Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

28-04-2020 02:03PM

https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/1254977111858860033

Interesting article about the virus here.

political analyst · 28-04-2020 02:06PM

christy c wrote: »

Has anyone any idea how Greece has seemingly managed so well? Cases and deaths are very low, possibly partially explained by lower testing and different methods of recording deaths. But that doesn't explain the difference between us surely?

This ITN report might answer your question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m220PqN_KXI&list=PLFXSE3NhAYiZdb2qijJ7uemIB-IAYK5-y&index=33&t=0s

caveat emptor · 28-04-2020 02:11PM

Cavan firmly worst hit in country at this stage. Must be some merit in outbreaks at factory or something. Of course could be the NI day-trippers?

https://twitter.com/RBoydBarrett/status/1255056195729215489?s=20

bettyoleary · 28-04-2020 02:12PM

Danzy wrote: »

There are about 70 vaccines being developed, one if which has a very large Irish contingent in its development.

The poor me, poor us routine is tiring Betty.

Which lab in Ireland are these in Danzy? I wasnt aware of them? I never once said poor me. Im on call for Ireland as a nurse. Doing my duty and will be getting the vaccine as soon as available. Looks like UK are leading the race but you can feel free to wait for yours from somewhere else if you cant bare the thought. Or are you jusr a beer and an on line bully type with some axe to grind and will be there for the UK vaccine too as soon as it comes. Id guess the latter.

bekker · 28-04-2020 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/liamstack/status/1254977111858860033

Interesting article about the virus here.

Reading that article and the associated earlier one should be a prerequisite for posting on COVID-19 boards, it would inform/abort a lot of the more vaccous posts.

froog · 28-04-2020 02:15PM

very depressing news from germany about the increase in infection rate after partial lockdown restrictions, does not bode well.

Kermit.de.frog · 28-04-2020 02:16PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cavan firmly worst hit in country at this stage. Must be some merit in outbreaks at factory or something. Of course could be the NI day-trippers?

https://twitter.com/RBoydBarrett/status/1255056195729215489?s=20

There was mention of a possible 'super spreader' in the border region as an explanation this morning.

There is a problem on the other side of the border though in that they have not been doing the contact tracing or anywhere near the same amount of testing.

We need an all island strategy to come out of this ultimately.

statto25 · 28-04-2020 02:17PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Doctor in Temple Street I know has said that they have also noticed an increased number of COVID positive children admitted with inflammatory disease there in that hospital at least

Forgive me for maybe a daft question but does this mean the original strain has mutated so it can now affect children?

Kermit.de.frog · 28-04-2020 02:18PM

froog wrote: »

very depressing news from germany about the increase in infection rate after partial lockdown restrictions, does not bode well.

The WHO is blue in the face telling countries it is worse to lift restrictions too early and get in to a 'doom loop' of having to reimpose even tougher measures.

US2 · 28-04-2020 02:19PM

Managed to get a loan of the father in laws camper, hes living in Belfast. Off to beach to isolate for the weekend and catch some fish.

DOCARCH · 28-04-2020 02:24PM

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Gynoid · 28-04-2020 02:25PM

bekker wrote: »

Reading that article and the associated earlier one should be a prerequisite for posting on COVID-19 boards, it would inform/abort a lot of the more vaccous posts.

Yes. But read it when feeling in a reasonably stable mood. It is quite...I'm going to say discombobulating.

Longing · 28-04-2020 02:27PM

I don't know why people are blaming the border issue with the increases Cavan. There is a lot of people living in Cavan now are from Dublin and travel to work to Dublin daily.

I don't live to far from the reported outbreak most people there are foreign nationals in that factory. The issue was all the talk in the community at the start of the weekend.

Snow Garden · 28-04-2020 02:28PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cavan firmly worst hit in country at this stage. Must be some merit in outbreaks at factory or something. Of course could be the NI day-trippers?

The guy that run that meat factory is a gangster. Most employees are foreign.

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 02:29PM

Most of us have no problem reading the many extreme stories about covid19, provided it is balanced by the many many stories of those who had next to no side effects from it and/or who were asymptomatic.

It is possible to scaremonger about any illness or even activity and post only worst case scenarios.
The annual flu is fatal to a relatively small number of people.
Driving a car also can lead to fatal consequences in a number of cases.
Flying can lead to accidents.
Hell they even say the home is the most dangerous place of all.

If all we are fed is scaremongering, we would never leave the house again.

Life is a case of balancing risks.

ek motor · 28-04-2020 02:30PM

froog wrote: »

very depressing news from germany about the increase in infection rate after partial lockdown restrictions, does not bode well.

It was inevitable

US2 · 28-04-2020 02:31PM

What date did Germany ease the restrictions?

bush · 28-04-2020 02:31PM

Of course cases will increase when they lift restrictions but what else can we do? Stay at home forever?

