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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Tenzor07

RoryMac wrote: »

And links to community transmission being high at present???

Everything I've seen is that it's near 0

Here's a link after a quick Google to give some figures: 66-community-transmission-rate-a-challenge-in-irelands-covid-19-battle/

Jinglejangle69

appledrop wrote: »

Exactly + meanwhile while 'everyone must stay at home' domestic violence is up 30% according to womens aid + childline is overwhelmed with calls.

But sure its grand staying at home seems to solve everything according to government.

Yeah it's the gubberments fault people beat their partners up and their children.

Podge201

RoryMac wrote: »

And links to community transmission being high at present???

Everything I've seen is that it's near 0

Link to 0

RoryMac

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Ship has sailed, community transmission is here and it's high.

Most of the flights are empty and are Irish people returning home anyways.

And links to community transmission being high at present???

Everything I've seen is that it's near 0

RoryMac

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Without wishing to sound a bit mad, but that's open to interpretation, there really should be mandatory supervised quarantine for those entering the country now. But I see our brethren in NI are exempt. Maybe the Brexit Border would have been better after all.

So at the moment there is free access from outside the State, whilst those resident in the State are on lockdown. That must be addressed I think. Oh and I must mention our ethnic minority also, who are above every law ever made in this country also.

While these are far from ideal the issue at present is that the virus has been pushed into the nursing and care homes and is rampant there, it far out ways the issues around people crossing the border or a group of people ignoring the restrictions to attend a funeral.

Tenzor07

appledrop wrote: »

Exactly + meanwhile while 'everyone must stay at home' domestic violence is up 30% according to womens aid + childline is overwhelmed with calls.
But sure its grand staying at home seems to solve everything according to government.

On Prime Time a care home resident said he hasn't seen his wife since february and she's only 150 yards away but is ill, chances are she could die and he'll never see her ever again, his care home has little or no staff, no testing of the staff, no PPE, these are the people I really feel sorry for, to hell with lifting of restrictions, the HSE need to start looking after Care homes..

Tenzor07

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Without wishing to sound a bit mad, but that's open to interpretation, there really should be mandatory supervised quarantine for those entering the country now. But I see our brethren in NI are exempt. Maybe the Brexit Border would have been better after all..

Ship has sailed, community transmission is here and it's high.

Most of the flights are empty and are Irish people returning home anyways.

appledrop

Tenzor07 wrote: »

From what I heard on RTE from Cillian De Gascun, they say that if they let the over 70s out for a couple of hours a day it would mean that others would be under a more severe lockdown.

No indication that the 2k limit will be changed to 5k either, he basically said "We want people to stay at home..."

no f9ckin plan at all..

Exactly + meanwhile while 'everyone must stay at home' domestic violence is up 30% according to womens aid + childline is overwhelmed with calls.

But sure its grand staying at home seems to solve everything according to government.

Spanish Eyes

Without wishing to sound a bit mad, but that's open to interpretation, there really should be mandatory supervised quarantine for those entering the country now. But I see our brethren in NI are exempt. Maybe the Brexit Border would have been better after all.

So at the moment there is free access from outside the State, whilst those resident in the State are on lockdown. That must be addressed I think. Oh and I must mention our ethnic minority also, who are above every law ever made in this country also.

robbiezero

Tenzor07 wrote: »

From what I heard on RTE from Cillian De Gascun, they say that if they let the over 70s out for a couple of hours a day it would mean that others would be under a more severe lockdown.

No indication that the 2k limit will be changed to 5k either, he basically said "We want people to stay at home..."

no f9ckin plan at all..

From what I can see in the last few days, that ship has fairly sailed. Lots of elderly out for strolls around my area. They are very careful with the distancing from what I can see.

Tenzor07

showpony1 wrote: »

what difference is changing the 2km to 5km going to make if you've to not interact with anyone else and only leave for essential trips and exercise? lads in their Lycra cycling a few more kms?

Covid19 is definitely the fault of cyclists!

appledrop

Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: »

Moving 2km to 5km would be pointless. Minimum risk and minimum benefit.

It wouldnt be pointless especially in Dublin. I would have a huge variety of outdoor areas I could bring my child to if I could go 5km from my home.

RoryMac

SNNUS wrote: »

Excellent article in The Irish Times how they are deflecting blame onto Joe public

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955?mode=amp

Very good and fair article, the public have done an amazing job in curving this since mid-March. The fallings have been on the HSE side where they are still struggling to reach the testing targets promised to be in effect before the end of March and their delay in protecting the nursing homes.

Everywhere you go people are taking this very seriously and an attempt to put the blame of the extension of restrictions onto the general public will seriously backfire

SecretsOfEarth

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Totally agree, why would RTE be stupid enough to use an old clip, and how old would it need to be to justify that much close contact when meeting about a pandemic.

On the 9 o'clock news, it was labelled as "file pictures". Bit irresponsible that it wasn't labelled similarly on Six One but at least they rectified it.

Spanish Eyes

Sounds perfectly formed for a total fightback and rebelliousness, (not by me I don't care and will observe the rules).

Then the Gardai flex their notebooks and well, fines galore, you know the rest.

But then there will be a fightback against a so called Police State.

Who can win here?

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Tenzor07 wrote: »

From what I heard on RTE from Cillian De Gascun, they say that if they let the over 70s out for a couple of hours a day it would mean that others would be under a more severe lockdown.

No indication that the 2k limit will be changed to 5k either, he basically said "We want people to stay at home..."

no f9ckin plan at all..

Moving 2km to 5km would be pointless. Minimum risk and minimum benefit.

