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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #6152
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Are we reporting all deaths correctly? From the start we have been fed a load of lies, we will have X amount tests done, we hope not to reach X amount cases by a certain date, all which were described as nonsense by senior doctors and it continues day on day

    We are reporting all deaths where the patient is covid positive unlike other countries
    As for the tests - we were never prepared to do this amount of testing, the USA is to be commended on the amount they are doing (now). We're too small a country to even have stuff in surplus for things like this that might be used in the normal course of events. Add in the supply chain where you are trying to purchase the reagents, swabs etc and everyone else is trying to buy them - so won't hold that against them


  • #6153
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Wouldn't be putting any faith in any antibody tests being accurate - last I checked the most accurate one was only 60% accurate - not even worth doing, may as well toss a coin
    The UK batch they bought from Ireland was deemed to be even less accurate than that IIRC


    Yeah those are finger prick rubbish

    There a few just instrument based tests went through FDA approval on Friday, and there's a total antibody test being reviewed by FDA due out 1 week in May.


  • #6154
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Yeah those are finger prick rubbish

    There a few just instrument based tests went through FDA approval on Friday, and there's a total antibody test being reviewed by FDA due out 1 week in May.

    Dunno if you saw the Horizon Coronavirus special - there is a test being developed that just requires heat for the reagent, little bit of time and changes colour depending on the +/-. Needs more testing but would be a game changer as its something you could do at home. In the program they did the control test and it was accurate.


  • #6155
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    astrofool wrote: »
    To what end? Blame someone or something, or say we're great at something? Each country is unique in how it's affected and what the response should have been.

    It looks like we're getting on better than our nearest neighbor due to early decision making, but should have put extra measures in place for nursing homes (of course, at the time everything was stretched so thin, this was probably impossible, but Captain Hindsight to the rescue!).

    Our leaders haven't suggested drinking bleach yet, so we're ahead of the world's biggest economy on that one. They also avoided a tub thumping speech about beating the virus, only to be hospitalised by it a few days later, so great at avoiding jingoism as well.

    Nusring Homes easily forgotten about, surely the most vulnerable are cared for first?

    Our leaders have threatened to fine nurses who went on strike due to the state of the Health System just 14 months ago

    Gardai are not inforcing the rules regarding fines etc. Compare amount fines here to the North (and they are in a worse state)

    We are doing better than the UK and USA though alls good


  • #6156
    Minnie Snuggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭Minnie Snuggles


    We cannot compare ourselves to any other country. We have a different population, density of population, likelihood to certain resparitory illnesses, climate, the list is endless.

    BUT

    There is one extra thing we can do, we can wear a mask - not to protect ourselves and families, but to STOP the spread. I don't want to see an easing of the restrictions just yet, this is something we will have to live with for a while, in my opinion.


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  • #6157
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    So what country should we compare ourselves too that are a similar size and routes in etc..



    What does it matter which country you compare Ireland with? there is too many variables that people will use to make excuses for mistakes that could have been avoided.

    Ireland could have been in a good position now but they just failed to take action at a few crucial times and now its struggling to catch up.


    When they had people returning from skiing during the mid term break its likely some were infected, I believe this could have been managed at this point.

    But there was a good heads up and warnings that 4000 Italians were going to the Rugby and when the match was cancelled it was safe to say that was a good indication to close the border to these people simply turn them away due to health crisis. This could have been totally avoided.

    You had the 20,000 people went to Cheltenham, everyone knew it was a risk but were they forced into mandatory isolation for two weeks in a hotel? No they were not.

    That's where Ireland went wrong at the start, its not hindsight there was plenty of foresight but simply no action was taken.


  • #6158
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,147 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Don't remember seeing this in the thread

    Families of health staff who die of coronavirus to get £60,000 payouts


    Are we gonna do anything similar here?


  • #6159
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Here is a very interesting video regarding immunisation and the numbers in the US by 2 specialist doctors. Long video though at 1 hour long.


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/oGVRqleTzzMi/


  • #6160
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Good article, Well worth a read. Did not know about ‘animal passage’ research where viruses are injected into ferrets, allowed to replicate , taken out, then injected into next animal an repeated. By the 10th animal it can pass without need for injection. Not a fringe crazy article.

