Masks

Away With The Fairies · 29-04-2020 05:06AM

Yes: valved

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did anyone else watch prime time and get the 2 Virologists take on it, masks are one thing but the amount of people using gloves is off the scale. Your not to wear them why aren't people understanding this it's been repeated consistently across media.

What I don't get is there seems to be more people wearing gloves than there are of masks. Why protect the hands, the virus enters and leaves the mouth/nose... It's the mouth/nose that needs protecting. I even saw a lady going home with her shopping with big thick rubber gloves on (the washing up kind) she was only carrying the virus on the gloves and back home... Pretty sure alot of these people feel protected and probably wouldn't wash their shopping down because they feel ok with their gloves on.

2u2me · 29-04-2020 05:10AM

I think the big risk with masks is that people forget about the social distancing part which is far more important.

It might make them feel safer and therefore might get closer to each other. This is what we need to avoid. Masks are just an extra.

Away With The Fairies · 29-04-2020 06:08AM

Yes: valved

I think people are forgetting social distancing now and that's without masks on... I've seen so much people out chatting and giving a half a meter space.

everlast75 · 29-04-2020 06:11AM

The SDLP are recommending that N.I. follow Scotland's lead and advise people to use masks, even cloth masks, stating that it played a pivotal role in stopping the virus in Scotland.

Away With The Fairies · 29-04-2020 06:14AM

Yes: valved

everlast75 wrote: »

The SDLP are recommending that N.I. follow Scotland's lead and advise people to use masks, even cloth masks, stating that it played a pivotal role in stopping the virus in Scotland.

Ah what a joke we will become the longer they keep putting it off.

xhomelezz · 29-04-2020 06:38AM

Yes: valved

They just keep making more and more mess around about everything. Testing is becoming utter joke, figures jumping all over the place so it reflects f.. all. If they introduced masks together with the lockdown and proper testing, they would have their data by now. But sure it's better to have a show on prime time, sick of it. By my opinion, there's not much risks with wearing masks. Just follow easy and clear steps to keep it safe way. Honestly whoever is not able to do that, is hardly following other measures too..

everlast75 · 29-04-2020 07:06AM

What is the best link to a video on making your own mask at home (no sewing kit I'm afraid) please?

Thanks

drunkmonkey · 29-04-2020 07:32AM

No: other

fryup wrote: »

but most shops have them as you enter

Yes they shouldn't have. The virus attaches better to them than it does your hands. I see more people arriving in their cars or on foot with them already on. These people should be washing their hands nothing more.
If retail staff want to wear them they can but they are meant to be single use per customer, I have yet to see any retail staff changing gloves after each customer. That is a dirty and dangerous practice. I won't let anyone handle my items if there wearing gloves.

Boggles · 29-04-2020 08:43AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What I don't get is there seems to be more people wearing gloves than there are of masks.

There has been no shortage of gloves.

Used correctly gloves are effective. It's why they were invented and had 100s of other safety uses pre pandemic.

The main reason I use them, is because with all the washing and 80% alcohol rubbing the skin on my hands degraded to point where they would just burst out in bloody cuts, that itself is a health risk virus aside.

Prime Time was a an absolute disgrace last night, get the "eccentric" homeless looking scientist on from the Czech Republic and basically snigger at him and ignore what he actually said,

Kivaro · 29-04-2020 08:52AM

Yes: valved

So France is making wearing masks a major part of their exit strategy for a return to normality (a new normal).
Our Celtic cousins in Scotland are being told that the public should wear face masks when out shopping and in enclosed public spaces.
Meanwhile in Germany, people not wearing a face covering while taking public transportation or while in a store face a fine, and there are huge fines for shop staff for not wearing one.
And similar stories from all around the world.

Ireland's response last night: "We are looking into it".
Are we to presume that when they finally see sense and issues a mask recommendation, that they will then say that they are having problems sourcing masks, even though they had a number of months heads-up that this was inevitable?
Wonder have they even asked some Irish manufactures (involved in clothing etc.) to start making masks for us?

It is indeed a strange decision by the Irish authorities.
Wonder if masks were recommended in Ireland a month ago, would we be easing out of our restrictions on May 5th, rather than looking at another 2 weeks in lock-down?

hmmm · 29-04-2020 08:56AM

No: other

everlast75 wrote: »

The SDLP are recommending that N.I. follow Scotland's lead and advise people to use masks, even cloth masks, stating that it played a pivotal role in stopping the virus in Scotland.

This is amazing medical news, ground-breaking even. I'm not aware of any study from anywhere in the world showing that masks were pivotal in stopping the virus.

Could you tell me where I could find this SDLP medical research paper?

Meanwhile - keep on washing those hands and stay 2 metres away from people.

Seanergy · 29-04-2020 09:00AM

Yes: valved

Deleted User wrote: »

I think I need to unsubscribe from this thread.

If everyone is wearing masks, there is far less of the virus on stuff that people be touching. There is far less of it in the air. It doesn't matter if the mask is worn "wrong" or it's been reused five hundred times, it is better than nothing. We don't need some doing it perfectly, we need everyone doing it even if imperfectly.

