Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

Thelonious Monk · 28-04-2020 03:36PM

bekker wrote: »

Nothing to do with China, avian flu originated in Bangladesh.

On the general point if you cluster low genetic diversity populations densely you will always get high mortality if susceptible to a pathogen.

I was making the point that these things can happen anywhere including Ireland

podgeandrodge · 28-04-2020 03:41PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in

Measure to help combat coronavirus comes into force in shops and on public transport.

Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against spread of respiratory infection through droplets: a quantitative mechanistic study

We found that most home fabrics substantially block droplets, even as a single layer. With two layers, blocking performance can reach that of surgical mask without significantly compromising breathability. Furthermore, we observed that home fabrics are hydrophilic to varying degrees, and hence soak water. In contrast, medical masks are hydrophobic, and tend to repel water. Incoming droplets are thus soaked and 'held back' by home fabrics, which might offer an as of yet untapped and understudied advantage of home-made cloth masks.

Interesting. The jury is still out though, as it mentions in that article:

"But the decision has drawn scorn from some medical experts, who say non-medical masks will have little effect in stemming the spread of the virus, and could even encourage it, if masks are worn incorrectly."

“Politicians have known for three months that we have this problem, and have not managed to have FFP2 masks (which filter the air and can keep viruses out) produced in Germany or to import them. That is not a problem that it can offload on to the people,” Frank Ulrich Montgomery, the chairman of the World Medical Association, told broadcaster Deutschlandfunk. He said the proper wearing of a mask was complicated. “People are in danger of contaminating themselves if they wear a mask incorrectly,” he said, adding that masks can lead to a false sense of security."

I'm still (though continually open to argument) on the side of - if community transmission is close to zero as stated by Govt, and hardly anyone is wearing masks, then masks in the open air and in a quick shopping expedition don't appear to be that necessary.

podgeandrodge · 28-04-2020 03:41PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Seen in New York

28-04-2020 03:42PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I was making the point that these things can happen anywhere including Ireland

Fair point. We aren't innocent of barbaric meat production markets ourselves. The factory production of living pigs and chickens is not a natural process.

What Username Guidelines · 28-04-2020 03:49PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Interesting. The jury is still out though, as it mentions in that article:

"But the decision has drawn scorn from some medical experts, who say non-medical masks will have little effect in stemming the spread of the virus, and could even encourage it, if masks are worn incorrectly."

“Politicians have known for three months that we have this problem, and have not managed to have FFP2 masks (which filter the air and can keep viruses out) produced in Germany or to import them. That is not a problem that it can offload on to the people,” Frank Ulrich Montgomery, the chairman of the World Medical Association, told broadcaster Deutschlandfunk. He said the proper wearing of a mask was complicated. “People are in danger of contaminating themselves if they wear a mask incorrectly,” he said, adding that masks can lead to a false sense of security."

I'm still (though continually open to argument) on the side of - if community transmission is close to zero as stated by Govt, and hardly anyone is wearing masks, then masks in the open air and in a quick shopping expedition don't appear to be that necessary.

It would need a lot of public education, the benefit I see is that if everyone is encouraged to wear masks when shopping, etc, then there should be less droplets floating about the place than if everyone was breathing openly.

Understand though if people keep touching their masks then they can be rubbing virus over everything the touch, but that should also be limited if people wash their hands or use sanitizer on the way in (which seems to be part of the requirements to re-open shops in europe.)

It will never be perfect I guess, but with proper education and advice, along with light enforcement (no arrests or fines, people will rebel, more no entry to shop without a face covering or mask provided maybe) it should help in some way.

bekker · 28-04-2020 03:54PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I was making the point that these things can happen anywhere including Ireland

Stand corrected. Here viral infection are just a cost of doing business in intensive breeding industries.

Sheepdish1 · 28-04-2020 03:56PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Damn Chinese and their wet markets

https://www.thejournal.ie/egg-shortage-ireland-5086007-Apr2020

Scientists are saying that because of how we treat animals and nature more and more of these viruses will emerge, I wonder where the next one will come from

The is a virus currently going through hens in Ireland.

GooglePlus · 28-04-2020 03:58PM

jibber5000 wrote: »

Youd be surprised at the vast amount of people in Ireland with Vitamin D deficiency

I always thought of the immune system as our defence against colds and flu only, thanks to the numerous cold/flu/multivitamin ads about it growing up.

Had a read into it and it turns out it's our bodies defence against everything, including cancer and Vitamin D plays a huge roll in fighting off DNA damage, that results in so many cancers.

I'm supplementing with 4000 IU of Vitamin D per day, as recommended by the Dr. Rhonda Patrick, who goes into a lot of detail about the benefits of it.

Aging itself is a result of DNA repair breakdown over time and guess what, Vitamin D will slow that process down too.

