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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #4232
    SecretsOfEarth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 970 ✭✭✭SecretsOfEarth


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Totally agree, why would RTE be stupid enough to use an old clip, and how old would it need to be to justify that much close contact when meeting about a pandemic.

    On the 9 o'clock news, it was labelled as "file pictures". Bit irresponsible that it wasn't labelled similarly on Six One but at least they rectified it.


  • #4233
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    SNNUS wrote: »
    Excellent article in The Irish Times how they are deflecting blame onto Joe public

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955?mode=amp

    Very good and fair article, the public have done an amazing job in curving this since mid-March. The fallings have been on the HSE side where they are still struggling to reach the testing targets promised to be in effect before the end of March and their delay in protecting the nursing homes.

    Everywhere you go people are taking this very seriously and an attempt to put the blame of the extension of restrictions onto the general public will seriously backfire


  • #4234
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: »
    Moving 2km to 5km would be pointless. Minimum risk and minimum benefit.

    It wouldnt be pointless especially in Dublin. I would have a huge variety of outdoor areas I could bring my child to if I could go 5km from my home.


  • #4235
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    showpony1 wrote: »
    what difference is changing the 2km to 5km going to make if you've to not interact with anyone else and only leave for essential trips and exercise? lads in their Lycra cycling a few more kms?

    Covid19 is definitely the fault of cyclists!


  • #4236
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    From what I heard on RTE from Cillian De Gascun, they say that if they let the over 70s out for a couple of hours a day it would mean that others would be under a more severe lockdown.

    No indication that the 2k limit will be changed to 5k either, he basically said "We want people to stay at home..."

    no f9ckin plan at all..

    From what I can see in the last few days, that ship has fairly sailed. Lots of elderly out for strolls around my area. They are very careful with the distancing from what I can see.


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  • #4237
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Without wishing to sound a bit mad, but that's open to interpretation, there really should be mandatory supervised quarantine for those entering the country now. But I see our brethren in NI are exempt. Maybe the Brexit Border would have been better after all.

    So at the moment there is free access from outside the State, whilst those resident in the State are on lockdown. That must be addressed I think. Oh and I must mention our ethnic minority also, who are above every law ever made in this country also.


  • #4238
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    From what I heard on RTE from Cillian De Gascun, they say that if they let the over 70s out for a couple of hours a day it would mean that others would be under a more severe lockdown.

    No indication that the 2k limit will be changed to 5k either, he basically said "We want people to stay at home..."

    no f9ckin plan at all..

    Exactly + meanwhile while 'everyone must stay at home' domestic violence is up 30% according to womens aid + childline is overwhelmed with calls.

    But sure its grand staying at home seems to solve everything according to government.


  • #4239
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Without wishing to sound a bit mad, but that's open to interpretation, there really should be mandatory supervised quarantine for those entering the country now. But I see our brethren in NI are exempt. Maybe the Brexit Border would have been better after all..

    Ship has sailed, community transmission is here and it's high.

    Most of the flights are empty and are Irish people returning home anyways.


  • #4240
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    appledrop wrote: »
    Exactly + meanwhile while 'everyone must stay at home' domestic violence is up 30% according to womens aid + childline is overwhelmed with calls.
    But sure its grand staying at home seems to solve everything according to government.

    On Prime Time a care home resident said he hasn't seen his wife since february and she's only 150 yards away but is ill, chances are she could die and he'll never see her ever again, his care home has little or no staff, no testing of the staff, no PPE, these are the people I really feel sorry for, to hell with lifting of restrictions, the HSE need to start looking after Care homes..


  • #4241
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Without wishing to sound a bit mad, but that's open to interpretation, there really should be mandatory supervised quarantine for those entering the country now. But I see our brethren in NI are exempt. Maybe the Brexit Border would have been better after all.

    So at the moment there is free access from outside the State, whilst those resident in the State are on lockdown. That must be addressed I think. Oh and I must mention our ethnic minority also, who are above every law ever made in this country also.

    While these are far from ideal the issue at present is that the virus has been pushed into the nursing and care homes and is rampant there, it far out ways the issues around people crossing the border or a group of people ignoring the restrictions to attend a funeral.


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  • #4242
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Ship has sailed, community transmission is here and it's high.

    Most of the flights are empty and are Irish people returning home anyways.

    And links to community transmission being high at present???

    Everything I've seen is that it's near 0


  • #4243
    Podge201
    Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭Podge201


    RoryMac wrote: »
    And links to community transmission being high at present???

    Everything I've seen is that it's near 0

    Link to 0


  • #4244
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    appledrop wrote: »
    Exactly + meanwhile while 'everyone must stay at home' domestic violence is up 30% according to womens aid + childline is overwhelmed with calls.

    But sure its grand staying at home seems to solve everything according to government.
    Yeah it's the gubberments fault people beat their partners up and their children.


  • #4245
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    RoryMac wrote: »
    And links to community transmission being high at present???

    Everything I've seen is that it's near 0

    Here's a link after a quick Google to give some figures: 66-community-transmission-rate-a-challenge-in-irelands-covid-19-battle/


  • #4246
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Here's a link after a quick Google to give some figures: 66-community-transmission-rate-a-challenge-in-irelands-covid-19-battle/

    Thats 2 weeks old.


  • #4247
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭User142


    We should be holding the government to account this week but cleverly the government has gone on the attack and we will spend more time this week debating whether more people are walking outside the their 2km radius than the lack of promised testing and contact tracing....


