Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Bobtheman · 28-04-2020 08:31PM

I heard an announcement will be made this Friday.
We need a road map soon.

coastwatch · 28-04-2020 08:33PM

It nobody's fault, but the virus outbreak is taking a lot longer to "die down".
The number of people in hospital with covid19 or suspected covid19 is still too high, 1066 at 8pm yesterday, and that was up 60 on the previous day. The total is still not far off the peak of around 1200 on 15th April.

It looks like the acute hospital system is currently 50% for Covid 19, and 50% every other illness and treatment.
Hard to see that changing much over the next few days, and painful as the restrictions are for everyone, it would be foolish to risk a flare up again, by making any more than only very minor changes for the next few weeks.

pjohnson · 28-04-2020 08:35PM

cajonlardo wrote: »

You just added a zero to the true figure there.

76 out of hundreds of thousands interactions with the public is proof that the vast majority are adhering to the restrictions

You just confused arrests and offences......

GazzaL · 28-04-2020 08:35PM

There's a lot of "non-essential" businesses ready to open on Tuesday. People haven't been content to just sit on their holes watching Netflix. Businesses have been working behind the scenes, getting more hand sanitiser, PPE, planning on how to manage people's movements and use social distancing. Now Leo and Tony might think they're all very naughty boys and girls, but they're doing a hell of a lot more to protect people and protect jobs than NPHET.

cajonlardo · 28-04-2020 08:35PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The figure was accurate:

My mistake there, apoligies

drunkmonkey · 28-04-2020 08:38PM

https://twitter.com/AftertheBell/status/1254881378698702848?s=20

SNNUS · 28-04-2020 08:39PM

Bobtheman wrote: »

I heard an announcement will be made this Friday.
We need a road map soon.

I'd say the map will be scribbled on the back of a napkin

Down9194 · 28-04-2020 08:40PM

I think FG are happy to keep lockdown going as long as possible as it keeps them in power. They know their pact with FF & Greens is a non starter. Another election shortly after restrictions are lifted is my guess.

What Username Guidelines · 28-04-2020 08:41PM

GazzaL wrote: »

There's a lot of "non-essential" businesses ready to open on Tuesday. People haven't been content to just sit on their holes watching Netflix. Businesses have been working behind the scenes, getting more hand sanitiser, PPE, planning on how to manage people's movements and use social distancing. Now Leo and Tony might think they're all very naughty boys and girls, but they're doing a hell of a lot more to protect people and protect jobs than NPHET.

Any idea what types of businesses? I’ve been happy to see businesses in my area adapt really quickly and smartly and still operate. Hardware deliveries, etc. A cafe that we love moved fully to online and while a bit pricey, it’s nice to get good food delivered to break up the monotony of cheese sambos.

As I said in a previous post I’m lucky to be still working and happy to support any local business that can adapt like this. It would be very helpful if the government could also support them with advice and standards/operating procedures to ensure full safety for them as well.

bettyoleary · 28-04-2020 08:43PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

But look at Spain’s plan. Yes it’s optimistic, and it’s weeks away from even starting, but there is lots of hope in it, with doses of reality. It starts slow but works until June when restaurants will be open, even mentions hotels. Dates and all. Italy’s plan even includes small groups being allowed to visit family.

Even if we just had some hope, and some heavy reality... like phase 1 is X, phase 2 is Y. The reality is those that can work from home, etc, will probably be at home til September, myself included. Yet I’ve people in work talking about being in the office when the restrictions are lifted, thinking it will be soon.

Radio silence from Leo for this long is a joke, with the odd dig to the public that we’re not doing enough.

I’ve been at home since the start of March and count myself lucky I’m still employed and can work from home, and even still I find this infuriating even tho it will make very little difference to me and I’m here for the foreseeable. Can’t imagine the toll on others, even if an announcement doesn’t help everyone immediately, it will at least buy them a bit more patience. I hope. At this stage even if they levelled with everyone and just said we need testing in place before we can make a move. That Irish times article today was spot on, making the nation stay home and then blaming them is bull****.

Leo was on MSN news item this morning advising people not to wear ties. He said they are a risk of infection. I think hes more scared people might start using them as a noose!!! But there will be a vaccine look up the Oxford Vaccine the man in charge is from Dublin and hes very optimistic.

Down9194 · 28-04-2020 08:44PM

coastwatch wrote: »

It nobody's fault, but the virus outbreak is taking a lot longer to "die down".
The number of people in hospital with covid19 or suspected covid19 is still too high, 1066 at 8pm yesterday, and that was up 60 on the previous day. The total is still not far off the peak of around 1200 on 15th April.

It looks like the acute hospital system is currently 50% for Covid 19, and 50% every other illness and treatment.
Hard to see that changing much over the next few days, and painful as the restrictions are for everyone, it would be foolish to risk a flare up again, by making any more than only very minor changes for the next few weeks.

Corrected that for you 50% covid19 50% empty

Tell me how · 28-04-2020 08:45PM

Down9194 wrote: »

I think FG are happy to keep lockdown going as long as possible as it keeps them in power. They know their pact with FF & Greens is a non starter. Another election shortly after restrictions are lifted is my guess.