Gael23

We have kept our side of the bargain but not the AHSE. Mass disobedience will soon begin

showpony1

what difference is changing the 2km to 5km going to make if you've to not interact with anyone else and only leave for essential trips and exercise? lads in their Lycra cycling a few more kms?

Tenzor07

appledrop wrote: »

If they lifted the 2km rule + let over 70s out for brief walk daily I'd be happy. My parents are 5 weeks coconing + it's taking its toll..

From what I heard on RTE from Cillian De Gascun, they say that if they let the over 70s out for a couple of hours a day it would mean that others would be under a more severe lockdown.

No indication that the 2k limit will be changed to 5k either, he basically said "We want people to stay at home..."

no f9ckin plan at all..

bettyoleary

Penfailed wrote: »

Except that doesn't make any sense.

Why dosent it? Buying up huge amounts of beds in private hospitals based on what? hypothetical figures? pointless. Allowing hundreds of Italian rugby fans from a heavily infected region of Italy into Dublin for a match that was cancelled pointless? Allowing nurses to move from one nursing home to another without testing plus family and friends and all in sundry to visit ridiculous. Discharging elderly people back into nursing homes with symptoms and without testing to free up beds that remain empty pointless? The list could go on. A lockdown that is neither here nor there pointless. Bringing in foreign workers when there are plenty of people unemployed in Ireland who could do that work. They have no problem asking people on benefits to clean streets or loose benefits pointless. The list goes on.

showpony1

could be a curveball so people don't go mad at the weekend, with most restrictions lifted on tuesday.

GazzaL

Martin567 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-easing-restrictions-the-state-s-side-of-the-bargain-1.4240385?mode=amp

Really good editorial in the Irish Times also.

The blame for any extension to the lockdown lies firmly with the Government and HSE.

Jayesdiem

I think the lockdown is already lifting in the UK. I read an FT article today that listed all the businesses now open again and it was far more that I had thought. It seems a “soft reboot” is underway and if you think about it, this makes lots of sense. A specific announcement that lockdown has ended would result in mass exodus. Gradual and unpublicised creep of the measures allows for the slow reintroduction of real life without fear of creating large crowds. In that way, I doubt we will have a clear line in the sand that signifies the end of lockdown.

appledrop

SNNUS wrote: »

Excellent article in The Irish Times how they are deflecting blame onto Joe public

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955?mode=amp

This for me sums it all up. People have had enough. Of course we had to lockdown, keep social distancing etc etc but by end of this week we are 7 weeks into this. Every other country is starting in some ways to lift restrictions + give people hope.

We have plenty of space in the hospitials, most of the private hospitials lying empty, we have r0 level below 1. We have meet all the things they asked yet they are still lecturing us.

If they lifted the 2km rule + let over 70s out for brief walk daily I'd be happy. My parents are 5 weeks coconing + it's taking its toll.

This virus is not going anyway so we have to learn to live with it as best we can. How many people are going to die in meantime from non covid related issues such as mental health problems, cancelled surgery for cancer treatment etc.

Sometimes the 'cure' can be worse than the disease.

Martin567

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/the-irish-times-view-on-easing-restrictions-the-state-s-side-of-the-bargain-1.4240385?mode=amp

Really good editorial in the Irish Times also.

Jurgen Klopp

To be honest its looking more like the government here and in the UK are scared ****less of making the wrong move and how it will blowback so they are hoping the public will end it for them that way if things look manageable they'll roll with it and if things go tits up they can blame the public and say ye wouldn't listen

SNNUS

Excellent article in The Irish Times how they are deflecting blame onto Joe public

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/blame-for-expected-extended-lockdown-shifted-onto-the-public-1.4239955?mode=amp

Penfailed

bettyoleary wrote: »

They could but then a lot would argue that the handling of the crisis to date in a lot of ways has been pointless and hypothetical.

Except that doesn't make any sense.

bettyoleary

Penfailed wrote: »

They could get out of that one by saying that it's a pointless hypothetical question that doesn't warrant an answer...

They could but then a lot would argue that the handling of the crisis to date in a lot of ways has been pointless and hypothetical.

normanoffside

rovers_runner wrote: »

In the real world progress is managed by KPI analysis.
What are the actual black and white measurables?

- Amount of PPE to staff (no orders raised until too late)
- Swabs taken (peaks and troughs due to inability to define a case definition scope)
- Tests analysed (Delayed due to peaks in step 2, or redundant due to inaction in care homes)
- Contacts traced (Delayed due to lack of planning in step 1)
- Test turn around times (Delayed due to lack of resources)

So what have the HSE actually got right here?
This isn't taking into account timing based decisions of care home closures, school closures, Cheltenham, Italy Rugby fans, pubs, keeping airports and ports open to commercial travel.

The HSE have been a monumental f*ck up as usual.
First they told us they were going to 'test, test, test' and contact trace everyone with the virus, find it an eliminate it.. we all said 'great idea and everyone bought into it.
Then they cancelled 40,000+ tests because they couldn't keep up.
Then they said we are only testing vulnerable categories.
Then they realised people were 3+ weeks waiting for a test and often 2 months waiting for a result (how many people had the virus already and recovered before they had a test?)
Then they sent sick patients and infected staff into nursing homes without PPE to kill off the elderly and vulnerable
Now they are saying they are going to 'test test test' again but only certain categories of people can get the test, everyone else can fook off and just stay at home.

Anyway now they say that in a few weeks they will be able to test everyone (except anyone who is not dying) and contact trace anyone who has been in close contact with them (i.e. nobody because we haven't been able to go anywhere), but yet it's all the fault of Mary who went to Lidl in the next village or Jimmy who went for a cycle outside of the 2k radius.