Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Update on possible cause of virus
https://consent.yahoo.com/collectConsent?sessionId=3_cc-session_78869cd1-90af-4149-a4dd-4a0ed50dabd3&lang=en-IE&inline=false

Does anyone have detailed breakdown of Germany's second wave outbreak in terms of regions and how many are above R0? Also has Germany made mask wearing mandatory? We have to stop analysing everything across the board and look at minutia details. I'm not suggesting for a moment that a uniform approach is not essential, but I still think detailed breakdowns are important.

For example, take Singapore, poster child of managing contagion, then all of a sudden they have a surge in outbreaks.. main factor causing relapse was their migrant population and their living conditions. We have to analyse everything and look at all the variables that might cause second outbreaks.

From what I can see, we have proof that public losenings in every Day life can be facilitated, provided the proper checks and balances are in place, whether that be face mask wearing as a mandatory measure e.g. Czech Republic in addition to vigorous trace, contact and test systems, that the public supports e.g. South Korea. We need to carefully analyse all of these approaches, which I believe is part of our approach in terms of containment; suppression.

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Does anyone have detailed breakdown of Germany's second wave outbreak in terms of regions and how many are above R0? Also has Germany made mask wearing mandatory? We have to stop analysing everything across the board and look at minutia details. I'm not suggesting for a moment that a uniform approach is not essential, but I still think detailed breakdowns are important.

For example, take Singapore, poster child of managing contagion, then all of a sudden they have a surge in outbreaks.. main factor causing relapse was their migrant population and their living conditions. We have to analyse everything and look at all the variables that might cause second outbreaks.

From what I can see, we have proof that public losenings in every Day life can be facilitated, provided the proper checks and balances are in place, whether that be face mask wearing as a mandatory measure e.g. Czech Republic in addition to vigorous trace, contact and test systems, that the public supports e.g. South Korea. We need to carefully analyse all of these approaches, which I believe is part of our approach in terms of containment; suppression.

Try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Germany

Quick digest and some comments on the current COVID-19 trials.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-research-flaws-in-trials-for-remdesivir-chloroquine-2020-4

https://www.thejournal.ie/face-masks-ireland-5086682-Apr2020/

It's telling that in finally acknowledging the importance of facemasks Holohan adds: "If we were to introduce such a measure, we would have to be very clear that we want to protect healthcare grade masks of all kinds for use in healthcare settings"

It was obvious from the beginning that masks would be helpful for anyone to reduce the risk of inhaling infected droplets but he and the hse downplayed and even lied to prevent a rush on supplies from the public that would endanger healthcare workers. An understandable concern but deeply worrying that they would just outright lie to the public like that.
I've generally been supportive of the HSE direction throughout this but they dropped the ball for their position on masks in a major way and their crawl down is happening slowly as well compared to the rest of the world where masks were integrated weeks ago.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html
example: "Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick."

How many lives could have been saved if they protected healthcare grade masks in February and told the general public to wear cotton or homemade masks? It'll be a battle now to even get the Irish public to wear them since many still believe the lies that they don't do anything to prevent you from contracting covid.

Downlinz wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/face-masks-ireland-5086682-Apr2020/

It's telling that in finally acknowledging the importance of facemasks Holohan adds: "If we were to introduce such a measure, we would have to be very clear that we want to protect healthcare grade masks of all kinds for use in healthcare settings"

It was obvious from the beginning that masks would be helpful for anyone to reduce the risk of inhaling infected droplets but he and the hse downplayed and even lied to prevent a rush on supplies from the public that would endanger healthcare workers. An understandable concern but deeply worrying that they would just outright lie to the public like that.
I've generally been supportive of the HSE direction throughout this but they dropped the ball for their position on masks in a major way and their crawl down is happening slowly as well compared to the rest of the world where masks were integrated weeks ago.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/protect-yourself.html
example: "Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick."

How many lives could have been saved if they protected healthcare grade masks in February and told the general public to wear cotton or homemade masks?

Obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells that masks would protect you and protect others. I’ve been wearing home made ones since mid March. I’m still amazed that more supermarket workers aren’t sick, only saw a few in M&S wearing masks.

Steer55 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/other-sport/2020/0428/1135459-aviva-college-football-clash-still-slated-to-go-ahead/

Surely this won't go ahead

Almost certainly wont be going ahead with any spectators.

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells that masks would protect you and protect others. I’ve been wearing home made ones since mid March. I’m still amazed that more supermarket workers aren’t sick, only saw a few in M&S wearing masks.

The fact they aren't sick suggests you just might be wrong despite your clearly superior intelligence.

I would be all for obligatory masks in shops, gas stations, and anywhere public indoor.
I would be against masks in not crowded open areas, on the streets, while taking walks or doing outdoor sport.

hmmm wrote: »

Once the mask hysteria is finished, and the virus is still here, they'll move on to something else to blame. Perhaps thermometers everywhere.

I'm glad the government is still taking medical advice, and is not just being driven by populism.

The government is being driven by lack of masks.

Scotland got an absolute shít load in during the week, they are now recommending mask usage in certain circumstances.

France, Germany and USA are not recommending them or making them mandatory for the craic.

We will all be wearing them soon.

I wonder have any of the mask brigade here actually worn one? If they did they would know they are not face fit tight, when you breath your droplets are still going all over the place and it offers little to no protection to you from others.

Unless everyone wears full face fitted respirators which is not practical.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It's interesting that people are keen to listen to medical advice when it comes to masks but want to completely ignore it when it comes to extending restrictions.

Well the mask potentially allow you a greater degree of freedom and normality so it's an understandable attitude.

wadacrack wrote: »

Claire Byrne didn't develop antibodies according to the test conducted on her show. Well known footballer Paolo Dybala has tested positive 4 times. Looking increasingly likely that this is a condition that dosent leave your body for some people. Hopefully it is the testing which is inaccurate


https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1255412551002869765

I wouldnt rust the information coming out of any one country. There is a well known German virologist was suggesting that the Koreans were reporting remnants of the virus as positive.
The Italians for example must have a good pool of recovered health workers at this stage to retest?

silverharp wrote: »

people will have a breaking point. At the end of the day there is little in the way of absolute facts. Indefinite extension will take a toll on people

Absolutely, but increased levels of death is a very final toll and one which I still think most people are working to avoid. It will take time and cooperation from the public to figure out a way to live after this. Personally I wouldn't like to be making decisions on it yet ... or ever for that matter.

Our leaders/advisors are doing their best and a lot of their actions will be based on seeing what other countries do first and how it affects them. It has been 'wait and see' since the start of this pandemic, and it is still early days.