Yeah, FG really hope to keep pouring money out in emergency payments while the exchequer take has been obliterated. They know that's a sure fire way to gain the trust of the electorate.

GazzaL · 28-04-2020 08:48PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Any idea what types of businesses? I’ve been happy to see businesses in my area adapt really quickly and smartly and still operate. Hardware deliveries, etc. A cafe that we love moved fully to online and while a bit pricey, it’s nice to get good food delivered to break up the monotony of cheese sambos.

As I said in a previous post I’m lucky to be still working and happy to support any local business that can adapt like this. It would be very helpful if the government could also support them with advice and standards/operating procedures to ensure full safety for them as well.

All types of businesses, and I mean that, are trying to make this work in a safe and pragmatic way. Not just for deliveries and collections, but for when they are open to walk-ins from the general public. That's human nature. We're made to achieve things.

alwald · 28-04-2020 08:50PM

It's quite clear at this stage, based on the briefing by Holohan and the medical experts, that the lockdown restrictions will be extended by 2 weeks, unless a u-turn by Varadkar/Harris which is unlikely.
Ramping up testing and being really well prepared for contact tracing are key to avoid a return to the current restrictions.
What we need this Friday is a roadmap on how restrictions will be lifted from the 18th of May all the way to September.
Some posters here, especially the trolls anti restriction brigade, are expecting miracles knowing that there is a worldwide shortage of reagent, swabs and necessary equipment.

LiquidZeb · 28-04-2020 08:50PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

Leo was on MSN news item this morning advising people not to wear ties. He said they are a risk of infection. I think hes more scared people might start using them as a noose!!! But there will be a vaccine look up the Oxford Vaccine the man in charge is from Dublin and hes very optimistic.

If that Oxford team follow through with their vaccine I'll hug every single member. They'd be international heroes.

SusieBlue · 28-04-2020 08:50PM

kenmm wrote: »

Didn't say zero. That might never be possible (or a long time away as no vaccine can be found).

Lockdown strategy is multi pronged. Yes part of that is preparing the health service and acting as a gate to slow things down and stop the system becoming overwhelmed. Part of that also involves ensuring it doesn't thrive and will make sure there isn't as many active cases, meaning it dies down a bit. As this happens, presumably we can start to ease off some of the restrictions, but being mindful that it can flare up at any point (until there is a vaccine). Some restrictions won't be able to be lifted at all until this happens.

I don't believe we are at that stage yet and expect some more of the same into May and possibly the start of June. But it's an ongoing situation and developing all the time.

No, from day one Simon, Leo and Tony H said lockdown would be a temporary measure to limit the spread to flatten the curve to ensure our hospitals don’t become overwhelmed like in Italy & Spain.

They mentioned nothing about doing it to avoid ‘allowing the virus to thrive’, that’s just projection on your part.
Less active cases does not mean it ‘dies down a bit’, it means we are delaying the inevitable because when we start moving more we’ll have more cases, regardless of when we do that.
We can’t pat ourselves on the back because the number of cases are decreasing under the false illusion that it’s ‘dying down’, it isn’t, it’s just temporarily suppressing things.
People can’t and won’t stay locked in their homes indefinitely until we have a vaccine, it’s time to wake up to that fact.

Countries that were hit much harder than we are, who had no time to delay the spread, have already published exit strategies and there is absolutely no reason why we shouldn’t have the same.
It’s the absolute least we can expect from our government after the monumental sacrifices people have gladly made for the greater good of everyone.

Down9194 · 28-04-2020 08:51PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, FG really hope to keep pouring money out in emergency payments while the exchequer take has been obliterated. They know that's a sure fire way to gain the trust of the electorate.

They know their finished anyway they don't give a ****.

gmisk · 28-04-2020 08:54PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

But look at Spain’s plan. Yes it’s optimistic, and it’s weeks away from even starting, but there is lots of hope in it, with doses of reality. It starts slow but works until June when restaurants will be open, even mentions hotels. Dates and all. Italy’s plan even includes small groups being allowed to visit family.

Even if we just had some hope, and some heavy reality... like phase 1 is X, phase 2 is Y. The reality is those that can work from home, etc, will probably be at home til September, myself included. Yet I’ve people in work talking about being in the office when the restrictions are lifted, thinking it will be soon.

Radio silence from Leo for this long is a joke, with the odd dig to the public that we’re not doing enough.

I’ve been at home since the start of March and count myself lucky I’m still employed and can work from home, and even still I find this infuriating even tho it will make very little difference to me and I’m here for the foreseeable. Can’t imagine the toll on others, even if an announcement doesn’t help everyone immediately, it will at least buy them a bit more patience. I hope. At this stage even if they levelled with everyone and just said we need testing in place before we can make a move. That Irish times article today was spot on, making the nation stay home and then blaming them is bull****.

Maybe wait til Friday to see what the plan is?

Poor_old_gill · 28-04-2020 08:56PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, FG really hope to keep pouring money out in emergency payments while the exchequer take has been obliterated. They know that's a sure fire way to gain the trust of the electorate.

