermetically sealed inside of them but no, the droplets are not "going everywhere" when wearing one. The pattern of expulsion of droplets is completely different. There are videos and pictures available to show the movement of droplet patterns. Now, my wearing one only helps me a little. But if others wear them too it helps me a lot. And vice versa. I also bought a couple of groovy neck gaiters. Might be easier to use.for people who would feel self conscious.

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#6753 29-04-2020 09:47AM

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WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Brave person who clicks on a link to yahoo in this day and age!

wakka12 wrote: »

Update on possible cause of virus
https://consent.yahoo.com/collectConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_78869cd1-90af-4149-a4dd-4a0ed50dabd3&lang=en-IE&inline=false

I was hoping to see actual proof of these women he referred to, not just a photo of some beardy bloke. :mad:

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#6754 29-04-2020 09:48AM

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Blueshoe wrote: »

https://news-sky-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-germanys-rate-of-covid-19-infections-grows-after-lockdown-eased-11980194?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASDAAQE%3D#aoh=15881187958256&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.sky.com%2Fstory%2Fcoronavirus-germanys-rate-of-covid-19-infections-grows-after-lockdown-eased-11980194

Ugh.....yet another boardsie posting an article and then misrepresenting it. A journalist says that Germany faces the prospect of another lockdown. Well, we all do when lockdowns are released and deaths rise. That simply the obvious. There is no official comment in this click bait story saying that (to quote you) “ Germany are looking at another lockdown.”

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#6755 29-04-2020 09:53AM

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The NEPHET lads are obviously trying to do their best and more power to them, but there is undoubtedly a very significant level of 'massaging' going on in respect of delivering the messages.

For example, I think that they would recommend wearing masks in a flash, just as they have in Germany and New York (where it is mandatory) but they need to have at least some supply for the public and they simply don't have it. So, the current message is that the science doesn't back it up, which is probably the most counter intuitive thing you will ever hear about a respiratory disease that is dispersed by aerosol droplets from the mouth and nose, and simply doesn't make sense.

The other thing that seems striking is the fact that over half of the mortality is occurring in nursing homes. How can the lockdown have any effect whatsoever in protecting those residents?

20-30% of people will not get this. Of the 70-80% of people who do get it, over 80% of them will have a mild illness (and a significant fraction of those may have no symptoms at all). If these facts are uncontroversial it 's hard to see how it can be logical (let alone proportional) to lock everyone down.

Can someone, perhaps better informed, say if I'm missing something here in this admittedly simple analysis???

I get the argument that the government need more time to prepare to a surge but that surge has not occurred and the can has only been kicked down the road. Meanwhile, people are running out money and the lockdown itself is causing significant mortality in the shape of deferred life saving treatments, suicide and people not attending hospitals with heart attacks and strokes etc.

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#6756 29-04-2020 09:53AM

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hmmm wrote: »

Once the mask hysteria is finished, and the virus is still here, they'll move on to something else to blame. Perhaps thermometers everywhere.

I'm glad the government is still taking medical advice, and is not just being driven by populism.

The same government that still has no health checks on ports, the same government that has no quarantine protocol, the same government that dragged its heels over the lockdown and Paddy's Day in the first place, that took a few weeks to give Gardai any authority to impose it, the same government that had one of its top experts stating asymptomatic transmission was of no risk a month after the WHO stated it was and anyone with a working braincell and search engine knew it was, the same government that oversaw a shambles in testing and mediocre contact tracing? That government?

froog wrote: »

I wonder have any of the mask brigade here actually worn one? If they did they would know they are not face fit tight, when you breath your droplets are still going all over the place and it offers little to no protection to you from others.

Unless everyone wears full face fitted respirators which is not practical.

Quite a few inaccuracies in that post. You're understandably falling into the usual trap of thinking about self protection. Infection source control is the real factor. By wearing one, you reduce the number of potentially infectious droplets into the environment and how far they travel. There's a very good Japanese study into the difference between wearing and not wearing one, even a basic not air tight mask. Here it is, it won't embed the vid the usual way

Here's a frame from the above that illustrates the difference.

Which person would you prefer to be standing in front of?

Asymptomatic spread is the big problem. People are infectious before they become obviously ill to themselves and others. It's one reason why this virus spreads far more easily than say ebola. With the latter you become infectious after you are obviously sick, so people will tend to avoid you and self quarantine is more effective.

Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.

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#6757 29-04-2020 09:54AM

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Russia reports 105 new deaths, highest for the country so far and nearly 6,000 new cases

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#6758 29-04-2020 09:58AM

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Deleted User wrote: »

Ugh.....yet another boardsie posting an article and then misrepresenting it. A journalist says that Germany faces the prospect of another lockdown. Well, we all do when lockdowns are released and deaths rise. That simply the obvious. There is no official comment in this click bait story saying that (to quote you) “ Germany are looking at another lockdown.”

Definitely correct to say that there was nothing in that ridiculous article to suggest Germany are looking at another lockdown. But there was a paragraph in it, pure click bait, saying they faced the prospect of having to.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

It's a bit click baity. The article opens up with "Germany faces the prospect of having to restore stricter lockdown measures as its number and rate of coronavirus infections grew again."

But the article doesn't provide backup for the statement or provide any suggestion of that by their authorities. Not saying they won't, but the article doesn't back up it's opening statement.

