Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

This is an interesting stat from last week the 20th April.
3rd worse in the world for cases per head of population.
Also out of the 12 countries mentioned we are the only island.

Not good.

owlbethere wrote: »

Other countries are omitting nursing homes. If we didn't include nursing home stats, like some other countries, our position would show up differently on the table.

Deaths are a probably more reliable statistic (perhaps excluding Germany)

RandomName2 wrote: »

Private hospitals and dentists were both pretty much shut down during the lockdown. This seems to have been reasonable to begin with, but there are increasing reports of people with very serious medical conditions who haven't been provided continuity of care (particularly with their consultants). This should probably be sorted out as a matter of urgency.

Yep, or even loosen the lockdown and let the private hospitals fill up. They keep saying there are ~2,000 free beds in acute hospitals, does this include the private hospitals?

Sweden have no overrun hospitals. The public should be trusted to social distance and take precautions everywhere, wear masks, etc. Problem is, the longer this goes on without a plan, the more the trust in government advice plummets so when they do loosen things up people will be less likely to follow the guidelines.

Roger_007 wrote: »

The difference between Sweden and Ireland is that the Swedish government are treating their adult population as adults who, given the proper information, are capable of deciding for themselves what is safe to do and what isn’t. The Irish government on the other hand treats all of its population as children who have to be told what to do.

Yep - and the more it continues, the less compliance we will have when, or if, they start treating the public like adults. It's about bringing people along with them, rather than shoving them along. Build up on that solidarity we had at the start that's dwindling now. It's clear big spikes in numbers in Italy and Spain were from mass gatherings, no one knowing it was circulating, etc. They of course need an 8-9 week lockdown to get a lid on things. Remove mass gatherings, packed pubs, etc, add social distancing, protect the elderly and vulnerable. None of this is easy or will come naturally, it'll be bloody hard for everyone and take trial and error, but instill a little confidence and trust in people and it will go a long way.

I see Germany are using a panel of medics, philosophers, teachers, humanities experts, etc, to guide their way out of lockdown – This is incredibly important in following multiple viewpoints as opposed to just one. Again, it's a very complex situation that requires complex solutions, but it can be done.

There is to be easing of restrictions announced on friday and the plan for each phase of easing.

What is wrong with people?

Isn't that what we want?

Roger_007 wrote: »

The difference between Sweden and Ireland is that the Swedish government are treating their adult population as adults who, given the proper information, are capable of deciding for themselves what is safe to do and what isn’t. The Irish government on the other hand treats all of its population as children who have to be told what to do.

You see the thing is most irish people dont act like adults in situations like this, not comparing us to NZ here but they were in total lockdown their was no chippers or any of that open we were never in a full lockdown we went into a partial lockdown people was still coming and going, getting food takeouts massive ques outside bakeries delis still open. And people will say awh well they need to eat but isnt that what supermarkets are for this country is full of whingers and a full lockdown would never have worked for the majority. Plus theirs still construction works going on theirs a loophole with the permit and people have taking advantage of it. When mcgregor released that video a few weeks back it should have been a total lockdown if it was we would be coming out of it after this weekend, plus when youre health officials are saying the curve has been flattened and their is going to be no peak before any lockdown has ended of course people was going to start to ignore restrictions the amount of movement after they said that was ridiculous.

fritzelly wrote: »

Don't remember seeing this in the thread

Families of health staff who die of coronavirus to get £60,000 payouts


Are we gonna do anything similar here?

It's a decent gesture, I just hate anything that puts a value on human life in such a way.

PixieValentine wrote: »

I'm not meaning to give out about the restrictions being extended or anything, I totally understand what they're doing and why they're there- but one thing I just worry about is, there were so many people this past week relaxing and not obeying them anymore. We saw it talked about in the media, I saw it in my own area too when I was out walking my dog. There was a definite change all this last week. If they extend by two more weeks, I'd be a little worried less and less people are going to listen anymore. I mean, I hope ENOUGH people still will that it'll make the difference that's needed. But yeah... I'd worry.

I think we need more guidance from the HSE as to where community spread is occurring, because people are making their own decisions as to what is safe and what is not.

I personally think the risk of contracting it outside is low, so I have no problem going outside. I think people should be allowed sunbathe in a park. I keep my distance. This is my risk assessment, and lots of others are making the same judgement - it could be wrong.

On the other hand I won't get into a bus, and do my shopping once a week and quickly.

I think a lot of people are thinking the same way, and a blanket #stayathome isn't working anymore.

Cavan has now more cases per 100,000 people than Dublin.

Surely this is to do with its proximity to the border?

Roger_007 wrote: »

The Irish government on the other hand treats all of its population as children who have to be told what to do.

Unfortunately they have to because we have a large portion of morons.

cloudatlas wrote: »

My sister lives in Edinburgh and she says there are more cars on the road people socialising with people outside of the home. I don't think the restrictions were strong enough, I expect there will be surges in U.K cities as people are starting to flout restrictions.

I do wish they'd leave cars out of it as evidence of something. Why do they imagine people have suddenly found somewhere new to go? They do need to a run out after all this time and if you can get onto a major road all better for them.