Ludicrous conspiracy theories- it’s the shinner way.

Everything is wrong & always will be in their eyes

Jinglejangle69 · 28-04-2020 08:56PM

gmisk wrote: »

Maybe wait til Friday to see what the plan is?

Seems people can't grasp this simple concept.

billyhead · 28-04-2020 08:56PM

If only the 2km rule was relaxed. My elderly folks live 20km away and don't use Skype. I haven't seen them in person for 5 weeks. Can only talk to them over the phone. This poxy virusðŸ˜¡

peasant · 28-04-2020 08:59PM

A very small issue that annoys me also:

FRIDAY

Why does it always have to be Friday...and usually after end of business hours at that?

Thursday would be so much better.
In working terms, Friday evening is just before Monday morning. There are (international) businesses out there with (international) commitments who need to keep their customers informed what's happening with their orders / shipments etc.

Companies having to tell their customers on a continuing basis ...we don't know if we will be able to produce your order next week...we're waiting for an update from our government. We will give you the info as soon as it is too late for anyone to do anything about it...please plan accordingly.

So unprofessional.

/ mini rant

Lux23 · 28-04-2020 08:59PM

I'm not sure what good the 2km thing is doing.

Podge201 · 28-04-2020 09:00PM

Lux23 wrote: »

I'm not sure what good the 2km thing is doing.

You must be trolling

bettyoleary · 28-04-2020 09:00PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

If that Oxford team follow through with their vaccine I'll hug every single member. They'd be international heroes.

They have been working on a vaccine for covid a year before the pandemic but these vaccines arnt profitable and they couldn't get the funding. So, they already have a good headstart. Plus the govt have thrown millions at it now. They will be giving it to a lot more people next week as the ones whove received it already are doing OK. He just hopes community transmission isn't to low in the UK for them to se its efficacy but even if it is he can go to a hot spot somewhere else even in USA. He thinks September it will be ready if it works. PLEASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSE!!!!!

normanoffside · 28-04-2020 09:03PM

I don't want to sound like a 'rebel' but I went into the city centre office today for the first time in 9 weeks (I had been self isolating for 2 weeks before restrictions with suspected case but never got tested/got test cancelled).

Feel much better mentally this evening and will be going back in once a week from now on even if I am not technically 'supposed' to. I have a letter and can have a good excuse as to why i am travelling if stopped.

My office is a small one and no issue maintaining social distance even if everyone was in.
In fact today there was only 1 other person in a 5 story building, never was withing 10 metres of anyone never mind 2.
Basically not allowing me to go into the office once in a while is stupid and a rule I will not be following going forward. I prefer to use common sense over diktats and won't be feeling like a criminal for getting out of the house once in a while.

RugbyLad11 · 28-04-2020 09:06PM

Rodin wrote: »

76 arrests so far for flouting the rules?
Cyclists behaving like there are no rules.

Many people driving to go walking in parks.

Everyone knows there has been more activity this past week. People are making up themselves whether the rules apply to them or not.

76 arrests out of a population of 4.904 million is hardly much haha

lord quackinton · 28-04-2020 09:06PM

martingriff wrote: »

No the point I feel you are missing is not Ireland's, Italy's or Spain's numbers are 100 %, it is they count all deaths (where possible even possible deaths) while the UK only use in hospital deaths.

But why should you care as you said yesterday you do not care how high the deaths or how overwhelm get just release want to make money and look after number 1[

so basically lies, damn lies and statistics.
bend the numbers to give the result you want.

FintanMcluskey · 28-04-2020 09:09PM

Ivan Yates again offered something thats been AWOL in irish journalism and media lately and that was a voice to those who question the viability of two further weeks at the current restriction level's. A voice and opinion thats neither present in decision making or considered in any way relevant in this period of democratic absecence. The media silence is shocking
-Journalists are required to submit questions before press conferences to have subjective answers returned.
-The disgusting gaslighting from Dr Tony. To deflect optics from the care home crisis what does he do?? Blame the people for a lack of compliance, mentioning an increase seismic activity.
-One of the largest ever Gardai undertakings in the state is being orchestrated only to prevent people walking on beaches and local beauty spots. Yet NI residents are free to travel
-Still no transparency regarding the private hospitals, 1700 free beds
But it looks like people will wait until May 20th, with the private hospitals still closed, with no transparency on testing, to be spun some other bulls##it to extend a further 2 weeks. I have no confidence , listening to what's being released today, that the correct decision will be made on May 20th.
This is not a health crisis, this is a leadership crisis

What Username Guidelines · 28-04-2020 09:11PM

billyhead wrote: »

If only the 2km rule was relaxed. My elderly folks live 20km away and don't use Skype. I haven't seen them in person for 5 weeks. Can only talk to them over the phone. This poxy virusðŸ˜¡

You can go visit if you’re bringing them something they need and just stand back safely in the garden. I shop for my parents and drop over with my daughter. Leave bags on their step, hit the doorbell and walk back to the end of their driveway. Have a quick chat with them.

The 2km is only for exercising.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Comments