The Express 'newspaper' has a similar article, and references the SKY correspondent OPINION as the source!:

"Germany may need to bring back lockdown as infection rate spikes by a THIRD:

Angela Merkel may be forced to reconsider her plans to ease coronavirus lockdown measures across Germany after the reopening of some shops was followed by a spike in the infection rate. Germany last week allowed shops up to 800 sq m to open up and German Education Ministers on Tuesday agreed to gradually bring students back to school on a rotating basis. But Sky News Brussels correspondent Michelle Clifford suggested Chancellor Merkel will have to revise her plans to avoid a resurgence of the virus."

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#6759 29-04-2020 10:03AM

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Was off line the last few days due to broadband issues, so what did I miss?

Ireland Coronavirus Statistics - Days 59 & 60 –Monday & Tuesday 27 & 28/04/2020
All data is cumulative and based on the date of official reporting

Day
|
Date
|
Cases
|
New Cases
|
Total Cases
|
Case Increase
|
Reporting Increase
|
Confirmed Deaths
|
New Probable Deaths
|
Total Deaths
|
Deaths daily increase
|
CFR
|
New Hosp
|
Total Hosp
|
Hosp %
|
Hosp daily increase
|
New ICU
|
Total ICU
|
ICU %
|
ICU daily increase
|
Recovered**
|
Recovery %
|
Population
| Active Cases***

1
|
29/02/2020
|
0
|
1
|
1
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 1

2
|
01/03/2020
|
1
|
0
|
1
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 1

3
|
02/03/2020
|
1
|
0
|
1
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 1

4
|
03/03/2020
|
1
|
1
|
2
|
100%
|
0%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 2

5
|
04/03/2020
|
2
|
4
|
6
|
200%
|
300%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 6

6
|
05/03/2020
|
6
|
7
|
13
|
117%
|
75%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 13

7
|
06/03/2020
|
13
|
5
|
18
|
38%
|
-29%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 18

8
|
07/03/2020
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18
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1
|
19
|
6%
|
-80%
|
0
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N/A
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0
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N/A
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N/A
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NR
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NR
|
NR
|
N/A
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NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 19

9
|
08/03/2020
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19
|
2
|
21
|
11%
|
100%
|
0
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N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 21

10
|
09/03/2020
|
21
|
3
|
24
|
14%
|
50%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.000%
| 24

11
|
10/03/2020
|
24
|
10
|
34
|
42%
|
233%
|
0
|
N/A
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.001%
| 34

12
|
11/03/2020
|
34
|
9
|
43
|
26%
|
-10%
|
1
|
N/A
|
1
|
N/A
|
2.3%
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.001%
| 42

13
|
12/03/2020
|
43
|
27
|
70
|
63%
|
200%
|
0
|
N/A
|
1
|
0%
|
1.4%
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.001%
| 69

14
|
13/03/2020
|
70
|
20
|
90
|
29%
|
-26%
|
0
|
N/A
|
1
|
0%
|
1.1%
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.002%
| 89

15
|
14/03/2020
|
90
|
39
|
129
|
43%
|
95%
|
1
|
N/A
|
2
|
100%
|
1.6%
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.003%
| 127

16
|
15/03/2020
|
129
|
40
|
169
|
31%
|
3%
|
0
|
N/A
|
2
|
0%
|
1.2%
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
NR
|
N/A
|
NR
|
NR
|
0.003%
| 167

17
|
16/03/2020
|
169
|
54
|
223
|
32%
|
35%
|
0
|
N/A
|
2
|
0%
|
0.9%
|
84
|
84
|
38%
|
N/A
|
84
|
6
|
3%
|
N/A
|
5
|
2%
|
0.005%
| 216

18
|
17/03/2020
|
223
|
69
|
292
|
31%
|
28%
|
0
|
N/A
|
2
|
0%
|
0.7%
|
24
|
108
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37%
|
29%
|
1
|
7
|
2%
|
17%
|
5
|
2%
|
0.006%
| 285

19
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18/03/2020
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292
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74
|
366
|
25%
|
7%
|
0
|
N/A
|
2
|
0%
|
0.5%
|
32
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140
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38%
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30%
|
5
|
12
|
3%
|
71%
|
5
|
1%
|
0.007%
| 359

20
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19/03/2020
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366
|
191
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557
|
52%
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158%
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1
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N/A
|
3
|
50%
|
0.5%
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33
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173
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31%
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24%
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1
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13
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2%
|
8%
|
5
|
1%
|
0.011%
| 549

21
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20/03/2020
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557
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126
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683
|
23%
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-34%
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0
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N/A
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3
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0%
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0.4%
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38
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211
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31%
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22%
|
4
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17
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2%
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31%
|
5
|
1%
|
0.014%
| 675

22
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21/03/2020
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683
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102
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785
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15%
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-19%
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0
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N/A
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3
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33%
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0.4%
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28
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239
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30%
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13%
|
8
|
25
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3%
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47%
|
5
|
1%
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0.016%
| 777

23
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22/03/2020
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785
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121
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906
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15%
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19%
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1
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N/A
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4
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33%
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0.4%
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38
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277
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31%
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16%
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11
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36
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4%
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44%
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5
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1%
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0.018%
| 897

24
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23/03/2020
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906
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219
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1125
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24%
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81%
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2
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N/A
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6
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50%
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0.5%
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28
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305
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27%
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3
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39
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3%
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8%
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5
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0%
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0.023%
| 1114

