Relaxation of restrictions Part II

drunkmonkey · 29-04-2020 08:55AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I know people involved in non essential retail, the hospitality sector, all ready to go with measures in place. Longer they stay closed higher the chance they just wont reopen at all.

The hospitality sector will be one of the last to reopen, I can see retail that closed in the last tranche opening back up at least some of them.

Penfailed · 29-04-2020 08:55AM

easypazz wrote: »

Who said there will be a global recession?

I'll say it. There will be a global recession.

GazzaL · 29-04-2020 08:55AM

snotboogie wrote: »

What do people expect? The best case scenario is that the 2km exercise rule gets extended a bit, maybe a small relaxation on outdoor activity for over 70's, some specialist shops like garden centres opening with strict social distancing rules and outdoor jobs like construction returning to work.

Unless you are over 70, have some extraordinary amenity (that is still open, maybe a beach or a park?) between 2km and 5km from your home or work in the building trade the relaxation of restrictions will have no material impact on you.

The big ticket items like schools and offices reopening are months off. The really big ticket item, not having to be 2 metres away from anybody not in your household, has no solution in sight. Nobody know how we stop social distancing and the my guess is that we will still be doing it well into 2021. It seems the only thing that could change this in 2020 is a miracle drug being found.

I know a 75 year old who goes out to work every day. I wonder what he'd make of the clowns in NPHET telling him it's ok to step outside his front door now. He's not the only 70+ year old still working either!

Kermit.de.frog · 29-04-2020 08:55AM

pjohnson wrote: »

What do you propose Ireland does to avoid the pending GLOBAL rescession?

The "economists" here that seem to think Irelands economy continuing will somehow prevent the pending recession is so cute!

Correct.

The world will see the biggest and fastest annual decline in economic output in history this year.

There is nothing we can do here that will make much difference to us, at all.

We need to continue the measures to try and contain the virus and I'm glad to see that is what looks like happening. It's the only option for us.

lawred2 · 29-04-2020 08:57AM

kwestfan08 wrote: »

That is one depressing timeline. Essentially no meeting up with any friends either socially or travelling with them on any kind of holiday throughout the whole summer.

None of that bothers me really... but the thought of another 4/5 months of being in the house with the three kids every single day - day in day out scares me..

I love them and all but there's no relief or respite.

Penfailed · 29-04-2020 08:58AM

Stark wrote: »

"Summer" is vague. Ireland defines it as May, June, July which is a month earlier than everywhere else in the Northern Hemisphere. Then you have the definition of calendar months of June, July, August used elsewhere and then the solstice to Equinox definition of summer which puts it even later.

Let's hope they're referring to the Irish schoolkid definition of summer

It's semantics but...

VonLuck · 29-04-2020 08:58AM

Was reading this article in the Irish Times this morning: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/revealed-phased-plan-to-exit-coronavirus-lockdown-in-ireland-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404

Key points I noted were:

An inability to meet the target of providing 100,000 tests a week “feeds into” the stance of officials in relation to the lifting of restrictions, according to the head of the Government’s expert advisory group on the disease, Dr Cillian de Gascun.

The phases are broken down as: initial phase, early phase stage one, early phase stage two, middle phases and late phases. The latter two phases could be broken down into more stages.

Under the latest draft, the first phase would allow the over-70s who are cocooning out to walk on a “no touch” basis; allow outdoor workers such as builders and gardeners return to work; allow a maximum of four people not from the same household gather outside while obeying social distancing; recommence some restricted classes for Leaving Cert students; potentially increase the distance people can travel outside their home for exercise from 2km to 5km or 10km; allow retailers such as DIY and garden centres reopen; and allow retail outlets deemed essential in an earlier round of restrictions – such as banks, repair shops, optometrists and others – open again.

The next phase – “early phase stage one” – would allow small retailers reopen by allowing only a limited number of staff and customers on the premises. Restrictions on travel away from the home could increase to 20km. Open marts could also recommence.