What Username Guidelines · 28-04-2020 02:32PM

Interesting modelling from Singapore. But then again, pretty much every model we’ve seen has been way off. Remember seeing one in early April that Italy would hit 0 cases by April 22nd if it kept the lockdown going.

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/

ChikiChiki · 28-04-2020 02:35PM

froog wrote: »

very depressing news from germany about the increase in infection rate after partial lockdown restrictions, does not bode well.

Absolutely huge setback. Cannot be understated as we look to lift ours.

This ****in hoor of a yoke has some outrageous characteristics, no wonder doctors and scientists are perplexed.

s1ippy · 28-04-2020 02:36PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Most of us have no problem reading the many extreme stories about covid19, provided it is balanced by the many many stories of those who had next to no side effects from it and/or who were asymptomatic.

It is possible to scaremonger about any illness or even activity and post only worst case scenarios.
The annual flu is fatal to a relatively small number of people.
Driving a car also can lead to fatal consequences in a number of cases.
Flying can lead to accidents.
Hell they even say the home is the most dangerous place of all.

If all we are fed is scaremongering, we would never leave the house again.

Life is a case of balancing risks.

I can't believe anyone's brain is actually this wrong.

owlbethere · 28-04-2020 02:37PM

bush wrote: »

Of course cases will increase when they lift restrictions but what else can we do? Stay at home forever?

Conditions will have to be right for the easing of restrictions. Case numbers will have to come down. Testing will have to be ramped up with results to come back quickly. None of this bullsh1t waiting weeks. Then contact tracing will work from there. We need all of them or it won't work.

ek motor · 28-04-2020 02:37PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Interesting modelling from Singapore. But then again, pretty much every model we’ve seen has been way off. Remember seeing one in early April that Italy would hit 0 cases by April 22nd if it kept the lockdown going.

https://ddi.sutd.edu.sg/

Absolute rubbish.

owlbethere · 28-04-2020 02:37PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Absolutely huge setback. Cannot be understated as we look to lift ours.

This ****in hoor of a yoke has some outrageous characteristics, no wonder doctors and scientists are perplexed.

What is the recent news from Germany

wakka12 · 28-04-2020 02:38PM

statto25 wrote: »

Forgive me for maybe a daft question but does this mean the original strain has mutated so it can now affect children?

I dont think so. We just still dont know that much about the virus,especially longer term impacts, important to remember that over 95% of the world infections occurred in just the last 4-5 weeks. Thats how new this still is

ek motor · 28-04-2020 02:39PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What is the recent news from Germany

The r0 has increased since restrictions were lifted.

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 02:39PM

Longing wrote: »

I don't know why people are blaming the border issue with the increases Cavan. There is a lot of people living in Cavan now are from Dublin and travel to work to Dublin daily.

I don't live to far from the reported outbreak most people there are foreign nationals in that factory. The issue was all the talk in the community at the start of the weekend.

A lot of people from Leinster counties would travel to Dublin for work too, but most of them are reporting far lower cases than Cavan or Monaghan. Laois, Carlow and Kilkenny have good transport links to Dublin, train or by road, and also counties like Wicklow and Wexford. But they all have far lower cases. I'm not sure if many people are commuting long distances to Dublin these days.

The border thing could be a coincidence. Donegal has a lower number of cases. Cavan and Monaghan would have a large number of foreign workers working in meat and agriculture plants and it may be there is a superspreader.

There needs to be an examination if any cases are coming from the north and if so restrictions should definitely be put in place. We know once cases take hold in the community, nursing homes and care homes follow soon after.

bekker · 28-04-2020 02:39PM

statto25 wrote: »

Forgive me for maybe a daft question but does this mean the original strain has mutated so it can now affect children?

Don't know regarding children but London hospital reporting something similar.

Regarding mutations,

'A couple of days later, in a pre-print paper others questioned, scientists reported finding that the ability of the disease to mutate has been “vastly underestimated” — investigating the disease as it appeared in just 11 patients, they said they found 30 mutations. “The most aggressive strains could generate 270 times as much viral load as the weakest type,” the South China Morning-Post reported. “These strains also killed the cells the fastest.” '

and in an unrelated report,

'Based on early reports, covid-19 appeared to be a standard variety respiratory virus, albeit a very contagious and lethal one with no vaccine and no treatment. But they’ve since become increasingly convinced that covid-19 attacks not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, heart, intestines, liver and brain.'

So it seems it's not impossible that such a mutation could have arisen.

Source https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/we-still-dont-know-how-the-coronavirus-is-killing-us.html

tobefrank321 · 28-04-2020 02:42PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't believe anyone's brain is actually this wrong.

I don't mind going through the logic with you.

Do you accept a large number of covid 19 cases are asymptomatic?

ek motor · 28-04-2020 02:42PM

statto25 wrote: »

Forgive me for maybe a daft question but does this mean the original strain has mutated so it can now affect children?

There are at least 30 different mutations doing the rounds.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.jpost.com/health-science/coronavirus-has-mutated-into-at-least-30-different-strains-new-study-finds-625333/amp

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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