25
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24/03/2020
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1125
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204
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1329
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1
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N/A
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7
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0.5%
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340
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8
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47
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5
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0.027%
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1564
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26/03/2020
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N/A
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19
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0.037%
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27/03/2020
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|
424
|
4273
|
11%
|
5%
|
22
|
N/A
|
120
|
22%
|
2.8%
|
85
|
1203
|
28%
|
8%
|
7
|
165
|
4%
|
4%
|
25
|
1%
|
0.087%
| 4128

36
|
04/04/2020
|
4273
|
331
|
4604
|
8%
|
-22%
|
17
|
N/A
|
137
|
14%
|
3.0%
|
62
|
1265
|
27%
|
5%
|
4
|
169
|
4%
|
2%
|
25
|
1%
|
0.094%
| 4442

37
|
05/04/2020
|
4604
|
390
|
4994
|
8%
|
18%
|
21
|
N/A
|
158
|
15%
|
3.2%
|
80
|
1345
|
27%
|
6%
|
25
|
194
|
4%
|
15%
|
25
|
1%
|
0.101%
| 4811

38
|
06/04/2020
|
4994
|
370
|
5364
|
7%
|
-5%
|
16
|
N/A
|
174
|
10%
|
3.2%
|
127
|
1472
|
27%
|
9%
|
30
|
224
|
4%
|
15%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.109%
| 5165

39
|
07/04/2020
|
5364
|
345
|
5709
|
6%
|
-7%
|
36
|
N/A
|
210
|
21%
|
3.7%
|
49
|
1521
|
27%
|
3%
|
6
|
230
|
4%
|
3%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.116%
| 5474

40
|
08/04/2020
|
5709
|
365
|
6074
|
6%
|
6%
|
25
|
N/A
|
235
|
12%
|
3.9%
|
110
|
1631
|
27%
|
7%
|
14
|
244
|
4%
|
6%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.123%
| 5814

41
|
09/04/2020
|
6074
|
500
|
6574
|
8%
|
37%
|
28
|
N/A
|
263
|
12%
|
4.0%
|
87
|
1718
|
26%
|
5%
|
9
|
253
|
4%
|
4%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.134%
| 6286

42* ~
|
10/04/2020
|
6574
|
1515
|
8089
|
23%
|
203%
|
25
|
N/A
|
287
|
9%
|
4.0%
|
59
|
1777
|
22%
|
3%
|
8
|
261
|
3%
|
3%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.164%
| 7777

43*
|
11/04/2020
|
8089
|
839
|
8928
|
10%
|
-45%
|
33
|
N/A
|
320
|
11%
|
3.6%
|
72
|
1849
|
21%
|
4%
|
7
|
268
|
3%
|
3%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.181%
| 8583

44*
|
12/04/2020
|
8928
|
727
|
9655
|
8%
|
-13%
|
14
|
N/A
|
334
|
4%
|
3.5%
|
54
|
1903
|
20%
|
3%
|
7
|
275
|
3%
|
3%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.196%
| 9296

45*
|
13/04/2020
|
9655
|
992
|
10647
|
10%
|
36%
|
31
|
N/A
|
365
|
9%
|
3.4%
|
65
|
1968
|
18%
|
3%
|
5
|
280
|
3%
|
2%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.216%
| 10257

46*
|
14/04/2020
|
10647
|
832
|
11479
|
8%
|
-16%
|
41
|
N/A
|
406
|
11%
|
3.5%
|
58
|
2026
|
18%
|
3%
|
4
|
284
|
2%
|
1%
|
25
|
0%
|
0.233%
| 11048

47*
|
15/04/2020
|
11479
|
1068
|
12547
|
9%
|
28%
|
38
|
N/A
|
444
|
9%
|
3.5%
|
56
|
2082
|
17%
|
3%
|
10
|
294
|
2%
|
4%
|
77
|
1%
|
0.255%
| 12026

48 * ~
|
16/04/2020
|
12547
|
724
|
13271
|
6%
|
-32%
|
43
|
N/A
|
486
|
9%
|
3.7%
|
86
|
2168
|
16%
|
4%
|
2
|
296
|
2%
|
1%
|
77
|
1%
|
0.270%
| 12708

49*
|
17/04/2020
|
13271
|
709
|
13980
|
5%
|
-2%
|
44
|
N/A
|
530
|
9%
|
3.8%
|
55
|
2223
|
16%
|
3%
|
7
|
303
|
2%
|
2%
|
77
|
1%
|
0.284%
| 13373

50*
|
18/04/2020
|
13980
|
778
|
14758
|
6%
|
10%
|
41
|
N/A
|
571
|
8%
|
3.9%
|
49
|
2272
|
15%
|
2%
|
3
|
306
|
2%
|
1%
|
77
|
1%
|
0.300%
| 14110

51*
|
19/04/2020
|
14758
|
493
|
15251
|
3%
|
-37%
|
39
|
N/A
|
610
|
7%
|
4.0%
|
51
|
2323
|
15%
|
2%
|
9
|
315
|
2%
|
3%
|
77
|
1%
|
0.310%
| 14564