Sounds like the travel distance restriction won't be lifted any time soon.

lawred2 · 29-04-2020 08:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

I know of offices who are back in next week and of others planning for some increased activity in May.

planning on being back in next week

It won't happen though

Ordinary man · 29-04-2020 08:59AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yup, I know people involved in non essential retail, the hospitality sector, all ready to go with measures in place. Longer they stay closed higher the chance they just wont reopen at all.

Even if they lifted restrictions on cafes, restaurants and hotels, do you think people will risk going back? There's more chance of them going bust when they're open, fully staffed and paying full expenses with few if any customers

Banana Republic. · 29-04-2020 08:59AM

Watching the briefing last night and engine is on tender hooks, HSE & DOH seemed tense together and the journos done a good job last night, they are starting to dig deeper into why the HSE is still dragging it’s heels with testing capacity with Dr Heery still talking about “reagent” since day one ramping up testing to 15k a day, this line is being fed since day one. Also the government ministers disagreeing on restrictions being lifted and not lifted so they’ve a lot to decide this week. So many variables it’s far from cut and dried.

easypazz · 29-04-2020 09:00AM

VonLuck wrote: »

Was reading this article in the Irish Times this morning: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/revealed-phased-plan-to-exit-coronavirus-lockdown-in-ireland-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404

Key points I noted were:

Sounds like the travel distance restriction won't be lifted any time soon.

Thats only some journo making stuff up. Best ignored.

robbiezero · 29-04-2020 09:00AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Correct.

The world will see the biggest and fastest annual decline in economic output in history this year.

There is nothing we can do here that will make much difference to us, at all.

We need to continue the measures to try and contain the virus and I'm glad to see that is what looks like happening. It's the only option for us.

Have you a link for that?
I am not calling for an opening up of our economy, but I find it hard to believe there would be almost no difference to us whether our internal economy is shut down or not. No difference in having over a million people dependent on social welfare handouts etc.

is_that_so · 29-04-2020 09:00AM

GazzaL wrote: »

I know a 75 year old who goes out to work every day. I wonder what he'd make of the clowns in NPHET telling him it's ok to step outside his front door now. He's not the only 70+ year old still working either!

Well it is strong advice not mandatory. Also quite a few rebels in the extended family, all pretty healthy people but sneaking out every day. It's not as if you can card them!

robbiezero · 29-04-2020 09:01AM

VonLuck wrote: »

Was reading this article in the Irish Times this morning: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/revealed-phased-plan-to-exit-coronavirus-lockdown-in-ireland-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404

Key points I noted were:

Sounds like the travel distance restriction won't be lifted any time soon.

Going to be quite a few shopping trips so to bring goods to the vulnerable.

stephenjmcd · 29-04-2020 09:03AM

VonLuck wrote: »

Was reading this article in the Irish Times this morning: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/revealed-phased-plan-to-exit-coronavirus-lockdown-in-ireland-may-see-cafes-reopen-by-mid-summer-1.4240404

Key points I noted were:

Sounds like the travel distance restriction won't be lifted any time soon.

Also I know in my area, banks and some of the other retail mentioned there are already open. They never closed.

The idea of breaking down the later stages is also vague, would give no security to anyone in those sectors. We wait and see until Friday but it's quite evident pressure is mounting even within cabinet

lawred2 · 29-04-2020 09:03AM

robbiezero wrote: »

Have you a link for that?
I am not calling for an opening up of our economy, but I find it hard to believe there would be almost no difference to us whether our internal economy is shut down or not. No difference in having over a million people dependent on social welfare handouts etc.

it's his opinion... a wrong one in my opinion but still it's his opinion..

why are you asking for a link to back up his crystal ball gazing?

Can he not just have an opinion?

plodder · 29-04-2020 09:03AM

snotboogie wrote: »

What do people expect? The best case scenario is that the 2km exercise rule gets extended a bit

I was surprised at the loose talk around that already this morning.