  • #4248
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,121 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    User142 wrote: »
    We should be holding the government to account this week but cleverly the government has gone on the attack and we will spend more time this week debating whether more people are walking outside the their 2km radius than the lack of promised testing and contact tracing....

    We are testing more than most other countries.


  • #4249
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Thats 2 weeks old.

    Any nothing said on the media lately has said that figure has been greatly reduced unless you have a link to say otherwise?


  • #4250
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Any extension is basically the mess in nursing homes etc and lack of testing

    Neither of which the general public had any effect on

    The vast vast majority of the general public have done our bit


  • #4251
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Yeah it's the gubberments fault people beat their partners up and their children.

    No but we are a society have a responsibility to protect vulnerable people especially children. We have seen the disaster years ago when we stood back + done nothing.

    The reports to Tusla for child neglect/welfare concerns have dropped dramatically since schools closed.

    The problems haven't gone away they are just hidden behind closed doors + schools can no longer keep an eye on these children because they are not in front of them everyday.


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  • #4252
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Here's a link after a quick Google to give some figures: 66-community-transmission-rate-a-challenge-in-irelands-covid-19-battle/

    My understanding is the r0 number they talk about gives an indication of the rate of community transmission and at present that is around 0.5 which is where they want it to be.

    The vast majority of new cases being released at present are in care or nursing homes where they ramped up testing last week.

    If community transmission is still high as you suggest then the restrictions are having absolutely no impact

    And that article is 2 weeks old


  • #4253
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,631 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Any nothing said on the media lately has said that figure has been greatly reduced unless you have a link to say otherwise?

    I don't.
    I was only pointing out the age of the article, and 2 weeks in these times is a long time.


  • #4254
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,030 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That type of journalism is the fundamental basis of democracy. Competent journalists/presenters don't communicate their personal belief's, they invoke thought and demand justification. Its times like these that poor
    presenters are so apparent, Joe wash your hands Duffy and Ryan stay at home fools Tubridy are stealing a living.
    Its so refreshing to hear Yates to question the narrative and field texts accusing him gross irresponsibility to question the actions of Leo, Tony and Simon.
    Questioning the actions of a man with experience of 18 previous Covid virus takes bravery. It also takes bravery to question a Dr who previously warned an advocate over questions directed at him during a cervical check crisis.
    These guy have being given a free reign on our future for 2 month's. Unchallenged and unquestioned. Armed detectives have been mobilised to protect areas of natural beauty this weekend. All in the name of a crisis in care homes. So I want to see them questioned, and I want answers

    That's a gross misrepresentation of what has been going on.


  • #4255
    appledrop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,635 ✭✭✭appledrop


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Any extension is basically the mess in nursing homes etc and lack of testing

    Neither of which the general public had any effect on

    The vast vast majority of the general public have done our bit

    I would 100% agree. It's very sad what's happening in nursing homes but really that's HSE issue know + only they can fix it.

    Dr. Holohan has a lot to answer for nursing homes when he criticised them for restricting visitors very early on. That was the biggest mistake of all.


  • #4256
    GreenandRed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭GreenandRed


    Deleted User wrote: »
    At least he’s asking questions !

    He's not asking questions that he doesn't already know where to find the answers from given his extensive lists of contacts, or asking questions that no-one knows the answer to.He's sensationalising and fearmongering to get more listeners. He used to have a good show, now it's unlistenable. I nearly listened to Matt Cooper because of it. Hopefully Ivan will get back on track because I usually like his non-PC pisstaking.


  • #4257
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,330 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    RoryMac wrote: »
    My understanding is the r0 number they talk about gives an indication of the rate of community transmission and at present that is around 0.5 which is where they want it to be.
    The vast majority of new cases being released at present are in care or nursing homes where they ramped up testing last week.
    If community transmission is still high as you suggest then the restrictions are having absolutely no impact
    And that article is 2 weeks old

    If the HSE thought that the community transmission rate was so low as to allow restrictions to be lifted then they would, but all the signals are that any lifting of restrictions will be minimal at best, which would beg the question, why maintain the current level of restrictions when the R0 number is .5?


  • #4258
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Tell me how wrote: »
    That's a gross misrepresentation of what has been going on.

    Overall or at present??

    Overall yes it was far more than an issue confined to care homes but according to the HSE figures 4155 of our confirmed cases are in care home facilities. That's a big % and considering they only rolled out widespread testing in these facilities last week it appears at present that is where the concentration of cases are

    https://www.gov.ie/en/news/7e0924-latest-updates-on-covid-19-coronavirus/


  • #4259
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,762 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    So what do people think is going to happen? Leo on the tele on Sunday announcing another 3 weeks of lockdown, maybe even another 4 weeks to get us beyond the June bank holiday weekend? Seems everything is pointing in that direction right now. He might do two weeks then add another two in mid May.


  • #4260
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    If the HSE thought that the community transmission rate was so low as to allow restrictions to be lifted then they would, but all the signals are that any lifting of restrictions will be minimal at best, which would beg the question, why maintain the current level of restrictions when the R0 number is .5?

    They don't have nursing homes under control and we don't have the capacity to test and trace for new cases

    None of which the general public can make any difference to


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  • #4261
    RoryMac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,551 ✭✭✭RoryMac


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    If the HSE thought that the community transmission rate was so low as to allow restrictions to be lifted then they would, but all the signals are that any lifting of restrictions will be minimal at best, which would beg the question, why maintain the current level of restrictions when the R0 number is .5?

    Yeah that is the question alright, the r0.5 was what we were told we were striving for and have achieved that so....


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