I hope books in the future deal not only with the government's lies but also the West's attitude in general where it's all about protecting one's self and not others. It doesn't even make sense. Most of us see people we care about it.

It's not pointless, H was wrong with word choice.

I fully agreee a half arsd mask interms of blocking the heavy particle load is key and should be embraced immediately, the fact that it hasn't is disgusting. Education can follow as can statues to the West's misconception of the function of a mask, lies. etc.

Right now as in this instance, we don't need the perfect seal or fit test, we just need heads wearing some sort of shield that prevents heavy droplets landing on shared surfaces and into people's immediate airspace.

A solid point that Hodge didn't make is, if masks are contaminated and people are constantly pulling them up and down, after said action the hands are then contaminated and they will introduce risk on shared objects.

Even if you were to unsubscribe, please don't stop contributing, your posts have been of immense value.

Main problem is there are alot of voices on this matter, we are divided and in division we ae weak. MASK UP

TheAsYLuMkeY · 29-04-2020 09:03AM

Yes: other

I’ve been wearing this type mask for four weeks now everywhere I go,

everlast75 · 29-04-2020 09:03AM

hmmm wrote: »

This is amazing medical news, ground-breaking even. I'm not aware of any study from anywhere in the world showing that masks were pivotal in stopping the virus.

Could you tell me where I could find this SDLP medical research paper?

Meanwhile - keep on washing those hands and stay 2 metres away from people.

Your sarcasm is about as welcome as someone coughing in my face.

I explained that the SDLP stated this. I did not state it. Read my post again.

If you want the research paper, might I suggest you contact the SDLP.

Wibbs · 29-04-2020 09:07AM

Yes: other

Kivaro wrote: »

It is indeed a strange decision by the Irish authorities.

Add it to the long list of them K. Our authorities have been at best mediocre and worst downright incompetent throughout this crisis and it has shown them to be the amateurs too many of them are. People have and will die because of them.

Sadly too many of the general public more in hope than anything and because we tend to love authority in this culture think "ah shure they're doin a grand job". They haven't and they're not. Whatever excuses they actually had at the start of this crisis because of the novelty of the threat they've run out of them now.

We still have mediocre testing, we still have mediocre contact tracing, we still have no health checks at entry points, we still have no quarantine protocols in place, and yep we're still hmmm and hawing over masks in publicly shared spaces. Every single one of the above has been in play in nations that have a far better handle on this crisis, nations that have fewer infected and fewer dead, nations that will be able to restart society more quickly(some already are). And here we are, an island nation with one of the lowest population densities and shared accommodation living in the west with numbers of dead way higher than those above nations.

Boggles · 29-04-2020 09:09AM

hmmm wrote: »

This is amazing medical news, ground-breaking even.

It's not really they are just falling in line behind the USA, France, Germany, Scotland, who were all "late" to the party.

Trust me you will be wearing one soon if you want to partake in certain services.

Seanergy · 29-04-2020 09:10AM

Yes: valved

everlast75 wrote: »

What is the best link to a video on making your own mask at home (no sewing kit I'm afraid) please?

Thanks

There's plenty of t-shirt mask options out there aswell which are great if your in a rush or want to bring a back up mask around in your bag.

This 1's ok for no sew option

Seanergy · 29-04-2020 09:20AM

Yes: valved

Boggles wrote: »

There has been no shortage of gloves.

Used correctly gloves are effective. It's why they were invented and had 100s of other safety uses pre pandemic.

The main reason I use them, is because with all the washing and 80% alcohol rubbing the skin on my hands degraded to point where they would just burst out in bloody cuts, that itself is a health risk virus aside.

I use gloves for the same reason and also when I have a cut on my hands from gardening/other activites.

If only the shops gave away masks like they do gloves......

Gloves are not recommended by the HSE or the WHO yet the shops still hand them out and get no grief for it.

Don't see why the shops ain't handing out masks, oh yeah it's cause of supply.

Wibbs · 29-04-2020 09:32AM

Yes: other

Boggles wrote: »

It's not really they are just falling in line behind the USA, France, Germany, Scotland, who were all "late" to the party.

Trust me you will be wearing one soon if you want to partake in certain services.

I'm not so sure B. I mean look at the list above of things we're still not doing a couple of months after these were shown to be effective strategies in dealing with this crisis. I hope I'm wrong, but I will be surprised if they put masks on the agenda any time soon and if and when they do you can be sure it'll be a wishy washy "suggestion" rather than anything actually concrete. That covers their arses and saves face over their previous pronouncements, and of course RTE will back them as usual. I'm most certainly not one of those "mainstream media conspiracy" nutters but RTE have been just as mediocre in their questioning of the authorities.

Kivaro · 29-04-2020 09:36AM

Yes: valved

Wibbs wrote: »

.... And here we are, an island nation with one of the lowest population densities and shared accommodation living in the west with numbers of dead way higher than those above nations.

When the pandemic hit Italy, I was optimistic that the fact above would serve us well. It is unfortunate that the Irish authorities did not take advantage of it .... like other Island nations did.