    Details the academic research and gain of function experiments carried out in Wuhan. The fact many of the first cases not associated with the market. How many incidents have occurred in the past.
    Conclusion is can’t be ruled out.

    Newsweek: The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency updated its assessment of the origin of the novel coronavirus to reflect that it may have been accidentally released from an infectious diseases lab.

    Maybe have your breakfast first though....
    Her scientists penetrated remote caves, swabbing bats' anuses and collecting their excretions.

    https://www.newsweek.com/controversial-wuhan-lab-experiments-that-may-have-started-coronavirus-pandemic-1500503


  • #6161
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Maestro85 wrote: »
    Here is a very interesting video regarding immunisation and the numbers in the US by 2 specialist doctors. Long video though at 1 hour long.


    https://www.bitchute.com/video/oGVRqleTzzMi/

    Can you give us a quick run down ?


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  • #6162
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It seems the Independent has the inside scoop - 2 more weeks they claim. As usual it's a premium article but there's enough at the top to get the gist.
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/lockdown-extended-for-another-two-weeks-for-the-vast-majority-39162734.html


  • #6163
    Hrududu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,712 ✭✭✭Hrududu


    V8 Interceptor wrote: »
    The UK is far more densely populated than us.
    But we're more densely populated than NZ, so why would you compare us to them?

    The population density in Ireland is 72 per Km2 (186 people per mi2).
    The population density in New Zealand is 18 per Km2 (47 people per mi2).


  • #6164
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It seems the Independent has the inside scoop - 2 more weeks they claim. As usual it's a premium article but there's enough at the top to get the gist.
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/lockdown-extended-for-another-two-weeks-for-the-vast-majority-39162734.html

    Any sources or just clickbait?


  • #6165
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    ek motor wrote: »
    Can you give us a quick run down ?




    The numbers don't add up. It models the flu. Strong vocalization for opening the economy.



    Interesting watch( even though I disagree with it) given their use of statistics and experience with viruses.


  • #6166
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,251 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Dunno if you saw the Horizon Coronavirus special - there is a test being developed that just requires heat for the reagent, little bit of time and changes colour depending on the +/-. Needs more testing but would be a game changer as its something you could do at home. In the program they did the control test and it was accurate.

    Sadly I wouldn’t trust the BBC to accurately represent the science on such a politicized issue at the moment. There is a lot of political interference in its editorial boards and I wouldn’t put it past the Tories to instruct them to make a program ‘to give hope’ that these tests are imminent

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • #6167
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Any sources or just clickbait?
    It could well be clikbait. From the little you can read, it seems to be based on what's being discussed, not decisions. Apparently it came up on Newstalk as well.


  • #6168
    silverharp
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    Hrududu wrote: »
    But we're more densely populated than NZ, so why would you compare us to them?

    The population density in Ireland is 72 per Km2 (186 people per mi2).
    The population density in New Zealand is 18 per Km2 (47 people per mi2).

    for this purpose you cant use gross numbers like this , you would need to exclude areas where no one lives, I came across some reference that NZ is more urbanised than Ireland, I havnt fact checked that

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6169
    tigger123
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Sadly I wouldn’t trust the BBC to accurately represent the science on such a politicized issue at the moment. There is a lot of political interference in its editorial boards and I wouldn’t put it past the Tories to instruct them to make a program ‘to give hope’ that these tests are imminent

    Is that why Newsnight has been kicking the sh*te out of the Conservative party for the last few months for their handling of th Covid crisis?


  • #6170
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,016 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Gaurds have announced lots and lots of checkpoints for the bank Holiday weekend ahead.
    Going to be busy on the roads on Wednesday then.


  • #6171
    [Deleted User]
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    Is that why Newsnight has been kicking the sh*te out of the Conservative party for the last few months for their handling of th Covid crisis?

    I haven't seen a UK government minister on Newsnight for ages. Think they are boycotting the programme.


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  • #6172
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    So lockdown to be extended again, I wonder how long populations will just accept this meekly, like in May 2021 when they come out and announce for the 28th time ANOTHER extension, will people just blandly accept it ?