52
|
20/04/2020
|
15251
|
401
|
15652
|
3%
|
-19%
|
77
|
N/A
|
687
|
13%
|
4.4%
|
64
|
2387
|
15%
|
3%
|
7
|
322
|
2%
|
2%
|
77
|
0%
|
0.318%
| 14888

53 ~
|
21/04/2020
|
15652
|
388
|
16040
|
2%
|
-3%
|
44
|
N/A
|
730
|
6%
|
4.6%
|
37
|
2424
|
15%
|
2%
|
9
|
331
|
2%
|
3%
|
9233
|
58%
|
0.326%
| 6077

54 ~
|
22/04/2020
|
16040
|
631
|
16671
|
4%
|
63%
|
49
|
N/A
|
769
|
5%
|
4.6%
|
62
|
2486
|
15%
|
3%
|
7
|
338
|
2%
|
2%
|
9233
|
55%
|
0.339%
| 6669

55 ~
|
23/04/2020
|
16671
|
936
|
17607
|
6%
|
48%
|
28
|
N/A
|
794
|
3%
|
4.5%
|
50
|
2536
|
14%
|
2%
|
6
|
344
|
2%
|
2%
|
9233
|
52%
|
0.358%
| 7580

56 ~
|
24/04/2020
|
17607
|
577
|
18184
|
3%
|
-38%
|
37
|
185
|
1014
|
28%
|
5.6%
|
40
|
2576
|
14%
|
2%
|
5
|
349
|
2%
|
1%
|
9233
|
51%
|
0.369%
| 7937

57 ~
|
25/04/2020
|
18184
|
377
|
18561
|
2%
|
-35%
|
42
|
10
|
1063
|
5%
|
5.7%
|
49
|
2625
|
14%
|
2%
|
4
|
353
|
2%
|
1%
|
9233
|
50%
|
0.377%
| 8265

58 ~
|
26/04/2020
|
18561
|
701
|
19262
|
4%
|
86%
|
23
|
3
|
1087
|
2%
|
5.6%
|
11
|
2636
|
14%
|
0%
|
5
|
358
|
2%
|
1%
|
9233
|
48%
|
0.391%
| 8942

59 ~
|
27/04/2020
|
19262
|
386
|
19648
|
2%
|
-45%
|
17
|
1
|
1102
|
1%
|
5.6%
|
0
|
2636
|
13%
|
0%
|
0
|
358
|
2%
|
0%
|
9233
|
47%
|
0.399%
| 9313

60 ~
|
28/04/2020
|
19648
|
229
|
19877
|
1%
|
-41%
|
45
|
14
|
1159
|
5%
|
5.8%
|
0
|
2636
|
13%
|
0%
|
0
|
358
|
2%
|
0%
|
9233
|
46%
|
0.404%
| 9485

CFR = Case fatality rate
NR = Not reported

Source: Department of Health, the Health Protection Surveillance Centre and the HSE.

NOTES: -
* Daily increase numbers on these dates represent both new cases and older cases reported from Germany which results in skewed daily % increases and average case reporting % changes, numbers are broken down as:-
Day|Date|New Irish Cases|German Cases
42|10/04/20|480|1035
43|11/04/20|553|286
44|12/04/20|430|297
45|13/04/20| 527|465
46|14/04/20|548|284
47|15/04/20|657|411
48|16/04/20|629|95
49|17/04/20|597|112
50|18/04/20|630|148
51|19/04/20|445|48

~ Denotification of deaths:-
10/04/20 – 1
16/04/20 – 1
21/04/20 – 1
22/04/20 – 10
23/04/20 – 3
24/04/20 – 2
25/04/20 – 3
26/04/20 – 2
27/04/20 – 3
28/04/20 – 2

** "Recovered" rates are not reported by the Department of Health in the above link, these figures are taken from the Worldmeters and Johns Hopkins websites which use data supplied by the DoT to the ECDC under the WHO Guidelines for reporting.

Recovered statistics are only be published as "recovered" following two successful tests of being clear of the virus under the WHO reporting guidelines, as a result it is likely the recovered data is skewed. Updated on 15/04/20 - The WHO reporting criteria has been changed recently to eliminate the 2 test requirement before reporting as recovered, now an outcome report is sent within one month of initial notification or when an outcome is known, the available health outcomes are either “recovered/healthy”, “not recovered", “death", “unknown" or “other", weather this helps create more accurate recovery numbers or skews them further is yet to be seen.

*** Due to the above issue with reporting of recovered cases the number of active cases is also likely skewed.

**** From 24/04/20 probable deaths are included in the official death figures, this is to comply with the WHO definition of COVID-19 deaths issued on the 16th and adopted in Europe by the ECDC yesterday, this is in compliance with what is known as the International Statistical Classification of Diseases known as the ICD-10, as a result a new column has been added into the charts to separate confirmed and suspected COVID-19 deaths – see this post for an explanation on this change. As a result of this change in reporting the CFR is skewed as a corresponding number of cumulative case numbers is not currently part of the official records.