I started supplementing to prep my immune system for Covid but I'll be continuing to do so well after this Virus Fuks off.

Sheepdish1 · 28-04-2020 04:00PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Exactly. You are of course referring to the people looking to be offended by something. I have been pit and about whilst keeping my distance and taking all necessary precautions. 2km needs to go. It's point blank pointless and always was. I think the government will start to ease restrictions from Sunday and they will ease them more than people think. Certain sectors have to be got back to work.

Enforce mask wearing and carrying a small bottle of sanitizer with you but also stop shops from gouging.

This disease is so mild with the fit and healthy that they should be allowed to operate under the pre lockdown restrictions. Let's cocoon the vulnerable but ensure that there is an economy to return too.

How do people cocoon in houses where there are three generations or houses that are cramped due to poor housing market ?

There are a lot of people living in cramped housing due to housing shortage. How do people who live in these houses cocoon when other people they share with are working etc going to school.

Genuinely wondering how it’s possible

yourdeadwright · 28-04-2020 04:05PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Germans could be fined up to €10,000 as face mask rules brought in

Measure to help combat coronavirus comes into force in shops and on public transport.

Performance of fabrics for home-made masks against spread of respiratory infection through droplets: a quantitative mechanistic study

We found that most home fabrics substantially block droplets, even as a single layer. With two layers, blocking performance can reach that of surgical mask without significantly compromising breathability. Furthermore, we observed that home fabrics are hydrophilic to varying degrees, and hence soak water. In contrast, medical masks are hydrophobic, and tend to repel water. Incoming droplets are thus soaked and 'held back' by home fabrics, which might offer an as of yet untapped and understudied advantage of home-made cloth masks.

Seen in New York

Very Poor..... you'd be going way to fast to read that to be fair if your jogging or cycling ,Letters need to be way bigger,

GooglePlus · 28-04-2020 04:09PM

US2 wrote: »

Aren't most doctors and nurses in uk hospitals from an ethnic minority groups anyway? If the majority of doctors are not white, then the majority of them dieng wont be white.

This virus isnt racist.

The virus doesn't have to be racist to affect some ethnic groups differently.

Ethnicity can determine the bodies reaction to the virus, have an auld look on le Google there. There's plenty of studies.

We're all human but ethnicity does bring differences in physiology and genetics. Facts aren't racist.

xabi · 28-04-2020 04:14PM

US2 wrote: »

Aren't most doctors and nurses in uk hospitals from an ethnic minority groups anyway? If the majority of doctors are not white, then the majority of them dieng wont be white.

This virus isnt racist.

I read earlier that 76% of healthcare workers white, it was in a tweet in response to the same observation that you made.

silverharp · 28-04-2020 04:14PM

ek motor wrote: »

Seems theres a genetic component regarding susceptibility.

its possible but , down the road I guess it would be clearer if Indians in India get off lighter compared to Indians in the UK for example , then we are down to climate and diet as being in the mix as important variables

xabi · 28-04-2020 04:19PM

Russia extends lockdown to May 11th.

Rob A. Bank · 28-04-2020 04:22PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

The virus doesn't have to be racist to affect some ethnic groups differently.

Ethnicity can determine the bodies reaction to the virus, have an auld look on le Google there. There's plenty of studies.

We're all human but ethnicity does bring differences in physiology and genetics. Facts aren't racist.

I heard it mentioned in the USA that ethnic minorities tend to have the lower paid 'hands on' jobs, where it is not possible to work from home.

That may explain some of the increase in morbidity and mortality but obviously further studies are needed.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-04-2020 04:26PM

Uh oh, Florida records 83 deaths so far today.

Already a record toll for the state.

https://twitter.com/langstonitaylor/status/1255155318213967872

Why do I get the impression the state is going to pay a big price for it's governor's decisions.

Sam Russell · 28-04-2020 04:30PM

PixieValentine wrote: »

I'm not meaning to give out about the restrictions being extended or anything, I totally understand what they're doing and why they're there- but one thing I just worry about is, there were so many people this past week relaxing and not obeying them anymore. We saw it talked about in the media, I saw it in my own area too when I was out walking my dog. There was a definite change all this last week. If they extend by two more weeks, I'd be a little worried less and less people are going to listen anymore. I mean, I hope ENOUGH people still will that it'll make the difference that's needed. But yeah... I'd worry.

The virus is invisible. People obeying the lock down and staying cocooned or self isolating are invisible.

However, those holding barbecues, street parties and flagrantly breaking the rules are highly visible. If they number 1% that is possibly OK, but if they get above, say 10%, they make the whole exercise useless. Reports of people turning up in A&E drunk and injured as a result is really beyond reasonable.

It is important that these ******** realise that what they are doing risks a lot of harm to others.