  • #6173
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,429 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Gaurds have announced lots and lots of checkpoints for the bank Holiday weekend ahead.
    Going to be busy on the roads on Wednesday then.

    Checkpoints are starting today....


  • #6174
    flanna01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭flanna01


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    So lockdown to be extended again, I wonder how long populations will just accept this meekly, like in May 2021 when they come out and announce for the 28th time ANOTHER extension, will people just blandly accept it ?


    Most level headed intelligent people understand what the lockdown is for...

    Its not the Government's intention to be party poopers, their intent is to save lives and not overwhelm the hospitals / critical care professionals.

    Easy see you don't work on the front line...


  • #6175
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    flanna01 wrote: »
    Most level headed intelligent people understand what the lockdown is for...

    Its not the Government's intention to be party poopers, their intent is to save lives and not overwhelm the hospitals / critical care professionals.

    Easy see you don't work on the front line...

    Nice little dig to say im thick there ...

    I do understand what the lockdowns are for, but why don't they just be honest and come out and say "lockdown till September" ... done deal.

    Stop this every 2 week extending it crap ...


  • #6176
    Call me Al
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    https://twitter.com/jonkay/status/1253148252733673473?s=20

    David McWilliams linked this tweet and I think it makes for interesting reading albeit lengthy.

    Basic gist once you get past the first few paragraphs is that these superspreaders aren't generally spreading on a one to one basis during casual brief interactions. Rather they're spreading in situations where they are projecting voices and casting spray from their mouth and nose further like loud bars or events with lots of people. He uses one example of a flight attendant in NZ who has tested positive. They contact traced flights he had worked on and nobody had developed the infection. He went to a wedding and that is where he spread the infection.
    It's an interesting piece albeit that it takes awhile to get going.
    The author strongly advocating for masks and social distancing, and if there's further science behind this it could be a way forward.


  • #6177
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It could well be clikbait. From the little you can read, it seems to be based on what's being discussed, not decisions. Apparently it came up on Newstalk as well.


    FROM INDO:

    THE national lockdown will be extended for another two weeks for the vast majority of people when the current quarantine period ends.

    The Government will announce the extension on

    Friday while also outlining a roadmap for lifting social-distancing measures over the coming months.

    <snip>


  • #6178
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    flanna01 wrote: »
    Most level headed intelligent people understand what the lockdown is for...

    Its not the Government's intention to be party poopers, their intent is to save lives and not overwhelm the hospitals / critical care professionals.

    Easy see you don't work on the front line...

    Eh, Hector has been fully locked down at home in Spain for over a month!


  • #6179
    Call me Al
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    So lockdown to be extended again, I wonder how long populations will just accept this meekly, like in May 2021 when they come out and announce for the 28th time ANOTHER extension, will people just blandly accept it ?

    Really?

    You think government don't appreciate that we won't have an economy to go back to if the don't start to lift things soon? That they're completely oblivious to the precarious situation everyone is in right now?
    Do you seriously think that?


  • #6180
    Dexpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭Dexpat


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    Nice little dig to say im thick there ...

    I do understand what the lockdowns are for, but why don't they just be honest and come out and say "lockdown till September" ... done deal.

    Stop this every 2 week extending it crap ...

    I've been reading this thread for ages and this post really sums up what is wrong with it. Yeah everyone wants the situation to end, it's a pain in the arse but no one knows what things are going to be like in two weeks.

    They're certainly not going to announce full restrictions until September, I'm sure things will be somewhat easier by then but it's a day by day evolving situation.

    This constant I want, I want, I want and I want it now, cries from people are really tiresome. Mistakes were made and will still be made in the future but we are doing ok in the overall scheme of things


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  • #6181
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Call me Al wrote: »
    Really?

    You think government don't appreciate that we won't have an economy to go back to if the don't start to lift things soon? That they're completely oblivious to the precarious situation everyone is in right now?
    Do you seriously think that?

    My point is they know this will go on for some months at least, so just be honest about it rather than say another 2 weeks .... another 2 weeks .... another 2 weeks .... another 2 weeks .... another 2 weeks ....


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