Case increase averages:-

Day
| Date | ▲Day 1 | ▲10 Days | ▲7 days | ▲3 Days | ■ Day 1 | ■ 10 Days | ■ 7 Days | ■ 3 days

1
| 29/02/2020 | 0.0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A

2
| 01/03/2020 | 0.0% | N/A | N/A | N/A | 0% | N/A | N/A | N/A

3
| 02/03/2020 | 0.0% | N/A | N/A | 0% | 0% | N/A | N/A | 0%

4
| 03/03/2020 | 25.0% | N/A | N/A | 33% | 0% | N/A | N/A | 0%

5
| 04/03/2020 | 60.0% | N/A | N/A | 100% | 60% | N/A | N/A | 100%

6
| 05/03/2020 | 69.4% | N/A | N/A | 139% | 63% | N/A | N/A | 125%

7
| 06/03/2020 | 65.0% | N/A | 65% | 118% | 49% | N/A | 49% | 115%

8
| 07/03/2020 | 57.6% | N/A | 66% | 54% | 33% | N/A | 38% | -11%

9
| 08/03/2020 | 52.4% | N/A | 67% | 18% | 41% | N/A | 52% | -3%

10
| 09/03/2020 | 49% | 49% | 69% | 10% | 42% | 42% | 59% | 23%

11
| 10/03/2020 | 48% | 53% | 61% | 22% | 59% | 65% | 93% | 128%

12
| 11/03/2020 | 46% | 55% | 36% | 27% | 53% | 64% | 49% | 91%

13
| 12/03/2020 | 47% | 62% | 29% | 44% | 65% | 84% | 66% | 141%

14
| 13/03/2020 | 46% | 54% | 27% | 39% | 58% | 81% | 67% | 55%

15
| 14/03/2020 | 46% | 39% | 33% | 45% | 61% | 61% | 92% | 90%

16
| 15/03/2020 | 45% | 30% | 35% | 34% | 57% | 54% | 78% | 24%

17
| 16/03/2020 | 44% | 30% | 38% | 35% | 56% | 60% | 76% | 44%

18
| 17/03/2020 | 43% | 32% | 36% | 31% | 54% | 71% | 46% | 22%

19
| 18/03/2020 | 43% | 34% | 36% | 29% | 52% | 61% | 49% | 23%

20
| 19/03/2020 | 43% | 37% | 35% | 36% | 57% | 72% | 43% | 64%

21
| 20/03/2020 | 42% | 36% | 34% | 33% | 53% | 46% | 42% | 44%

22
| 21/03/2020 | 41% | 34% | 30% | 30% | 49% | 45% | 25% | 35%

23
| 22/03/2020 | 40% | 30% | 28% | 18% | 48% | 27% | 28% | -11%

24
| 23/03/2020 | 39% | 29% | 27% | 18% | 49% | 37% | 34% | 27%

25
| 24/03/2020 | 38% | 27% | 25% | 19% | 47% | 27% | 29% | 31%

26
| 25/03/2020 | 37% | 25% | 24% | 20% | 46% | 28% | 30% | 30%

27
| 26/03/2020 | 37% | 24% | 18% | 17% | 45% | 26% | 9% | 6%

28
| 27/03/2020 | 36% | 22% | 18% | 17% | 44% | 25% | 17% | 14%

29
| 28/03/2020 | 35% | 21% | 17% | 16% | 42% | 24% | 19% | 8%

30
| 29/03/2020 | 34% | 17% | 16% | 13% | 40% | 5% | 12% | -5%

31
| 30/03/2020 | 34% | 16% | 15% | 11% | 40% | 13% | 7% | 4%

32
| 31/03/2020 | 33% | 15% | 14% | 10% | 39% | 16% | 9% | 9%

33
| 01/04/2020 | 32% | 14% | 12% | 10% | 37% | 10% | 2% | 8%

34
| 02/04/2020 | 31% | 13% | 11% | 10% | 38% | 11% | 14% | 22%

35
| 03/04/2020 | 31% | 12% | 11% | 10% | 37% | 13% | 12% | 20%

36
| 04/04/2020 | 30% | 11% | 10% | 10% | 36% | 9% | 9% | 24%

37
| 05/04/2020 | 30% | 11% | 10% | 9% | 35% | 10% | 16% | 0%

38
| 06/04/2020 | 29% | 10% | 9% | 8% | 34% | 7% | 9% | -3%

39
| 07/04/2020 | 28% | 9% | 8% | 7% | 33% | 7% | 6% | 2%

40
| 08/04/2020 | 28% | 9% | 8% | 7% | 32% | 11% | 12% | -2%

41
| 09/04/2020 | 27% | 9% | 8% | 7% | 32% | 10% | 5% | 12%

42
| 10/04/2020 | 27% | 10% | 10% | 13% | 37% | 29% | 33% | 82%

43
| 11/04/2020 | 27% | 10% | 10% | 14% | 35% | 28% | 30% | 65%

44
| 12/04/2020 | 26% | 10% | 10% | 14% | 34% | 18% | 25% | 48%

45
| 13/04/2020 | 26% | 10% | 10% | 10% | 34% | 21% | 31% | -7%

46
| 14/04/2020 | 26% | 10% | 11% | 9% | 33% | 21% | 30% | 2%

47
| 15/04/2020 | 25% | 10% | 11% | 9% | 32% | 22% | 33% | 16%

48
| 16/04/2020 | 25% | 10% | 11% | 8% | 31% | 20% | 23% | -7%

49
| 17/04/2020 | 25% | 9% | 8% | 7% | 30% | 20% | -6% | -2%

50
| 18/04/2020 | 24% | 9% | 7% | 6% | 30% | 21% | 2% | -8%

51
| 19/04/2020 | 24% | 9% | 7% | 5% | 29% | 13% | -2% | -10%

52
| 20/04/2020 | 23% | 7% | 6% | 4% | 28% | -9% | -10% | -15%

53
| 21/04/2020 | 23% | 6% | 5% | 3% | 27% | -5% | -8% | -20%

54
| 22/04/2020 | 23% | 6% | 4% | 3% | 28% | 3% | -3% | 14%

55
| 23/04/2020 | 22% | 5% | 4% | 4% | 28% | 4% | 9% | 36%

56
| 24/04/2020 | 22% | 5% | 4% | 4% | 27% | 2% | 3% | 24%

57
| 25/04/2020 | 22% | 4% | 3% | 4% | 26% | -5% | -3% | -8%

58
| 26/04/2020 | 21% | 4% | 3% | 3% | 27% | 7% | 15% | 4%

59
| 27/04/2020 | 21% | 3% | 3% | 3% | 26% | 3% | 11% | 2%

60
| 28/04/2020 | 21% | 3% | 3% | 2% | 25% | -2% | 5% | 0%

▲ = Daily case increase averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1
■ = Daily case reporting change averaged over the past 10, 7 and 3 days and from day 1

Northern Ireland Statistics:-

Day
|
Date
|
Cases
|
New Cases
|
Total Cases
|
Case Increase
|
Reporting Increase
|
New Deaths
|
Total Deaths
|
% Increase
|
CFR
| Population %

1
|
29/02/2020
|
0
|
1
|
1
|
N/A
|
N/A
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

2
|
01/03/2020
|
1
|
0
|
1
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

3
|
02/03/2020
|
1
|
0
|
1
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

4
|
03/03/2020
|
1
|
0
|
1
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

5
|
04/03/2020
|
1
|
2
|
3
|
200%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

6
|
05/03/2020
|
3
|
0
|
3
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

7
|
06/03/2020
|
3
|
1
|
4
|
33%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

8
|
07/03/2020
|
4
|
3
|
7
|
75%
|
200%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.000%

9
|
08/03/2020
|
7
|
5
|
12
|
71%
|
67%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.001%

10
|
09/03/2020
|
12
|
0
|
12
|
0%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.001%

11
|
10/03/2020
|
12
|
4
|
16
|
33%
|
0%
|
0
|
0
|
N/A
|
N/A
| 0.001%

12
|
11/03/2020
|
16
|
2
|
18
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13%
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-50%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
| 0.001%

13
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12/03/2020
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18
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2
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20
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11%
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0%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
| 0.001%

14
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13/03/2020
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20
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9
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29
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45%
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350%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
| 0.002%

15
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14/03/2020
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29
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5
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34
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17%
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-44%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
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16
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15/03/2020
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34
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11
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45
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32%
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120%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
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17
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16/03/2020
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45
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7
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52
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16%
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-36%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
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18
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17/03/2020
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52
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10
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62
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19%
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43%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
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19
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18/03/2020
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62
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6
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68
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10%
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-40%
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0
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0
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N/A
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N/A
| 0.004%

20
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19/03/2020
|
68
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9
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77
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13%
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50%
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1
|
1
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N/A
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1.3%
| 0.004%

21
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20/03/2020
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77
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9
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86
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12%
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0%