Rob A. Bank · 28-04-2020 04:35PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Interesting. The jury is still out though, as it mentions in that article:

"But the decision has drawn scorn from some medical experts, who say non-medical masks will have little effect in stemming the spread of the virus, and could even encourage it, if masks are worn incorrectly."

“Politicians have known for three months that we have this problem, and have not managed to have FFP2 masks (which filter the air and can keep viruses out) produced in Germany or to import them. That is not a problem that it can offload on to the people,” Frank Ulrich Montgomery, the chairman of the World Medical Association, told broadcaster Deutschlandfunk. He said the proper wearing of a mask was complicated. “People are in danger of contaminating themselves if they wear a mask incorrectly,” he said, adding that masks can lead to a false sense of security."

I'm still (though continually open to argument) on the side of - if community transmission is close to zero as stated by Govt, and hardly anyone is wearing masks, then masks in the open air and in a quick shopping expedition don't appear to be that necessary.

Why do you keep mixing up protection of the individual with the protection of the community from the individual ?

The object of home made masks is NOT to protect the wearer but to protect others, if the wearer is in the presymptomatic stage or is a super spreader.

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 04:37PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Uh oh, Florida records 83 deaths so far today.

Already a record toll for the state.

https://twitter.com/langstonitaylor/status/1255155318213967872

Why do I get the impression the state is going to pay a big price for it's governor's decisions.

You cannot just pick one day of the week. Deaths come from a large number of days, and Tuesday is traditionally a high day for deaths due to the weekend effect. Its more sensible to take the average over a week to see trends. From that graph, deaths appear to have levelled off in the last two weeks. We will see next week what the trend is for this week.

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 04:41PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Why do you keep mixing up protection of the individual with the protection of the community from the individual ?

The object of home made masks is NOT to protect the wearer but to protect others, if the wearer is in the presymptomatic or is a super spreader.

If people wear gloves and a mask and always remove their gloves before removing the mask, the chances of contaminating the mask are minimal and they are definitely a good barrier to prevent infection or infecting others.
It people don't wear gloves though, they are likely to infect their mask. So you really need to wear both.

kilkenny31 · 28-04-2020 04:42PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Uh oh, Florida records 83 deaths so far today.

Already a record toll for the state.

https://twitter.com/langstonitaylor/status/1255155318213967872

Why do I get the impression the state is going to pay a big price for it's governor's decisions.

Can't say that for now. The population of Florida is over 20million. 80 deaths isn't a lot. We've had over 40 on a number of days with a population a 5th of that of Florida.

eagle eye · 28-04-2020 04:46PM

Princess Calla wrote:

Liaise with the local deli.... Email, WhatsApp the order in before 9, either deli deliver or one person from site collects.

That's if you trust that all those involved in the deal are following the rules.

Princess Calla wrote:

It will become a new normal.

I think the newc normal will be packed lunches.

DevilsHaircut · 28-04-2020 04:46PM

Interesting graph showing excess mortality in Europe this week.

Source here https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1255100687953920000

podgeandrodge · 28-04-2020 04:59PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Why do you keep mixing up protection of the individual with the protection of the community from the individual ?

The object of home made masks is NOT to protect the wearer but to protect others, if the wearer is in the presymptomatic stage or is a super spreader.

Fair point. I'm only concerned about myself;)

But community transmission still close to zero without masks.

What Username Guidelines · 28-04-2020 05:03PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Fair point. I'm only concerned about myself;)

But community transmission still close to zero without masks.

This is true but lots of people are in their houses or outdoors and only have limited exposure in supermarkets. When we wanna get people on buses to work and into other non-essential retail they would certainly help. I hope.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-04-2020 05:06PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Can't say that for now. The population of Florida is over 20million. 80 deaths isn't a lot. We've had over 40 on a number of days with a population a 5th of that of Florida.

A: it's only the morning update
B: it's the trend there needs to be watched, not the raw numbers for now

Georgia is another state to watch where decisions have been made that defy all logic.

Rob A. Bank · 28-04-2020 05:11PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Fair point. I'm only concerned about myself;)

But community transmission still close to zero without masks.

...with practically everyone at home and observing the 2 meter rule.

Pray tell... what happens when the restrictions are loosened ?

wakka12 · 28-04-2020 05:13PM

Almost 1 MILLION people have now recovered from COVID

But of course in reality it is many millions

Princess Calla · 28-04-2020 05:14PM

eagle eye wrote: »

That's if you trust that all those involved in the deal are following the rules.

I think the newc normal will be packed lunches.

Well I did mention that the old normal was packed lunches

Fr_Dougal · 28-04-2020 05:15PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Almost 1 MILLION people have now recovered from COVID

But of course in reality it is many millions

And almost a quarter of a million have died.

But of course in reality it is many more.

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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