GazzaL · 29-04-2020 09:05AM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Even if they lifted restrictions on cafes, restaurants and hotels, do you think people will risk going back? There's more chance of them going bust when they're open, fully staffed and paying full expenses with few if any customers

Different businesses will have different plans. They'll know themselves what is viable and what isn't. It won't be a case of all staff coming back either. If everywhere re-opened tomorrow, some people will not have jobs to go back to. A lot of people would go straight back out into cafés and restaurants if they opened.

stephenjmcd · 29-04-2020 09:05AM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Even if they lifted restrictions on cafes, restaurants and hotels, do you think people will risk going back? There's more chance of them going bust when they're open, fully staffed and paying full expenses with few if any customers

They aren't going to be fully staffed, theres going to be job losses that are temporary now that'll be permanent. The aim is to minimise that by getting them back open asap.
I agree it's a balancing act for owners.

Personally would I go into a restaurant or cafe when they open, yeah I would, I dont see why not. Likewise when countries reopen borders and travel resumes I'll get on a plane.

is_that_so · 29-04-2020 09:05AM

plodder wrote: »

I was surprised at the loose talk around that already this morning.

It seems to be the one that most bothers people so always likely to be a high profile talking point.

robbiezero · 29-04-2020 09:09AM

lawred2 wrote: »

it's his opinion... a wrong one in my opinion but still it's his opinion..

why are you asking for a link to back up his crystal ball gazing?

Can he not just have an opinion?

He can, no one is saying that he can't.
Can I not just ask if there is anything substantial to back it up as I found it a surprising position to hold and I would be interested to see any concrete information on this?

easypazz · 29-04-2020 09:09AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Personally would I go into a restaurant or cafe when they open, yeah I would, I dont see why not

If people see a place is quiet they might be more inclined to go in, initially.

After a while people will just aclimatise to it again.

lawred2 · 29-04-2020 09:11AM

robbiezero wrote: »

He can, no one is saying that he can't.
Can I not just ask if there is anything substantial to back it up as I found it a surprising position to hold and I would be interested to see any concrete information on this?

just ask him to back it up then... he could try to do so using old fashioned argument... and not someone else's. I doubt he'll be able to argue such a position convincingly to be honest. But I'd like to see him try.

nj27 · 29-04-2020 09:16AM

Pretty disheartening news from Germany after their relaxation of restrictions. The medical authorities here will probably hold off a lot longer based on that data. Looks like we'll be living under the current restrictions for many months to come.

robbiezero · 29-04-2020 09:16AM

lawred2 wrote: »

just ask him to back it up then... he could try to do so using old fashioned argument... and not someone else's. I doubt he'll be able to argue such a position convincingly to be honest. But I'd like to see him try.

As I said, I am interested to see if there is something substantial behind that opinion such as articles from experts etc. If there isn't then fine.
The post was delivered with such certainty and confidence, I thought it might be more than just crystal ball gazing.

ixoy · 29-04-2020 09:16AM

All of this is contingent on the HSE largely meeting its targets. I'm hoping they present their own plan, and detailed timeline, on how they're going to source testing kits, reagents, ramp up contact tracing so that we, the public, can then work in tandem to these proposals. We can do our bit but what about them doing theirs?

plodder · 29-04-2020 09:16AM

nj27 wrote: »

Pretty disheartening news from Germany after their relaxation of restrictions. The medical authorities here will probably hold off a lot longer based on that data. Looks like we'll be living under the current restrictions for many months to come.

Indeed.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/germans-urged-to-stay-home-as-coronavirus-infection-rate-edges-back-up-1.4240157

is_that_so · 29-04-2020 09:18AM

nj27 wrote: »

Pretty disheartening news from Germany after their relaxation of restrictions. The medical authorities here will probably hold off a lot longer based on that data. Looks like we'll be living under the current restrictions for many months to come.

Relax, think positive. It might be two more weeks but we should then begin to emerge at that point.

facehugger99 · 29-04-2020 09:20AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Correct.

The world will see the biggest and fastest annual decline in economic output in history this year.

There is nothing we can do here that will make much difference to us, at all.

We need to continue the measures to try and contain the virus and I'm glad to see that is what looks like happening. It's the only option for us.

Complete and utter bull****.

I suspect you haven't a clue about anything outside your own bubble.

Tenzor07 · 29-04-2020 09:20AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Relax, think positive. It might be two more weeks but we should then begin to emerge at that point.

Yea hello again 10th of April....

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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