While I will applaud them when they make the right decisions, but there are times however when they looked like they were sleepwalking through this deadly pandemic. 100 million masks per week are being delivered/made in France. We are constantly being told how advanced and rich Ireland is, so the Irish authorities needs to ramp up our response into a higher gear.

Kivaro · 29-04-2020 09:42AM

Yes: valved

Wibbs wrote: »

..... I hope I'm wrong, but I will be surprised if they put masks on the agenda any time soon and if and when they do you can be sure it'll be a wishy washy "suggestion" rather than anything actually concrete. That covers their arses and saves face ......

I wish it was the opposite.

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm most certainly not one of those "mainstream media conspiracy" nutters but RTE have been just as mediocre in their questioning of the authorities.

This should not come as a surprise to anyone. RTE needs more government money in the coming months (and for perpetuity), so they will hardly bite the hand that feeds their enormous appetite.

rubberdungeon · 29-04-2020 09:52AM

everlast75 wrote: »

What is the best link to a video on making your own mask at home (no sewing kit I'm afraid) please?

Thanks

https://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/how-to-make-your-own-face-mask-whatever-your-crafting-ability-996339.html

rubberdungeon · 29-04-2020 09:53AM

everlast75 wrote: »

What is the best link to a video on making your own mask at home (no sewing kit I'm afraid) please?

Thanks

https://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/how-to-make-your-own-face-mask-whatever-your-crafting-ability-996339.html

stephenjmcd · 29-04-2020 10:15AM

https://twitter.com/RCarrollTV/status/1255422742263988224?s=19

Seanergy · 29-04-2020 10:18AM

Yes: valved

Small sound bites starting to appear on RTE.

Shame the HSE already have their posters up without masks on them......If RTE were anyway commited to actialy atempting to save lives they would have had 2 people walking towards the camera with masks on and they would have delivered the punchline under the image.

But then again this is the way the trickle starts when State does uturns.

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An infectious disease specialist at the Royal College of Surgeons has said he thinks Irish society would benefit from an easing of some restrictions to allow people to go outside safely with social distancing.

Professor Sam McConkey said it is low risk and relatively safe for children and over 70s to work and play outside once masks are worn and people keep their distances.

Seanergy · 29-04-2020 10:20AM

Yes: valved

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RCarrollTV/status/1255422742263988224?s=19

Ain't enough masks available for the vulnerable to make it compulsary thats why.....shambles

Wibbs · 29-04-2020 10:36AM

Yes: other

Seanergy wrote: »

Ain't enough masks available for the vulnerable to make it compulsary thats why.....shambles

Yup. Not a shock with the authorities in this. Again.

Me. Earlier. Being psychic wrote:

I hope I'm wrong, but I will be surprised if they put masks on the agenda any time soon and if and when they do you can be sure it'll be a wishy washy "suggestion" rather than anything actually concrete. That covers their arses and saves face ......

railer201 · 29-04-2020 10:52AM

Yes: valved

Sean O'Rourke RTE Radio 1 on masks now,' community grade ' seems to be the new term for the ones we'll be wearing.

Finished now, but it looks like the ball is starting to roll. Home made masks of cotton fabric got a mention, also pharmacies and other outlets to stock community grade masks with varying prices. It's difficult to sum it all up, but it looks like the decision makers are now looking positively on mask wearing by the public.

Xertz · 29-04-2020 11:05AM

Yes: other

Seanergy wrote: »

Ain't enough masks available for the vulnerable to make it compulsary thats why.....shambles

Which is exactly what happens when global demand suddenly and massively exceeds global supply and you’re in a region that doesn’t manufacturer vast amounts of bulk, cheap consumer goods.

The manufacturers are predicting a $26 billion market for these and once things scale up, which will happen, they’ll be as available as any other consumer good as there’s big money to be made selling something that everyone on the planet suddenly wants.

A few months ago masks were obscure devices worn by medics or people working with sanders and painting and so on. Now they’re a huge mainstream consumer item that’s in short supply.

Have a read of some of the coverage of the reality of procurement.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/face-masks-coveted-commodity-coronavirus-pandemic

It’s a “shambles” everywhere because there’s no capacity to meet the demand or it’s being built out.

Also frankly attacking the Asian based bulk manufacturing capabilities with cries of jingoism is nonsense from Trump et al. They’ll meet the global demand as it’s a major, huge scale manufacturing challenge which those economies are geared up to meet.

Realistically, there’s always going to be a supply shortage when something like this happens and a lag as companies retool and shift towards supplying the market.

stockshares · 29-04-2020 11:10AM

railer201 wrote: »

Sean O'Rourke RTE Radio 1 on masks now,' community grade ' seems to be the new term for the ones we'll be wearing.

Until these become widely available what is the recommended standard for homemade ones.

The expert on Rte 1 just now said whatever cloth mask you wear should be cut to shape and ideally have 3-4 layers.

I want to start making them but don't want to waste my time following some YouTube video that creates ineffective masks.

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