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0
|
1
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100%
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1.2%
| 0.005%

22
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21/03/2020
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86
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22
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108
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26%
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144%
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0
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1
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100%
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0.9%
| 0.006%

23
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22/03/2020
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108
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20
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128
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19%
|
-9%
|
1
|
2
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100%
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1.6%
| 0.007%

24
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23/03/2020
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128
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20
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148
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16%
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0%
|
1
|
3
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50%
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2.0%
| 0.008%

25
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24/03/2020
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148
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24
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172
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16%
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20%
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2
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5
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67%
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2.9%
| 0.009%

26
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25/03/2020
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172
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37
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209
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22%
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54%
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2
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7
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40%
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3.3%
| 0.011%

27
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26/03/2020
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209
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32
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241
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15%
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-14%
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3
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10
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43%
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4.1%
| 0.013%

28
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27/03/2020
|
241
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34
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275
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14%
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6%
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3
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13
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30%
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4.7%
| 0.014%

29
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28/03/2020
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275
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49
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324
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18%
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44%
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2
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15
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15%
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4.6%
| 0.017%

30
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29/03/2020
|
324
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86
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410
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27%
|
76%
|
6
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21
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40%
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5.1%
| 0.021%

31
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30/03/2020
|
410
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123
|
533
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30%
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43%
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1
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22
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5%
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4.1%
| 0.028%

32
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31/03/2020
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533
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53
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586
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10%
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-57%
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6
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28
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27%
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4.8%
| 0.031%

33
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01/04/2020
|
586
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103
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689
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18%
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94%
|
2
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30
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7%
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4.4%
| 0.036%

34
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02/04/2020
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689
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85
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774
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12%
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-17%
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6
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36
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20%
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4.7%
| 0.041%

35
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03/04/2020
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774
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130
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904
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17%
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53%
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12
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48
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33%
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5.3%
| 0.047%

36
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04/04/2020
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904
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94
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998
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10%
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-28%
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8
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56
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17%
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5.6%
| 0.052%

37
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05/04/2020
|
998
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91
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1089
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9%
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-3%
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7
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63
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13%
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5.8%
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38
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06/04/2020
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1089
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69
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1158
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6%
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-24%
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7
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70
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11%
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6.0%
| 0.061%

39
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07/04/2020
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1158
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97
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1255
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8%
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41%
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3
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73
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4%
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5.8%
| 0.066%

40
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08/04/2020
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1255
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84
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1339
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7%
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-13%
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5
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78
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7%
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5.8%
| 0.070%

41
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09/04/2020
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1339
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138
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1477
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10%
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64%
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4
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82
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5%
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5.6%
| 0.077%

42
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10/04/2020
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1477
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112
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1589
|
8%
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-19%
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10
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92
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12%
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5.8%
| 0.083%

43
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11/04/2020
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1589
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128
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1717
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8%
|
14%
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15
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107
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16%
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6.2%
| 0.090%

44
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12/04/2020
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1717
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89
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1806

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#6760 29-04-2020 10:07AM

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froog wrote: »

I wonder have any of the mask brigade here actually worn one? If they did they would know they are not face fit tight, when you breath your droplets are still going all over the place and it offers little to no protection to you from others.

Unless everyone wears full face fitted respirators which is not practical.

You are talking through your hoop.

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#6761 29-04-2020 10:09AM

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Government was told yesterday that the department of social protection and department of business are both out of budget in June, the whole budget for the year gone. Now I'm sure some people on here will say they can just borrow, yes they can borrow but they cant borrow indefinitely, we've already borrowed and its unsustainable going forward.
Given the minister for finance was yesterday urging for more business to be allowed to reopen there is now quite clearly a point where dept of finance says economy must be allowed to reopen. Minster for finances press conference was pretty bleak I just get the feeling its alot more bleaker than he said at the time.

It mirrors what the frence prime minister said yesterday, they were starting to relax restrictions to get back to some normality in order to save the economy from ruin.

People dont seem to get that a tanking economy = less public health funding which impacts the health service ability to fight the virus

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#6762 29-04-2020 10:12AM

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https://twitter.com/RCarrollTV/status/1255422742263988224?s=19

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#6763 29-04-2020 10:17AM

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Government was told yesterday that the department of social protection and department of business are both out of budget in June, the whole budget for the year gone. Now I'm sure some people on here will say they can just borrow, yes they can borrow but they cant borrow indefinitely, we've already borrowed and its unsustainable going forward.
Given the minister for finance was yesterday urging for more business to be allowed to reopen there is now quite clearly a point where dept of finance says economy must be allowed to reopen. Minster for finances press conference was pretty bleak I just get the feeling its alot more bleaker than he said at the time.

It mirrors what the frence prime minister said yesterday, they were starting to relax restrictions to get back to some normality in order to save the economy from ruin.

People dont seem to get that a tanking economy = less public health funding which impacts the health service ability to fight the virus

Yep. I am hearing that it was Coveney that was arguing strongly in favour of opening up the economy. His point is that the health system will be impacted even more if we do not get the economy moving again.

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#6764 29-04-2020 10:18AM

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Snow Garden wrote: »

It's shocking to see rain.

It is, this must be one of the longest periods without rain in Dublin for a very very long time?

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#6765 29-04-2020 10:20AM

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

People dont seem to get that a tanking economy = less public health funding which impacts the health service ability to fight the virus

Its the economy or lives its as simple as that when it comes down to it, pulling the trigger to soon and cases spike and over runs the health system and it doesn't matter what funding is available that happens and were in a far worse position.

But loosening restrictions to see what happens only to go back into some form of lockdown when cases spike and they will would be far more damaging then what were doing now.

Shin

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#6766 29-04-2020 10:25AM

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wakka12 wrote: »

Update on possible cause of virus
https://consent.yahoo.com/collectConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_78869cd1-90af-4149-a4dd-4a0ed50dabd3&lang=en-IE&inline=false

Just jealousy that they will have better vit D levels!

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#6767 29-04-2020 10:29AM

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shinzon wrote: »

Its the economy or lives its as simple as that when it comes down to it, pulling the trigger to soon and cases spike and over runs the health system and it doesn't matter what funding is available that happens and were in a far worse position.

But loosening restrictions to see what happens only to go back into some form of lockdown when cases spike and they will would be far more damaging then what were doing now.

Shin

That's just simplistic waffle to be brutally honest. Easy to say but essentially adds nothing.

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#6768 29-04-2020 10:31AM

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Deleted User wrote: »

The standard way, divided yesterday by today

Thanks.

The Imperial College models have us at a much higher transmission rate. Nolan has us much lower.

https://mrc-ide.github.io/covid19-short-term-forecasts/index.html

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#6769 29-04-2020 10:33AM

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Ger Roe wrote: »

Maybe if we seeded the clouds with liquid soap, it would break down the virus and wash it away?. Anyone got Donald Trump's number?

Brilliant idea. Added benefit would be to trap greenhouse gases.

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#6770 29-04-2020 10:36AM

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Snow Garden wrote: »

That's just simplistic waffle to be brutally honest. Easy to say but essentially adds nothing.

Agreed. We need something more targeted than shutting down the entire economy to protect categories such as those in nursing homes.
We are almost in full lockdown now and still nursing homes are not given the resources they need as shown on last nights Prime Time.
What is the point of locking everyone down if you can't even protect nursing homes during that lockdown. A more targetted approach is needed.

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#6771 29-04-2020 10:37AM

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Government was told yesterday that the department of social protection and department of business are both out of budget in June, the whole budget for the year gone. Now I'm sure some people on here will say they can just borrow, yes they can borrow but they cant borrow indefinitely, we've already borrowed and its unsustainable going forward.

Stop paying the €350 to those that were working for less.

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#6772 29-04-2020 10:39AM

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Wombatman wrote: »

Thanks.

The Imperial College models have us at a much higher transmission rate. Nolan has us much lower.

https://mrc-ide.github.io/covid19-short-term-forecasts/index.html

So we have a higher R0 than Sweden who are largely going down the herd immunity route. I'm guessing that's because of the traditional low level of occupancy in Swedish households.

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#6773 29-04-2020 10:41AM

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Deleted User wrote: »

The standard way, divided yesterday by today

So your R value can never go below 1?

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#6774 29-04-2020 10:45AM

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Downlinz wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/face-masks-ireland-5086682-Apr2020/

It's telling that in finally acknowledging the importance of facemasks Holohan adds: "If we were to introduce such a measure, we would have to be very clear that we want to protect healthcare grade masks of all kinds for use in healthcare settings"

It was obvious from the beginning that masks would be helpful for anyone to reduce the risk of inhaling infected droplets but he and the hse downplayed and even lied to prevent a rush on supplies from the public that would endanger healthcare workers. An understandable concern but deeply worrying that they would just outright lie to the public like that.
I've generally been supportive of the HSE direction throughout this but they dropped the ball for their position on masks in a major way and their crawl down is happening slowly as well compared to the rest of the world where masks were integrated weeks ago.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html
example: "Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick."

How many lives could have been saved if they protected healthcare grade masks in February and told the general public to wear cotton or homemade masks? It'll be a battle now to even get the Irish public to wear them since many still believe the lies that they don't do anything to prevent you from contracting covid.

Glad to see the HSE have niw added sogns of a stroke or heart attack to that page. I dont remember seeing them early on.

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#6775 29-04-2020 10:47AM

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Wombatman wrote: »

So your R value can never go below 1?

Should be dividing today by yesterday!

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#6776 29-04-2020 10:52AM

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stephenjmcd wrote: »

Government was told yesterday that the department of social protection and department of business are both out of budget in June, the whole budget for the year gone. Now I'm sure some people on here will say they can just borrow, yes they can borrow but they cant borrow indefinitely, we've already borrowed and its unsustainable going forward.
Given the minister for finance was yesterday urging for more business to be allowed to reopen there is now quite clearly a point where dept of finance says economy must be allowed to reopen. Minster for finances press conference was pretty bleak I just get the feeling its alot more bleaker than he said at the time.

It mirrors what the frence prime minister said yesterday, they were starting to relax restrictions to get back to some normality in order to save the economy from ruin.

People dont seem to get that a tanking economy = less public health funding which impacts the health service ability to fight the virus

Its not actually true to say that a tanking economy means less public health funding.The ability to borrow at very low rates means fighting the virus will not suffer from lack of funds.

However with vast amounts of money being pumped into economies the prospect of inflation is very real.With any sustained period of inflation comes the prospect of increased borrowing costs which obviously would have a massive impact on us because of our very large level of public debt going into this crisis.

On a more general note I think it's fairly obvious what the strategy of NPHET is.The want to get the R0 well below 1 and then closely monitor the effect on the R0 of any easing.The need wriggle room in case the increase is more than anticipated.They will definitely err on the side of caution as the tools which got the R0 below 1 might not be as effective second time round.

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#6777 29-04-2020 10:53AM

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Need to have emergency chiropractic session and will have to drive quite a distance. Worth notifying my local Garda station before hand?

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#6778 29-04-2020 10:53AM

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tobefrank321 wrote: »

Agreed. We need something more targeted than shutting down the entire economy to protect categories such as those in nursing homes.
We are almost in full lockdown now and still nursing homes are not given the resources they need as shown on last nights Prime Time.
What is the point of locking everyone down if you can't even protect nursing homes during that lockdown. A more targetted approach is needed.

Well said, I think people are beginning to realise that just because we can shut down for 2 months doesn't mean we can do 4.

Either way, I suppose restrictions will continue until financial cracks begin to show and it becomes obvious that all services require funding (doctors, nurses, gardaí, military personnel, civil servants, etc. have to be paid).

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#6779 29-04-2020 10:54AM

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amadangomor wrote: »

Need to have emergency chiropractic session and will have to drive quite a distance. Worth notifying my local Garda station before hand?

Sure and maybe have evidence to hand? Letter/email?

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#6780 29-04-2020 10:54AM

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Smoothrider wrote: »

The other thing that seems striking is the fact that over half of the mortality is occurring in nursing homes. How can the lockdown have any effect whatsoever in protecting those residents?

Pretty much almost every nation has had a care home calamity, sadly.

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#6781 29-04-2020 10:56AM

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Curious_Case wrote: »

Well said, I think people are beginning to realise that just because we can shut down for 2 months doesn't mean we can do 4.

Either way, I suppose restrictions will continue until financial cracks begin to show and it becomes obvious that all services require funding (doctors, nurses, gardaí, military personnel, civil servants, etc. have to be paid).

Financial cracks are showing, dept of social protection and dept of business are out of money in June, budgets gone. New budgets for the departments would require a government in place to approve.

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